Topic: franky1 / tortious interference (Read 4302 times)

Were I a mod, you'd get the scammer tag because everything about your proposal either screams of teenage-level naivete or a very badly put-together scam.

Well, obviously if the (one) moderator who bothered to even respond can't manage to read the threads in chronological order and understand the issue (systematic, baseless attacks, not "questions"), then this forum is officially useless for legitimate business and community projects.  That's probably the reason most legitimate businesses and community projects abandoned it long ago.

Anyone who has been here for longer than a year is well-aware of who likes to troll this forum.  For a while, liberal distribution of scammer tags kept them at bay.  Now, though, it seems that money talks.  The removal of scammer tags inevitably means that this forum will eventually revert back to the "good old days" of ponzi-schemers and various other well-organized criminal groups.

The difference is that, this time, Bitcoin has attracted a much better-funded class of criminals.  Most of you couldn't even recognize the obvious scammers, with names like "nefarious," "malicious," "pirate," "kraken," and "futile".  You won't stand a chance against the ones with names like "Vinnie" and "Donnie".

'Franky1' failed to substantiate a single one of his defamatory claims, yet continued to fabricate new ones long after this was pointed out, and moderator assistance was requested.  His aim and motivation is transparent.  He was never "scammed".  Absolutely no one was scammed.  He was never even in danger of being scammed, since the thread he decided to shit up was not even remotely targeted towards senile, geriatric investors.

Like I said, if the moderators refuse to remove disruptive attack posts, then I have no choice but to remove them myself.  I have a high tolerance for free speech, questions and even attacks, but I'm under no obligation to put up with a continuous barrage of blatantly false accusations from obvious trolls, solely designed to disrupt my projects.  Perhaps the decision of deleting them should reflect poorly upon me, but only to the extent that I continue to try to use this increasingly dysfunctional forum to bootstrap Bitcoin-related projects.

Well, except it'd pretty noteworthy if Bill Gates started trolling bitcointalk.

This. We pride ourselves to delete the least possible conversation/speech here unless it's too distracting and/or pointless. Examples include '+1', 'yeah', etc. (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/forbidding-useless-posts-when-user-has-a-paid-signature-236572)


If anything, the fact that mods getting paid would give the mods an incentive to remove his posts for the sake of racking up activity. I'm not aware of the situation that letting him post questions, albeit harsh and straight, has to do with his wealth at all. For all it's concerned, we would not give a damn between a billionaire trolling or a pauper trolling.

So this forum now has paid moderators, no longer distributes scammer tags, and lets wealthy investors troll with impunity?  No moderator can find the time to comment here?

Something is rotten.

Most of what he posts is inaccurate nonsense.  I've addressed his few valid points.

http://www.meh.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/meh.ro10588.jpg

1. Have you answered Franky1's legitemate Questions ? where ?

If the moderators of this forum have given up completely, no longer distribute scammer tags or ban users, and can't even be bothered to respond to this thread, then don't complain when I use the self-moderation function to rid my threads of obvious trolls.

It's amazing how many proponents of free speech immediately start hating it when they actually get it, being for free speech means that you accept the fact that people will say things you don't like as well as say things you agree with, of course that doesn't necessarily mean you have to listen to it either, it's when you try to silence the other person from speaking publicly that it gets pretty pathetic.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/watchlist-90136

Ground floor!

this post is a post to subscribe to a thread where a crazy person attacks franky for asking valid questions.

The laffocoin potential is immense.

YOU have a project
YOU requested in 2012 300BTC
YOU requested in 2013 3BTC - to meet people to convince them into spending 300BTC

whenever someon asks for funds it is standard practice to ask due diligence questions BEFORE handing over money

yet your response
SIGN a NDA - this alone requires the payee(s) to hand over their personal information to you for you to then write up an NDA for them to sign.
PAY 3BTC
BAY transport

and then and only then will you reveal your personal information.

what a strange man you are asking investors to give you their information and funds BEFORE any due diligence information can be obtained from you.

no wonder no one invested in you in 2012

Further response from me would just be repetitive, and muddy the issue more than it already has been.  Hopefully a moderator will take the time to read the threads and respond.

I will clarify that I have been under the impression that this forum still has some, minimal, form of moderation in order to prevent systemic abuse such as this.  If that is not the case, perhaps a moderator can make that clear and I will refrain from using this forum in the future.  Thanks.

basic due diligence is not "naiveté of this community". it is actually standard and recommended process to follow

benjamindees answer to not wanting to give out basic due diligence information before handing over funds to him is to ask his 30 bootcamp attendee's to first of all hand over 3BTC, reveal their real life information to create NDA's, pay for plane tickets and visit him. and then, only then will he reveal his basic information.

the whole idea of due diligence is to gain basic identifiable information to base trustworthiness BEFORE handing ANY money over.

so on the 3rd different thread trying to get the basic information about HIM and not his secret technologies (which only that should remain under NDA) i will leave this:

again we as a community are not asking for your secret technology. we only seek basic due diligence information about YOU and about how trustworthy YOU are to be handling 3BTC-300BTC BEFORE having to hand over 3BTC

DO NOT TELL US THE SECRET TECHNOLOGY

but please reveal:
1)who you are
2)what your knowledge is in these area's:
a)real estate
b)construction
c)utility companies
d)leadership skills
e)laws and permits required for a,b,c
f)laws and permits revolving around local eco-systems of an island (EG rare species protection)

do not answer/ignore the questions purely on the bases of me.. but on the bases of the whole community that may wish for a bitcoin island to actually exist

This has nothing to do with his questions.  It has to do with his libellous attacks.  His "questions" are something he tacked on after the fact in order to make it seem as though he is just being a cautious investor rather than, as I have pointed out, angling for either complete control of the project (which has never been offered) or sabotaging the project entirely and supporting a competing project.  In fact, I would not be at all surprised if he were, in fact, already supporting a competing project.

I've made it clear under which circumstances (NDA, in person, etc) I am willing to divulge more information.  Answering questions publicly from investors who have made their adverse positions known would only cause the Bitcoin Island project harm.

Once again, I am continually shocked at the naiveté of this community.  These tactics are well-worn in the business world.  'Franky1' is obviously versed in investing, as well as libel and tort laws.  Unfortunately, he seems to feel that he is under no obligation to refrain from this criminal behaviour, for whatever reasons.  Likely because this forum and the Bitcoin community tend to tolerate it.

I made this thread because this issue is bigger than just this one example, or my project.  It is fundamental to Bitcoin.  Printed, fiat money has absolutely no value unless it can be used to gain control of valuable assets.  When this can't be accomplished voluntarily, it is achieved through force.  Independent businesses are scuttled, and those beholden to central banks are supported to take their place.  Fiat money "investors" such as 'franky1' serve this purpose.

If this forum wilfully tolerates such behaviour, I will be forced to join the scores of other reputable community members who have already abandoned it.

The next time you wonder why the real Bitcoin economy is stagnating, I hope you realize that one major reason is that you have invited fiat money-printers and their toady investors to disrupt it at such a fundamental level.

Why won't you answer his questions?

For example, his latest attack post:


Is this really something that the moderators of this site want to stand behind?

Please try reading the original, full comments I linked and not merely his self-selected quotes.  Thanks.