Hey, I found another user with similar behaviour
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cryptomaxsun-805294
His actions are classified as as trust-abusing
Perhaps cryptomaxsun is a paid troll whose goal is to incite hatred between two nations
Topic: freedom of speech is fine, but where is the limit? (Read 409 times)
Hey, I found another user with similar behaviour
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cryptomaxsun-805294
His actions are classified as as trust-abusing
Perhaps cryptomaxsun is a paid troll whose goal is to incite hatred between two nations
Such feedbacks are very inappropriate. At same time it looks like a work of a bot. The repetition is so obvious for all the users. Again, the content does not really make sense. The police will find and kill, does the police kill?
Good that the moderators have deleted the feedback, besides without removing the feedback, I can never take such a feedback seriously. It's somewhat immature and appears frustrating, maybe from a frustrated user.
Good that the moderators have deleted the feedback, besides without removing the feedback, I can never take such a feedback seriously. It's somewhat immature and appears frustrating, maybe from a frustrated user.
Guys, check your trust page now because it looks like admin has decided to remove all negative feedback that interiawp sent to your profile. interiawp is not banned based on bpip, but only its negative feedback is removed by admin.
I think deleting that feedback is a justifiable course of action so scammers really shouldn't be given too much freedom let alone the freedom to abuse trust feedback.
He likely received a temp ban at a minimum. I think deleting that feedback is a justifiable course of action so scammers really shouldn't be given too much freedom let alone the freedom to abuse trust feedback.
The trust he sent was not removed because he is a scammer. The trust was removed because the trust amounted to being spam, and for the reasons I mentioned in my previous post in this thread.
I saw that, although I'm not sure any of the moderators did that. this would be the first time we see deleting feedback by mods or admins. I would rather say that he himself saw that he made a fool of himself by such behaviour, so he decided to delete his feedback.
if there was a reaction from the admin, the ban of this user would be more expected, but maybe I am wrong.
interiawp inactive since February 27th, so I don't think he did. Most likely the admin who removed the feedback from our profile as I could still see it yesterday on my profile. Whoever admin removed that feedback, I really thank you for doing so. The feedback was completely unreasonable and utterly ridiculous from an immoral scammers.if there was a reaction from the admin, the ban of this user would be more expected, but maybe I am wrong.
I don't know if an admin has ever been done before like this, but I can see it now in this case.
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Thanks for telling us about it.
Guys, check your trust page now because it looks like admin has decided to remove all negative feedback that interiawp sent to your profile. interiawp is not banned based on bpip, but only its negative feedback is removed by admin.
I think deleting that feedback is a justifiable course of action so scammers really shouldn't be given too much freedom let alone the freedom to abuse trust feedback.
I think deleting that feedback is a justifiable course of action so scammers really shouldn't be given too much freedom let alone the freedom to abuse trust feedback.
I saw that, although I'm not sure any of the moderators did that. this would be the first time we see deleting feedback by mods or admins. I would rather say that he himself saw that he made a fool of himself by such behaviour, so he decided to delete his feedback.
if there was a reaction from the admin, the ban of this user would be more expected, but maybe I am wrong.
Guys, check your trust page now because it looks like admin has decided to remove all negative feedback that interiawp sent to your profile. interiawp is not banned based on bpip, but only its negative feedback is removed by admin.
I think deleting that feedback is a justifiable course of action so scammers really shouldn't be given too much freedom let alone the freedom to abuse trust feedback.
Trust summary for interiawp
I think deleting that feedback is a justifiable course of action so scammers really shouldn't be given too much freedom let alone the freedom to abuse trust feedback.
Trust summary for interiawp
freedom of speech is fine, but do we need users like this here?
Freedom of speech like every combination of sentence with freedom is totally misunderstood by some individuals. As I understood, there is a trust system on this forum where any user, including newbies like me with no story on this forum, can tag anyone. This is the freedom of speech! But it doesn't mean that I can spread my laws on anyone. I have my own laws, you have your own laws but we shouldn't harm each other and we shouldn't abuse our capabilities because of freedom of speech.
The freedom of speech is even limited at some point but it still is what it means.
If I couldn't give trust to someone on this forum and only certain users would be able to send trust, then this wouldn't be a freedom of speech.
My vote for: We shouldn't allow such speech here!
P.S. In the democratic world, there are always majorities and minorities.
I mean, there is no point of having those feedbacks stay if the forum member has been banned specifically if they violated any of the forum rules.
But unfortunately interiawp has not been banned so far even though in my opinion he has violated two rules at once. Admin can't ban users just for trying to scam or abusing the trust system, but admin can ban them for breaking the rules [begging or threat to kill]. Those two reasons can get interiawp banned, but till now I haven't seen the admin act.That feedback can be removed if the admin has banned that user, but in any case admin and moderator can decide whether the user is guilty or not based on their interpretation.
This is a serious concern. We are bound by a lot of rules and regulations regarding our physical appearance in the real world. If that person makes any inappropriate statements or his words are abusive, you can easily control him. But what about in the non-physical realm? Especially since we're dealing with a decentralized world and this forum is supposed to maintain the same attitude, we're simply running out a solution. It may be possible to come up with a solution soon. While freedom of speech is important, limiting it is only possible in the real world and not in this decentralized setting.
It's a hassle to deal with, but what if the forum appointing a particular team to perform mainly pointed out those nonsense feedback's? It's the same feedback I got, nonsense only. Having expelled him, his distraction from his initial planning then his act of trigger surely damage your reputation (in our minds)
It's a hassle to deal with, but what if the forum appointing a particular team to perform mainly pointed out those nonsense feedback's? It's the same feedback I got, nonsense only. Having expelled him, his distraction from his initial planning then his act of trigger surely damage your reputation (in our minds)
As for these pointless feedbacks, it would definitely make sense that in the case of a perma-ban member who left them, such feedback would be automatically deleted.
This somehow summarizes on where to draw the line on freedom of speech in the forum.
There is a reason on why theymos made trust feedbacks unregulated. While this may be the case, newbies have the power to somehow abuse it by plaguing and spreading fake negative feedbacks that may relatively affect the reputation of a member. But I think the compromise and to remedy this problem is to delete such negative feedbacks if the member received a perma-ban.
I mean, there is no point of having those feedbacks stay if the forum member has been banned specifically if they violated any of the forum rules.
I think that these childish accusations without any references from interiawp should be removable by any DT member
Thermos, can you give relevant rights to Loycev?
Thermos, can you give relevant rights to Loycev?
It's not the first scammer with "wide" and stupid retaliatory feedback. I have my "painting" too, from g.p. and such.
We know that those don't mean anything, but:
* newbies may not know that and may even get a wrong impression about somebody because of this
* lower ranks may be afraid to post real negative feedback because of this
The problem is, on the other hand, that "not regulated" is crystal clear and if admin starts to add exceptions.. he may be opening Pandora's box.
Still... I think that a rule on removing all the trust feedback a banned user does may make sense. In most cases it won't help, still...
We know that those don't mean anything, but:
* newbies may not know that and may even get a wrong impression about somebody because of this
* lower ranks may be afraid to post real negative feedback because of this
The problem is, on the other hand, that "not regulated" is crystal clear and if admin starts to add exceptions.. he may be opening Pandora's box.
Still... I think that a rule on removing all the trust feedback a banned user does may make sense. In most cases it won't help, still...
Freedom of speech doesn't mean we can threaten anyone. It has been added to the unofficial forum rules that some activities should avoid. This means that aren't included freedom of speech. Freedom doesn't mean we can make trouble for others. These feedbacks are nonsense, though it's not a direct death thread it indicates if he found then he would kill. I am not sure how the forum administration will treat it, but I think this feedback should be removed and disabled leaving feedback for that user. Otherwise, he will continue to abuse the feedback/trust system.
I had thought about that feedback before I support the flag DaveF created for those scammers because I thought he would post the same tag to my profile too. I don't think negative tags from immoral users will damage our reputation here, but it's true I don't feel we deserve that bullshit from him. He was too childish to be an immoral scammers.It wasn't free speech for him, but he had abused the trust system by sending feedback at will even with death threats. I'm in favor of removing that negative tag on our profile because it's absolutely bullshit.
You make an excellent point. It would be a nice idea if such feedbacks were removed whenever a user was banned, but what about scammers who would be free if the person who left them negative feedback was banned? Not all banned users are scammers or trust abusers. The second point should always be taken into account.
Perhaps the automatic deletion of feedback should be limited to the starting ranks (Newbie, Jr.Member, Member) because it is unlikely that such users will tag someone for some scam and then get a perma-ban. In addition, trust system settings mean that negative feedback is displayed differently in user profiles - so I wouldn't worry too much about those who would get perma-ban and their feedback would be automatically deleted.
freedom of speech is fine, but do we need users like this here?
As for these pointless feedbacks, it would definitely make sense that in the case of a perma-ban member who left them, such feedback would be automatically deleted.I am not sure how the forum administration will treat it, but I think this feedback should be removed and disabled leaving feedback for that user. Otherwise, he will continue to abuse the feedback/trust system.
We'd have a lot of feedback removal applications on the Meta if the admin started moderating feedbacks. We've seen circumstances when a veteran user left some personal foolish threats feedback without reference to a follow established member. Things like this will continue to happen. obviously some immature kid.
It seems to be truehttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=3357990;sa=showPosts;start=20
Freedom of speech doesn't mean we can threaten anyone. It has been added to the unofficial forum rules that some activities should avoid. This means that aren't included freedom of speech. Freedom doesn't mean we can make trouble for others. These feedbacks are nonsense, though it's not a direct death thread it indicates if he found then he would kill. I am not sure how the forum administration will treat it, but I think this feedback should be removed and disabled leaving feedback for that user. Otherwise, he will continue to abuse the feedback/trust system.
freedom of speech is fine, but do we need users like this here?
Of course we don't need them, but the policy of the forum was determined a long time ago and gave such people too much space under some pretext of "freedom of speech". They know this very well and use this "freedom" to the maximum without any sanctions, except for negative feedback or a flag that means nothing to them anyway. It is paradoxical that because of one plagiarized sentence you can get a perma-ban, and you can steal millions of dollars and still have an active profile with all the privileges.
As for these pointless feedbacks, it would definitely make sense that in the case of a perma-ban member who left them, such feedback would be automatically deleted.
That feedback should probably get removed by the mods if they're willing to do so...
Ordinary mods can't do that, and I'm pretty sure such powers don't have global mods either. Only admins can do such things, and as far as I can remember it has happened maybe once or twice in all these years that I have been on the forum (at least for those cases that were public).
yes, I guess everyone on this forum can recognize such nonsense, I just wonder if that's enough to ban such users. from such people, we cannot expect any constructive participation in the discussion.
First, the forum doesn't moderate scams but the user deserves a negative tag from DT to prevent other users from being scammed. Admin don't ban any users even if they are well-known scammers, but admin may be able to ban users who spread death threats for violating rule No.8.There are several things that might make it banned based unofficial rules and they are:
3. Not trolling
7. Not Begging
If the user violates the above two rules then I think the admin can decide to ban him and delete all the feedback he sent to some users.
The freedom of expression is vital to our ability to convey opinions, convictions, and beliefs, and to meaningfully participate in democracy. The state may, however, 'limit' the freedom of expression on certain grounds, such as national security, public order, public health, and public morals.
So you couldn't say all these things using your own words but instead you wanted to sound smart and just copy/pasted someone else's word. Punishment for plagiarism is ban, unless you can prove that you are behind the original text, which I doubt. The freedom of expression is vital to our ability to convey opinions, convictions, and beliefs, and to meaningfully participate in democracy. The state may, however, ‘limit’ the freedom of expression on certain grounds, such as national security, public order, public health, and public morals
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