Topic: Free electricity, just the equipment left. (Read 646 times)

During the most peak loads on the power grid, the infrastructure is tested every day If you overload the transformer, the voltage in the power grid will decrease depending on the load growth.
There are few places in cities with good prices for electricity and you are looking for places for mining outside the city, and there are always problems with limits.

No, I do not want to solve any problem, I am just stating an existing fact, those transformers were not hooked up randomly, when the electric company install those transformers they know for sure that even if they were to go full-load their infrastructure would hold up, the short version of this, is not every city is approaching it's full limit of power, many countries have a ton of "idle-power" sitting there doing nothing, you just need to create demand for it and off it goes.

I understand that you want to solve the problem by installing new household transformers, but these transformers do not receive infinite electricity   High voltage cables are connected to other high voltage transformers that produce the required power limit, and when this limit is exceeded, new sources of electricity are required.

What you said is correct, that electricity was not made for mining, it was only made because in the era we have now it is possible to mine to earn money through Bitcoin mining or crypto mining.

We know that it is quite expensive because it will consume high electricity consumption which will be due to the increase in bill consumption every month, for example here in our country the per kwh is quite high here around 0.2$0.23$ which is not practical to a resident here with us.

This isn't a problem everywhere, electrical load is just electrical load, whether it is for mining or powering up a new AC / heater it makes little to no difference, I can personally fire up to 15-20kw of miners where I am staying right now and nothing will happen, many citizens oversize the power infrastructure to account for future expansions, families grow bigger, houses grow bigger, the number of houses increases, the demand for energy is increasing and many things that did not need electricity before -- need it today.

I understand that in many other places, adding 10-20% more load will break things, but that isn't because of mining, it's just because of poor planning by the electric company, long before mining (20 years ago or so) when using split AC become very popular in my city, many transformers started to break, main breakers had issues, wires were heating, and they had to change almost everything to account for those changes.

It makes a huge difference between an average house using 2 ceiling fans, a fridge, a few lights, and a TV (not even 1000w) and a house that uses 2 ACs, 2 water heaters, 2 washing machines, a vacuum cleaner, and what not, just the lifestyle of the people can increase consumption by 500% easily, so ya, old cities that still use the old infrastructure will break if every house added a single S9, whereby a modern city where they calculated the new average based on all the new (everything electric) and added a good 30-40% for future expansion won't have a problem if every house run a miner or two.

In my hometown, some remote houses have their own 100kva transformer just because they are a bit far from the nearest transformer, so instead of running expensive large wires at 240v, they just run the 11kv and drop a transformer a 100kva there, maybe a few years later someone else builds a new house around, so ya, many houses in many cities have access to a few tens of KWs which they could use without breaking a thing.

I wanted to say that this is a problem for all countries, because household power lines and transformers are not designed for mining. When problems arise, the workers of the power company will quickly find violations, otherwise they will have to modernize the power systems at their own expense.

So you are talking about a specific case in a specific country, that makes sense, my previous post was pretty general, the law is different from one country to another.



That's correct, in many cities, the electric infrastructure isn't capable of doing 100% load 24/7, a 1MW transformer that feeds 200 houses with the assumption that the average house needs 2-3kw on average and maybe 5kw at peak, will have a hard time functioning when everyone starts pushing their 5kw as the average load, load rotation is no longer there, so now it isn't 100 houses doing 1kw and 100 houses doing 3kw, it's all of them doing 5kw which was not accounted for by the electric company.

In Russia, it was also not forbidden to mine in houses and use the maximum 15-50 kilowatts per hour that are allowed by the project. This is Irkutsk and the Irkutsk region with very cheap electricity. All increased loads break transformers and cause accidents.
And as soon as you and your neighbors use it, you will understand why other people sometimes hate miners.

I suppose this is just pure speculation on your side, isn't it? because every country's law is different, and what your country defines as a business isn't universal, where I live as long as I don't go past my main breaker capacity (which was set by the provide as an estimate of max home use) I can use that electricity to do whatever I want as long as it's not an illegal activity like growing weed or making drugs and the likes of it.

Now if my miners make a lot of noise and the neighbors complain, that would be a different subject.

Your right i made assumption that the OP would be solo mining
Personally i pool mined for a while and came to realization that the equipment i use and the level of free
solar i can achieve i would skip the $500-$1000 a year i could make and go for solo

Im still learning and should likely shutup and leave ALL  the messaging to legeenndddaaarrryyyy folks like yourself

Even if the state gives a subsidy for consumption of 10 kilowatts per hour to the owner of the house, and the owner of the house consumes only 20% of the maximum limit, this does not allow the owner of the house to use the remaining limits for his business. If this becomes known, the miner will pay fines.

That's a subject of debate, first one need to define what "free" actually means, air is free, and if someone finds a way to extract money from it, it doesn't make it illegal, in some countries electricity is heavily subsidized, cheap to an extent you can call "free" but since energy isn't created out of thin air -- the citizens of those countries pay for it one way or the other either via tax or simply by having the government sell the country resources in exchange for subsidizing electricity.

Imagine you had to pay 10% of your salary and could use all the electricity you want (capped by whatever fuse/breaker the electric company installed), if it's capable of doing 10kw and you are using only 2kw to cool/warm your house, then the remaining 8kw is technically "free" if you use it, if you don't, it just sits there, the term "free" might not fit best in this example, but there is no better and simpler term to use.

Isn't it better to buy some photovoltaic kit from China for a little money than to risk legal consequences, especially in Russia? Although, since you live in Russia, rather with the sun will probably be a problem.

Nobody mentioned solo mining, so please stop with the damn lottery thing, you might find an interesting word to throw it around but it's not it's place here.
OP said it was going to mine, and that's it, leaving aside the legal implications with free energy he will get a profit no matter what, he can easily just join a mining pool with 4-5 miners and that's it unless you have a broken usb miner from 6 years ago that will never be making the minimum withdraw nobody is forcing you to solo mine! Plenty of pools that will accept an S9 and I'm more curious about those that don't (well, except for foundry)


Stop with your spam and with all your alts!

if your doing it to earn some cash , its a tough gig , people out there have petra hashes of
kit running for years without catching a block , thats the first REALITY !

Personally i set up some solar to be in THE BTC lottery , and its been a fantastic learning experience
the stuff i have learned the past 4 months has made it worth it.

by sound of it you aint going to be running multiple petra hashes needed to make income
so its just the lottery factor , and the enjoyment of learning

if you buy a second hand s9 its pretty much plug n play , and if you install a software like
"braiins" you dont need to run it on full power , this is all my suggestion to experiment and learn

and like everyone else has said , if there is any "danger" at all legally from using the free electricity
its likely not worth it , its IMHO certainly not worth it in expectation of financial returns unless
you feel you are a REALLY lucky person :-)

but if you really can use the free lectricity legally , you need to move your headspace to
plugging it in is putting you in the "BTC lottery" , with virtually zero chance of catching a block

Everywhere there are limits, and as long as mining does not consume more than it should, then mining will probably work.
And if other people find out that it is possible to mine in this place without paying for electricity, then they will want to do it too, and this will cause power engineers to look for increased consumption of electricity.

I’m more concerned about the history of this free electricity you’re talking about. I bet it’s something that came out of a government-sanctioned infrastructure like a public school or prison, although the former is more plausible for obvious reasons, and in that regard I think you should ensure first that you won’t get into any trouble using that free electricity for mining.

Asics are loud and you can’t hide them easily cause they are bulky as hell, so when a search warrant’s held against you you can’t do anything about it, plus if you can’t afford paying for your own energy, I think it’s enough a reason not to go through with mining cause I’d assume this will not go on forever and at some point in the future you gotta have to live on your own by yourself, if you can’t sustainably manage your mining rig by then you’re going to have a problem.

The government of your country has thought of you and has provided free electricity in schools so that the students studying in the school can continue their educational activities well. But how do you want to use that free electricity to run your mining operations? You may be thinking that if you use this free electricity system you will have no problem but without your knowledge you are about to take the biggest risk of your life. Because if somehow the government of your country finds out about your activities, then the government of your country can take action against you under various laws, as a result of which you may suffer a lot of harassment later.

This is the right thinking. Morality should be put first. Using the electricity for mining without any explicit permission from the authorities is wrong and not acceptable. No mining community would encourage you. If you really wanted to go into mining, you look getting other alternative source of energy. Put yourself in the shoes of the facility management and do right thing.

I am not sure whether or not what you are planning will be tolerated or is even legal. Did you consult the federal school on this? Or perhaps the people who are the higher ups? I cannot imagine that they are ok with you using the electricity for cryptocurrency mining purposes. I am sure that somebody will notice hundreds or even thousands of dollars worth of electricity being used up for no apparent reason. You should probably do a bit more research on this and perhaps ask around, and even get written permission before you continue. Otherwise you might find yourself in hot water, in a legal sense, quite quickly.