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Quote from: Abiky on December 27, 2024, 02:37:04 AM

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More info about the rumors can be found here:

https://www.ccn.com/news/crypto/ftx-sam-bankman-fried-rumored-presidential-pardon/

Not that I'm justifying SBF's actions, but again, I believe in second chances. Same for Do Kwon, and the rest. We'll see what happens in the long run...

So far only source for this is rumors started by conservatives. There are zero reasons for this pardon other than conspiracy theories (which directly contradicts with your idea of Trump possibly pardoning SFB btw).

I honestly don't see that SFB would have been purposely malicious, or knowingly breaking the law. Most likely he was just incompetent dealing with the reserves. He wouldn't have probably ever even gotten caught if CZ wouldn't have tweeted about selling their shares of their of the token. And i am sure that this happens in some other exchanges constantly.

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Quote from: bitgolden on December 25, 2024, 01:02:22 PM

Honestly, it's about how many people were impacted. While I do agree that Ulbricht did worse stuff, it's also true that what he did impacted a lot less people, considering how many people he hurt, it would be very minimal compared to SBF. On the other hand, SBF hurt millions of people, and not even just Americans, globally as well, so that is why the difference is there.

When you are a politician, you calculate ever move in votes, and sometimes what you do is a great help for you to get more votes, and when you do something it might hurt your chances to get more votes. Trump is on his last term, so he may care less, but he still wouldn't want hatred, he would still try to do something that people would not rally against, and SBF hurt not just democrats, he hurt republicans too I am sure.

Well, there are now rumors that Joe Biden himself will issue a presidential pardon to SBF. Can you believe it? I'm not surprised considering that SBF was a huge donor for the Democratic Party. If Biden doesn't pardon him, maybe Trump will? That's a BIG maybe, because we all know Trump doesn't go along with people who's sided with the Democrats. He often avenges his enemies, so chances for SBF getting out of jail early during Trump's administration are slim.

More info about the rumors can be found here:

https://www.ccn.com/news/crypto/ftx-sam-bankman-fried-rumored-presidential-pardon/

Not that I'm justifying SBF's actions, but again, I believe in second chances. Same for Do Kwon, and the rest. We'll see what happens in the long run...

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Quote from: Abiky on December 17, 2024, 01:46:47 PM

I know this sounds absurd, but is there any hope for SBF (Sam Bankman-Fried) being released anytime soon? I'm not justifying SBF's actions. It's just that I've thought maybe SBF could receive a presidential pardon or something similar that would free him from jail (a second chance to do things right). I mean, if Donald Trump will free Ross Ulbricht, why not also free SBF? In the aftermath of SBF's release, what do you think will happen with FTX? How will the crypto industry react?

Just brainstorming here. Would love to know what you think. Thank you.

Why should he be freed? Does the law works based on emotions or pity? What about those whom his actions has sent to sudden grave due to the shock for their loss from his (SBF) actions. If President Trump should ever harbor should thought of granting him a presidential pardon or probably any president after Trump then he/she should know that the pardon could spark public outrage and in extension sound like an encouragement to syndicates of scammers who would believe that if they get caught and jailed they could stand a chance of receiving a presidential pardon somehow. So let SBF be be allowed to serve his time duly.

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Quote from: Abiky on December 24, 2024, 09:32:33 AM

Ross created the marketplace. But items listed there was out of his control. If there's someone we can blame, that would be the users of the platform. Not the owner/creator. Otherwise, Ethereum's Vitalik Buterin would be in trouble too. Especially when Tornado.Cash is built on the ETH blockchain and it's often used by criminals for "money laundering".

With SBF, it's a different story. He intentionally used customer funds for his own benefit. However, I'm one of those people who believes in second chances. If customers are made whole and SBF proves himself worthy of a pardon, I don't see why it can't happen in the first place. Either way, he still has a chance of getting out before the end of his 25 year jail sentence. With good behavior, anything's possible. For now, let's hope President Trump frees Ross Ulbricht. Then we can talk about the rest.

That would be correct, and I am not against drug dealers and murderers who used that platform to spend jail time too, whenever someone does something illegal, they should be jailed. But also, we can't just make it sound so innocent by saying "he just owned the platform, what people bought or sold there wasn't his responsibility" and act as if he wasn't aware.

By that logic, let every website share drug dealers, because websites are not responsible for it, we can start selling drugs on instagram, on tiktok, on facebook, on ebay, wherever we want to and websites should not remove those, let it happen, it is not websites problem, it is the sellers and buyers, government should jail them and allow websites to publish those ads.

Of course not, when something is illegal, and Ulbricht made a website specifically for purposes of marketplace for illegal stuff, he did something illegal himself and that makes sense for him to be jailed and I would hope he would stay in jail for a long time.

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Honestly, it's about how many people were impacted. While I do agree that Ulbricht did worse stuff, it's also true that what he did impacted a lot less people, considering how many people he hurt, it would be very minimal compared to SBF. On the other hand, SBF hurt millions of people, and not even just Americans, globally as well, so that is why the difference is there.

When you are a politician, you calculate ever move in votes, and sometimes what you do is a great help for you to get more votes, and when you do something it might hurt your chances to get more votes. Trump is on his last term, so he may care less, but he still wouldn't want hatred, he would still try to do something that people would not rally against, and SBF hurt not just democrats, he hurt republicans too I am sure.

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Quote from: tygeade on December 22, 2024, 04:11:53 AM

While I agree that he should not receive any pardon, I can also see why people would think he could. I mean I do not think Ross should get out neither, while he did spend 10 years in jail, we are also talking about someone who created a darknet marketplace, while many try to make that a small cute thing where you can buy weed, you need to remember that not only you could buy a lot harder drugs there, you could also hire literally murderers for hire there, mercenaries, which he did try to do himself as well.

So between tax evasion (very important in the eyes of government), trying to hire someone to murder someone else, and creating a place where people could buy and sell deadly drugs, I would say Ross doesn't deserve to get out at all, I would give him life and not take him out. Compared to that, SBF just took peoples money, that's literally it, he never tried to kill anyone, he never tried to allow his website to help you find killers neither, he just took your money, something banks and rich people do all the time, so I would say SBF is more innocent than Ross if you ask me, but that's just my opinion.

Ross created the marketplace. But items listed there was out of his control. If there's someone we can blame, that would be the users of the platform. Not the owner/creator. Otherwise, Ethereum's Vitalik Buterin would be in trouble too. Especially when Tornado.Cash is built on the ETH blockchain and it's often used by criminals for "money laundering".

With SBF, it's a different story. He intentionally used customer funds for his own benefit. However, I'm one of those people who believes in second chances. If customers are made whole and SBF proves himself worthy of a pardon, I don't see why it can't happen in the first place. Either way, he still has a chance of getting out before the end of his 25 year jail sentence. With good behavior, anything's possible. For now, let's hope President Trump frees Ross Ulbricht. Then we can talk about the rest.

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Quote from: Abiky on December 17, 2024, 01:46:47 PM

I know this sounds absurd, but is there any hope for SBF (Sam Bankman-Fried) being released anytime soon? I'm not justifying SBF's actions. It's just that I've thought maybe SBF could receive a presidential pardon or something similar that would free him from jail (a second chance to do things right). I mean, if Donald Trump will free Ross Ulbricht, why not also free SBF? In the aftermath of SBF's release, what do you think will happen with FTX? How will the crypto industry react?

Just brainstorming here. Would love to know what you think. Thank you.

What grounds would he pardon him? Or do you think that only reason would be that he was a crypto CEX CEO?

But as a thought experiment, if he would release him it would be done against his team's advise, because any crypto expert would know that it would immediately backfire as people in his base who have been using cryptos openly hates and blames SBF for the crash.

Trump would probably be fine with releasing him, if he wasn't afraid of the fallback. As in his eyes, SFB didn't do anything wrong. Trump in fact removed reserve safeguards for financial institutions that would prevent these kind of collapses.

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Quote from: moneystery on December 22, 2024, 12:29:56 PM

the crypto industry is growing right now, and if SBF is pardoned it will have a negative effect which will not only affect the crypto industry but also people's trust in trump himself. and in this case SBF was involved in a big scandal that caused billions of dollars in losses and until now it has not been resolved, so giving him a pardon is just stupid. letting him go to jail and keeping him away from the cryptocurrency industry is already a very good thing, there is no need to try to grant him a pardon.

Very good thing. If SBF gets a pardon now, it could act as a motivation sto other people to try something similar if they all think that they can get a pardon too, it would justify them scamming other people. SBF didn't even get a death sentence so that's a very good sentence which is why letting him go this early in his prison time should be frown on.

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the crypto industry is growing right now, and if SBF is pardoned it will have a negative effect which will not only affect the crypto industry but also people's trust in trump himself. and in this case SBF was involved in a big scandal that caused billions of dollars in losses and until now it has not been resolved, so giving him a pardon is just stupid. letting him go to jail and keeping him away from the cryptocurrency industry is already a very good thing, there is no need to try to grant him a pardon.

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Quote from: DeathAngel on December 19, 2024, 02:28:06 PM

No, SBF is not likely to receive a pardon & why would he. The guy absolutely, unequivocally does not deserve one. Maybe he serves a shorter jail term than the one he was sentenced to but no way is he getting out of jail any time soon. It’s a totally different situation to Ross Ulbricht who has been in prison for over 10 years. SBF ruined peoples lives on purpose, he has only just gone to jail. He will be there for a lot longer deservedly so.

While I agree that he should not receive any pardon, I can also see why people would think he could. I mean I do not think Ross should get out neither, while he did spend 10 years in jail, we are also talking about someone who created a darknet marketplace, while many try to make that a small cute thing where you can buy weed, you need to remember that not only you could buy a lot harder drugs there, you could also hire literally murderers for hire there, mercenaries, which he did try to do himself as well.

So between tax evasion (very important in the eyes of government), trying to hire someone to murder someone else, and creating a place where people could buy and sell deadly drugs, I would say Ross doesn't deserve to get out at all, I would give him life and not take him out. Compared to that, SBF just took peoples money, that's literally it, he never tried to kill anyone, he never tried to allow his website to help you find killers neither, he just took your money, something banks and rich people do all the time, so I would say SBF is more innocent than Ross if you ask me, but that's just my opinion.

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Well I do think there is alot of people that should not be in jail right now for some of their crimes. But SBF is not 1 of these people that I do think should be able to get a pardon.
He has only been in jail for less then 1 year. And he is going to serve 25 years in jail. Maybe if he does behave himself and stay out of trouble then in some years he can get a pardon.

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Quote from: coin-investor on December 20, 2024, 08:12:34 AM

Before Trump releases SBF he should consult all those who are affected by SBF action; it will create confusion and hate; its not going to be a popular decision and will drop Trump's popularity.
The message it will relay to people is that it's ok to steal people's money because you will be released eventually because you have a popular personality, so if you're not a popular person and only stole a few thousand, you will have to finish your jail term.

That's true. Maybe a presidential pardon is not worth it. But if SBF behaves, maybe (and that's a BIG maybe) his sentence will be reduced. Besides, SBF was known to be a huge donor for the Democratic Party. Chances of Trump getting him out of jail are pretty slim. It's no secret that Trump himself goes against anyone who is either a democrat or publicly expresses his/her support towards the Democratic Party (vendetta).

I'd wait until President Trump frees Ross Ulbricht to see what happens. Both SBF and Do Kwon will be remembered in history as the biggest crypto scammers of all time. I hope there isn't another disaster similar to the FTX collapse or Terra/LUNA crash in the future. At least, such events allows us to buy crypto at a huge discount. Grin

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Quote from: aioc on December 19, 2024, 09:16:45 AM

Is there a strong call to free SBF I don't think there will be one. If there's one person who people are wishing to rot in jail, it should be SBF,

If ever there are, that might come to the man himself and those people who knew him well. Not only SBF but there are other people out there who disappoint us and we might also wish the same thing happens to them like what happened with SBF.

Quote from: aioc on December 19, 2024, 09:16:45 AM

It will stir up a lot of emotions like frustration and anger if Trump ever thinks of releasing SBF, and he's safe in his prison because people might do him harm if he is released without finishing his jail term. They will take justice into their own hands because freeing him is an injustice for many people.

And then they will regret that they voted Trump because they think that he will do good things.

Actually, it is also not safe inside the cell, as I've heard lots of crimes done inside it and then prisoners are being killed by their co-prisoners. It might also been ordered by the outsiders.

Also when he finished his term and go back in the outside world, the threat might still be there. Anyways, no matter how much anger we feel, it is still wrong to put justice in our hands.

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Quote from: Abiky on December 17, 2024, 01:46:47 PM

I mean, if Donald Trump will free Ross Ulbricht, why not also free SBF? In the aftermath of SBF's release, what do you think will happen with FTX? How will the crypto industry react?

Just brainstorming here. Would love to know what you think. Thank you.

Before Trump releases SBF he should consult all those who are affected by SBF action; it will create confusion and hate; its not going to be a popular decision and will drop Trump's popularity.
The message it will relay to people is that it's ok to steal people's money because you will be released eventually because you have a popular personality, so if you're not a popular person and only stole a few thousand, you will have to finish your jail term.

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Quote from: bettercrypto on December 19, 2024, 10:24:41 AM

If ever a pardon is granted, it could have a negative effect or impact on the president because it has been proven that SBF has committed a major anomaly on many people who were victimized by him. So, I think the President will probably not focus on that for now, just in my opinion.

Instead of prioritizing that, it would be better and more beautiful for him to prioritize for sure the benefits of his constituents who elect him as president and he probably knows
that many are expecting the promises he made about bitcoin.

Yeah. I can imagine. Only good behavior will reduce SBF's jail time. That's his only hope right now. If there's one thing the crypto community has, is that it never forgets malicious actors (scammers/fraudsters, hackers, etc). SBF will be marked forever in history as the "villian" who got away with investors' money. Same as Terra/Luna's Do Kwon.

At least, FTX investors will be made whole again. Maybe Roger Ver (aka Bitcoin Jesus) will be the one who'll receive a presidential pardon from Trump? One can only hope. Let's see if Trump will free Ross Ulbricht as promised. Then we can talk about the rest.

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Quote from: Abiky on December 17, 2024, 01:46:47 PM

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Just brainstorming here. Would love to know what you think. Thank you.

It's still too early in his sentence to be gunning for his release. SBF hurt a lot of people and supposedly caused the death of some of the users that lost all of their life savings and money when FTX fell.

You talked about Ross Ulbricht but forgot to mention that he has been there for almost a decade (if I remember correctly) and SBF has only been there for a couple of months.

This is why we can't have nice things. Let him suffer more — at least 5 years. If you had lost money on FTX, you won't be in a hurry to see him leave the 4 walls of a prison.

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Quote from: EFS on December 17, 2024, 07:59:12 PM

Ross Ulbricht and Sam Bankman-Fried are in a very different situation. I don't think a criminal like Sam Bankman-Fried will ever be pardoned. The 25-year sentence he received is already too little considering the extent of his fraud. Letting people like this go free would undermine faith in the legal system. Besides that, if we look at the political side of things, the chances of Trump letting him go seem zero.

I don't think that Ross Ulbricht's case is less serious than SBF's because he is involved in serious criminal cases, the most important of which is facilitating drug trafficking and several other charges that can be attached, such as forming a gang and money laundering. In addition to his involvement in incitement to murder and paying money for criminal activities for his benefit. These are serious charges and I do not agree with everyone who says that he deserves to be released.

I have read on many occasions that Trump has made promises to respond to calls for a pardon for Ross Ulbricht, but this does not seem realistic because Trump has no legal basis to rely on, including his immunity that does not allow him to interfere in judicial affairs. This was a successful attempt by Donald Trump to rally support from the crypto community in his election campaign, who I do not understand why they are demanding the release of Ross Ulbricht, the founder of the largest and most important drug traffic network at the time.

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SBF? Come on bro. You have been in the crypto scene to know that what Ross Ulbricht was jailed for is completely different from that of SBF. I would rather SBF rots in jail. I know I survived his scam, but I could have been one of the victims since I used his exchange so often

Convicting Ross Ulbricht means even Satoshi could have been convicted if he was ever found. It completely makes no sense, just like the conviction of the Tornado.Cash developer or Julian Assange.

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No, SBF is not likely to receive a pardon & why would he. The guy absolutely, unequivocally does not deserve one. Maybe he serves a shorter jail term than the one he was sentenced to but no way is he getting out of jail any time soon. It’s a totally different situation to Ross Ulbricht who has been in prison for over 10 years. SBF ruined peoples lives on purpose, he has only just gone to jail. He will be there for a lot longer deservedly so.

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Quote from: Abiky on December 17, 2024, 01:46:47 PM

I know this sounds absurd, but is there any hope for SBF (Sam Bankman-Fried) being released anytime soon? I'm not justifying SBF's actions. It's just that I've thought maybe SBF could receive a presidential pardon or something similar that would free him from jail (a second chance to do things right). I mean, if Donald Trump will free Ross Ulbricht, why not also free SBF? In the aftermath of SBF's release, what do you think will happen with FTX? How will the crypto industry react?

Just brainstorming here. Would love to know what you think. Thank you.

If ever a pardon is granted, it could have a negative effect or impact on the president because it has been proven that SBF has committed a major anomaly on many people who were victimized by him. So, I think the President will probably not focus on that for now, just in my opinion.

Instead of prioritizing that, it would be better and more beautiful for him to prioritize for sure the benefits of his constituents who elect him as president and he probably knows
that many are expecting the promises he made about bitcoin.

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