Topic: Free Ross Ulbricht? - page 2. (Read 570 times)

But it's not the same SR. It's a new one since the original one was seized and probably run by other people.

Also, what I don't understand is how did they get those messages?
Did they crack their encryption o.o

The guy is definitely not innocent...
How guilty is he? That question is ultimately moot.
He went against the establishment, threatened their way of life, threatened their control, threatened their power.
For that they made an example of him to make sure no one else would have the hubris to attempt what he did.
He will never, ever, ever, ever, ever walk free.

Yes I just tried looking for it again and he was the SR. I found more documentary about him and that it wasn't actually proven that Ross was DPR. The issue raised was that the prosecution didn't show how they got into the server and such stuff.  This is becoming interesting because I think he has a chance of getting out after all someone after Ross were caught, DPR and SilkRoad continue operating.

I would look at it he is convicted because of his economic ideology and government doesn't want that freemarket and decentralization he started.

That guy wasn't an agent. It was an admin of SR working with the secret agents. Whatch the documentary, you'll understand better.

There was a documentary made for him and how he was caught but an agent who just used google to track frosty down. In the film it was said he put a hit to  a friend who later was found out to be an agent. The sentence however is just too much but I guess there are more crimes that was found out that weren't charged to him.


The agent were just staged as if killed actually. This base on the documentary I saw, I can't remember the title but its in the youtube.

What I don't understand is, if these transcripts are true, why wasn't he accused of  conspiring murder?
The transcripts are cleary stating he paid for murder multiple times.
The guys were blackmailing and scamming him, but it's against the law none the less.

This is going to be a huge reply, which might indicate I am a fan of Ross. Mostly, I am a fan of justice. And, in my opinion, Ross didn't have justice in his trial.

I touched accidentally his case in this topic, but, however, the topic is mostly related to Karpeles, Satoshi and DPR. Nevertheless, everyone should watch the documentary Silk Road Case: The Real, Untold Story, which explains in detail all the unfairness of the trial.

Some outrageous aspects are the following (remember, these are just a small part of them):
- life in prison without parole + 40 years for running a website;
- DPR2 (owner of SR2.0) spends a few days in prison; Ross goes there for life;
- the allegation that the site was used for illegal stuff is the same with accusing (and shutting down) a phone company, because its clients use the phone the settle illicit transactions;
- the defense lawyer was denied by the judge to use clear evidence to protect Ross
- the corrupt DEA agents were never exposed during the trial, in order to not influence the jury
- the jury was not told that based on its decision Ross would face a double life sentence + 40 years
- the data collected from Ross did not follow the legal path in order to obtain and unalter them
- his appeals to the later instances were not allowed; practically, he was not allowed to go to other instances, which could debate not his sentence, but if his trial was fair or not
- during the investigation and also during the trial the agencies sabotaged each other's work
- the 4th and 6th (and maybe others) amendaments of US Constitution were not respected in his trial (the government should not be able to collect Internet traffic information without a warrant / a judge can not sentence someone based on crimes he wasn't convicted of by a jury)
- although the defense had clear evidence (with testimonies) that there were multiple DPRs, the judge denied the evidences
- and so many others.

The decision itself is outrageous: double life sentence + 40 years, without parole. How could anyone in the world execute such a sentence? OK, the 40 years are (maybe) achievable. And also the life sentence. But how about the second life sentence? Is that man supposed to die and come back to life in order to spend a second life in prison?

However, besides the absurdity of the sentence, we can go on to other, non-legal aspects: his move (launching SR) was a profound act of libertarianism and it certainly helped reducing the violence from the streets. His entire life was one with no illegal activities, excepting the one from this trial. This man was sentenced to life in prison after his first wrong step in life.

I also recommend you to watch other SR-related documentaries, such as Deep Web or Silk Road - Drugs, Death And The Dark Web. However, the most important, the one bringing most light over the injustice, is Silk Road Case: The Real, Untold Story.

The (instrumented) judge's problem was not that Ross ran SR. It was a problem of the govern, which wanted to have Ross as an example for what happens when you do not obey to the system. When you seek out freedom and when you dare to have a libertarian, anarchic view. The sentence was for Ross's political views, not for his actions.

Just as i submitted in the poll, i think the sentence is quite correct imo, definitely I never had an interaction with Ross, and I know if anyone did, it'll be just few persons, but this article has quite made me to go through his biography and any perpetrator of those crimes needs to be remanded in prison for as long as possible.

And also the fact that bitcoin was to be used as their currency in this illicit business is another aspect that I was curious about, I know any currency can and has been used for this purpose in the past, but we don't want thieves feeling bitcoin is the most ideal simply because it's hard to trace(i don't like such recognition).

Thanks for that article. A very interesting read. I also wasn't around then and hadn't really followed Ross's story completely. Previously I had seen Ross as someone better than that, kind of an example type for the system with a ultra heavy handed sentence. If this collection of transcripts are accurate, he deserves what he got and more. So would the hells angels person he talked to. Living a simple life is truly so much better than being involved with dirty people and scams.

I ran across an auction in the collectibles board this morning and I found it curious.  The seller is directing all funds to an organisation working to free Ross Ulbricht.

Ulbricht, aka altoid was suspected of being the founder and owner of the darknet site The Silk Road. He was sentenced to two consecutive life terms, plus 40 years without parole.  There's very little chance that he'll ever be a free man again.  The charges for which he was convicted are money laundering, computer hacking, and narcotics trafficking.  Appeals have been filed, but were unsuccessful.

The prosecution attempted to also charge him with conspiracy to commit murder.  One charge of six was filed, but dismissed by the court.  The other charges were never filed.  During some reading I was doing this morning I came across this article from Wired Magazine that chronicles the (alleged) transcripts of DRP's conversation with username Redandwhite.  If the transcripts are accurate, that's pretty damning evidence.

My questions to all of you who are familiar with the story; do you think he deserved the sentence he received?  Do you believe he was set-up?  Do you think he actually tried to hire Hell's Angels to assassinate his adversaries?

I wasn't around in those days, but I find the story fascinating.  I would especially love to hear from those of you who were around, and had interaction with altoid.