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Quote from: ampere on December 24, 2023, 05:19:45 PM

Quote from: temple on December 24, 2023, 05:16:27 PM

But I doubt that PSG would lose their dominance in Ligue 1

I agree with you, i do not think PSG will lose their dominance. Not only do they have a great young squad, they also have an exciting academy which is amongst the best in the league. And do you know the fun fact ?

They equally have the money to spend hugely if they desire so!!

Do you think the fun fact you mentioned did go unnoticed for anyone, considering that they were paying Mbappe, Neymar and Messi at the same time sky high salaries and still were able to invest in more players? Wink

I think everyone is aware about their financial strength.

But wait, you brought up something that caught my attention. Can you back up your statement that they have an academy which is amongst the best in the league? I honestly don't know which young PSG players made it into Ligue 1 or how frequently that happens. Which well known super talents came from that academy?

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Quote from: temple on December 24, 2023, 05:16:27 PM

But I doubt that PSG would lose their dominance in Ligue 1 as they will with a lot of money bring in someone who is on superstar level. That player won't be able to replace Mbappe, but it will probably be enough to preserve their dominating position. The budget for the team is just too high compared to any other team. I know that money isn't everything, but when the difference is simply too big, then money wins. On some rare occasions that dominance may be broken, but on a continuous level that will only happen if other clubs have more funds available.

So far, no other team has spent a lot of money on buying players in the transfer market except PSG and that is why PSG is able to maintain their good performance in Ligue 1. They will continue to be at the top of the standing every season because the PSG owner recruits truly quality players high in every transfer market.
It's true that PSG built their team with money, but they have succeeded in doing that because they have been able to dominate Ligue 1 every season. Other teams need investors in their teams if they want to compete more strongly with PSG because if there are no top players signed to their teams, of course there is no big hope for other teams to break Psg dominance as winners of the Ligue 1 trophy.

Monaco for example, they are the strongest team in Ligue 1 but they are still far behind PSG when compared to the depth of the team strength. Therefore, if PSG loses Mbappe at some point in the future I don't think it will have a bad impact on them because PSG will be ready to look for players who have the best qualities to replace Mbappe if he leaves after his contract ends.

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Quote from: deathcode on December 24, 2023, 11:39:47 AM

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That is actually a good point about comparing PSG to other teams because I think PSG is a rich team they can buy any player or coach they want without any limit like the other teams while a team like Nice can't do that during the next transfer window the winter and this can make a huge gap between PSG and the other team.
As you said if a team wants to start competition with PSG they should invest too much money in their teams and they need rich owners like PSG have.

because rich clubs definitely can bring in players and coaches with good abilities. different from clubs that can only have one or two good players. Of course, it will be difficult to compete with the rich clubs who dominate the league.
but for Nice, they have shown a good improvement in the quality of their game. Even with players below PSG, they can compete and disrupt PSG's dominance in the league. it didn't last long, however PSG had strength.

That's right and it's not just about PSG or some other French teams but you can see that clearly all the teams hey have better financial situations and buy better players can have better results.
You can't ever expect to see a team like Nice can beat PSG in this season normally and win the title at the end of the season because of the better situation PSG got than all other teams in this country unless they invest more.

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Quote from: temple on December 24, 2023, 05:16:27 PM

But I doubt that PSG would lose their dominance in Ligue 1

I agree with you, i do not think PSG will lose their dominance. Not only do they have a great young squad, they also have an exciting academy which is amongst the best in the league. And do you know the fun fact ?

They equally have the money to spend hugely if they desire so!!

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on December 24, 2023, 04:05:39 PM

Quote from: Blitzboy on December 24, 2023, 11:18:58 AM

Hasnt PSG's Ligue 1 domination become predictable? Not fair to Monaco, Nice, or Marseille. However, their spending hasnt led to European success. Losing Messi was disappointing, but their underlying issue is deeper. They're trying to balance domestic dominance and UCL success.

Also, Mbappe. He's PSG's lifeblood. I think PSG would look like other top-tier French teams without him. Who can fill those shoes? No one yet. Its about constructing a cohesive squad, not just buying stars. With the UCL dream looming, Im interested how they'll handle this. PSG needs more than vast cash to handle the rough path ahead.

I agree with you my man. Parisians be dominating for too long now, I'd love to see another club taking them spot but man, nobody be capable of doing this in all.of league 1.
They'll be losing Kylian Mbappe at the end of the season too. More disappointing was seeing Mauricio Pochetino and Gaiter having the likes of Lionel Messi, Kylian Mbappe, Neymar Junior, and Sergio Ramos bit failed to win the Champions League during the short period they was with the club.

They're already struggling, I be wondering what's it gonna be like whed he eventually decides to leave at the end of the season, they'll be without a killer instinct player like him.

But I doubt that PSG would lose their dominance in Ligue 1 as they will with a lot of money bring in someone who is on superstar level. That player won't be able to replace Mbappe, but it will probably be enough to preserve their dominating position. The budget for the team is just too high compared to any other team. I know that money isn't everything, but when the difference is simply too big, then money wins. On some rare occasions that dominance may be broken, but on a continuous level that will only happen if other clubs have more funds available.

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Quote from: deathcode on December 24, 2023, 11:39:47 AM

because rich clubs definitely can bring in players and coaches with good abilities. different from clubs that can only have one or two good players. Of course, it will be difficult to compete with the rich clubs who dominate the league.
but for Nice, they have shown a good improvement in the quality of their game. Even with players below PSG, they can compete and disrupt PSG's dominance in the league. it didn't last long, however PSG had strength.

Sometimes it isn't about how much of players a team was able to buy over the transfer window or how rich a team is as that is only but a factor and not all that is needed for a team to be successful, a team sometimes needs more than just their money and new players to succeed by the end of the season and to continually win matches.

Nice is a very good team and have so far done well in the Ligue 1 this season so far, at a point it did looked like they could possibly win the league title this season. They have proven that with the little players they have developing these players is what's very much important as it has helped them a lot to get to the point where they are now such that if pSG slacks ,they will definitely take over the first position on the table, definitely Nice have got a potential for the title this season but then PSG is still the best team.

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Quote from: Blitzboy on December 24, 2023, 11:18:58 AM

Hasnt PSG's Ligue 1 domination become predictable? Not fair to Monaco, Nice, or Marseille. However, their spending hasnt led to European success. Losing Messi was disappointing, but their underlying issue is deeper. They're trying to balance domestic dominance and UCL success.

Also, Mbappe. He's PSG's lifeblood. I think PSG would look like other top-tier French teams without him. Who can fill those shoes? No one yet. Its about constructing a cohesive squad, not just buying stars. With the UCL dream looming, Im interested how they'll handle this. PSG needs more than vast cash to handle the rough path ahead.

I agree with you my man. Parisians be dominating for too long now, I'd love to see another club taking them spot but man, nobody be capable of doing this in all.of league 1.
They'll be losing Kylian Mbappe at the end of the season too. More disappointing was seeing Mauricio Pochetino and Gaiter having the likes of Lionel Messi, Kylian Mbappe, Neymar Junior, and Sergio Ramos bit failed to win the Champions League during the short period they was with the club.

They're already struggling, I be wondering what's it gonna be like whed he eventually decides to leave at the end of the season, they'll be without a killer instinct player like him.

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Quote from: bering on December 24, 2023, 11:39:42 AM

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After being slumped at the bottom for a long time, Rennes can now return to the top 10 of the standings and their previous victory against Clermont allowed them to set foot on the right path. Rennes is actually one of the strongest teams in Ligue 1, it's just that they experienced a bad start to the season this year which caused them to have to climb from the bottom place. However, Rennes can still provide a good performance and it seems that the competition for the remainder of this season will heat up again with Rennes joining. The gap to the top 4 is still quite manageable considering that there are still many matches that need to be played and also the resilience of the performance of the teams above will definitely experience a decline in the future. I can't wait for more intense competition after this year ends.

Talking about Rennes this team last season was hard to beated especially while playing at home and at that time they were successfully to beat strong teams just like PSG and Monaco even Rennes can able to beat PSG twice last season and Rennes also can managed their position on league standings because they can reach to top 4 two season in a row so they are can be considered as strong team in Ligue 1 and just like i said before why Rennes performance was decline because they were losing some of their important players one of them is Jérémy Doku who moved to Manchester City

Rennes performance was very unstable because sometimes they can performing well but often too Rennes performing poorly and lose from weak teams but at least at Europa League Rennes can successfully to advances to play off matches and they will fight against Milan however i know Rennes position on league standings is still not safe because they only have 3 point difference from the team in the relegation zone but i believe Rennes will be able to bounce back soon and at the end of this season Rennes will not being to relegated

Rennes is currently doing well, to be honest. And they are a little clear from the relegation zone, to be honest. But they are still not clear from the danger and if they don't keep performing well, they are going to find themselves in danger again. They are in the 10th position right now. So I will say that they are pretty safe right now. But it can change at almost any time. 4 wins in 17 matches is not something incredible. Even Nantes got 5 wins you know, a team which is still towards the later part of the table. So I think they should not take things lightly. Rennes got a win and they should look to continue with this good form. They can not afford to be inconsistent.

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Quote from: piebeyb on December 24, 2023, 11:44:32 AM

Quote from: marcous on December 24, 2023, 11:23:40 AM

I agree about the way Madrid manages star players, no player puts himself bigger than the club. I think if Mbappe moves to Madrid, his character will change a lot, and his ego will be easy to manage because he is not the only star who has to be treated like a king who already has all the awards as the best player.

The question mark now is whether Mbappe will really move to Madrid and whether Madrid needs Mbappe, whereas as we can see at the moment Madrid looks quite good, even though they are still lacking several players on the front line as strikers, but to be honest, I'm still not sure about Mbappe. will move there, even though he might move to Madrid, his attitude will definitely change there because he won't feel special anymore like at PSG.

I also want to see how Mbappe can perform in Laliga apart from Ligue 1 which will definitely take time to adapt again because of the differences in leagues and ways of playing, but whatever it is, I'm still not sure he will really move to Madrid because the news often appears on the surface and It's just a rumor that never comes true, and besides, PSG without Mbappe seems hard to imagine

intelligible, that is a very difficult question for anyone to answer, and after seeing a series of scenarios related to the Mbappe transfer saga which is always linked to Madrid, personally I chose to just watch it without wanting to speculate too much about it. Overall, I also agree with you, that Mbappe does not have to move to Madrid, and also the Madrid camp has not officially expressed its intention to recruit Mbappe. Previously, Madrid had even made a statement on its official website saying that there was no agreement whatsoever with Mbappe.

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Quote from: deathcode on December 24, 2023, 11:39:47 AM

because rich clubs definitely can bring in players and coaches with good abilities. different from clubs that can only have one or two good players. Of course, it will be difficult to compete with the rich clubs who dominate the league.
but for Nice, they have shown a good improvement in the quality of their game. Even with players below PSG, they can compete and disrupt PSG's dominance in the league. it didn't last long, however PSG had strength.

Ligue One is a top one and every club keen on motivating and bringing good results. Dominance can only be appreciated by clubs that have quality squad and experienced coach, targeting good momentum and hooking up excellent results. PSG doing quite good in matches and finances expenditure, everything glowing and working smoothly. The club have become one of the formidable clubs that have potentials of exploring the club to good taste. When it comes to finances, there are clubs that are doing exceptional balance.

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Quote from: Salahmu on December 24, 2023, 12:09:18 PM

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PSG currently stand as the best teem so far in the french league this season, no other team currently can really contend well enough with them currently in the Ligue 1. PSG will most likely win the title this season except they drop point so badly that they are unable to get back on their feet of which I'm not expecting such from them any soon.

PSG performance on this French league 1 is very impressive and they have the highest performance on this season league because they have a very clean record because there last 14 matches on this French league 1 has been very impressive because out of the 14 matches they have played they won 10 matches which is a very good performance so actually I'm very confident that the possibility of PSG to win this league is very certain on less they are no longer in a good shape but if they continue with there pattern of play the chances of wining the league trophy will be certain.

There next match against Toulouse will also be an interesting match for them because with the performance of PSG Toulouse are no matched for them and the match is even more advantage for PSG because Toulouse is coming to there home so there is every likelihood that Toulouse will not take PSG much of a time to win.

I don't think it is actually going to be interesting at all, to be honest. Because PSG is actually a better team, and they are also in better form right now. Actually far better compared to Toulouse is in right now. So there is no way they will be able to beat PSG. if that somehow ends up happening, it is gonna be a really stupid performance from PSG. I don't think Toulouse actually has a chance in this match, to be honest.

In Ligue 1 PSG should not have any problems, to be honest. Even when compared to every other team in the competition. So I do not think PSG actually has anything to worry about. But of course, they still have to be careful.

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In fact, this star player's ego problem occurred when Real Madrid built the first generation of Los Galacticos where they brought in many world class stars in the hope that they would become a very strong team. But in reality it's not like that. Lots of star players means there will be lots of egos for the coach to manage. And I see that PSG seems to be experiencing the same thing. I agree that there are no players as great as Mbappe there, but other star players will of course cause jealousy among the players.

The team's special treatment towards Mbappe which was too excessive of course made the other players not like this.
I think PSG is too eager to keep Mbappe so they will do everything they can and that is a big mistake, in a football team it is not just one player who is able to change the situation but there must be chemistry between players in all lines to be able to carry out a team performance the good one.

Real Madrid is different now, they are the best team in the world and they have never placed any top players beyond the size of their team so star players would prefer to play for Real Madrid because this team is more than anything.

Yes, Mbappe is getting too much treatment and it is causing problems not only for the player, but also for the club itself. I totally understand that when they want to keep a player, they will do everything they can, but what Paris Saint Germain have done this time is beyond the limit, and it makes the player become arrogant.
Mbape himself is actually now more able to control himself and that must be done. Because if he leaves Paris Saint Germain still carrying his attitude then it could be something bad for him too. For example, when he has a strict coach, it will endanger his own position because the coach may dare to make him only on the bench.

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Quote from: Weawant on December 24, 2023, 10:22:50 AM

PSG currently stand as the best teem so far in the french league this season, no other team currently can really contend well enough with them currently in the Ligue 1. PSG will most likely win the title this season except they drop point so badly that they are unable to get back on their feet of which I'm not expecting such from them any soon.

PSG performance on this French league 1 is very impressive and they have the highest performance on this season league because they have a very clean record because there last 14 matches on this French league 1 has been very impressive because out of the 14 matches they have played they won 10 matches which is a very good performance so actually I'm very confident that the possibility of PSG to win this league is very certain on less they are no longer in a good shape but if they continue with there pattern of play the chances of wining the league trophy will be certain.

There next match against Toulouse will also be an interesting match for them because with the performance of PSG Toulouse are no matched for them and the match is even more advantage for PSG because Toulouse is coming to there home so there is every likelihood that Toulouse will not take PSG much of a time to win.

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Quote from: deathcode on December 24, 2023, 11:39:47 AM

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That is actually a good point about comparing PSG to other teams because I think PSG is a rich team they can buy any player or coach they want without any limit like the other teams while a team like Nice can't do that during the next transfer window the winter and this can make a huge gap between PSG and the other team.
As you said if a team wants to start competition with PSG they should invest too much money in their teams and they need rich owners like PSG have.

because rich clubs definitely can bring in players and coaches with good abilities. different from clubs that can only have one or two good players. Of course, it will be difficult to compete with the rich clubs who dominate the league.
but for Nice, they have shown a good improvement in the quality of their game. Even with players below PSG, they can compete and disrupt PSG's dominance in the league. it didn't last long, however PSG had strength.

Although money has a big influence to make the team have good dominance but yes, I think sometimes rich teams also fail to get good results. After all, the fact is that at the beginning of the season PSG also did not have good results, but over time PSG managed to recover. Therefore, then I think money is not the main factor to be able to make the team good, but about the right management that will have a big impact on the team's performance.

After all, we also often get when mediocre teams sometimes manage to compete at the top with other top teams. At least, with such events being evidence when the team has good management then yes, of course the team will also get good results too. So in cases like this, I personally don't really care about money, because the reality is that PSG also sometimes loses by mediocre teams.

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Quote from: piebeyb on December 24, 2023, 11:44:32 AM

The question mark now is whether Mbappe will really move to Madrid and whether Madrid needs Mbappe, whereas as we can see at the moment Madrid looks quite good, even though they are still lacking several players on the front line as strikers, but to be honest, I'm still not sure about Mbappe. will move there, even though he might move to Madrid, his attitude will definitely change there because he won't feel special anymore like at PSG.

Mbappe's movement to Real Madrid will be subjected to his attitude and Madrid's management decision because if we remember, the management were angry at the player during the transfer summer because he gave the hope of joining them, but letter disappoint them; but since the management are after the strength of the squad, I think the can still accept him for betterment of the team because he is a world class player.

He will not be a special player in Real Madrid's team because the team have important players, so he will not be a special player in the squad, only his performance will give him good recognition.

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I also want to see how Mbappe can perform in Laliga apart from Ligue 1 which will definitely take time to adapt again because of the differences in leagues and ways of playing, but whatever it is, I'm still not sure he will really move to Madrid because the news often appears on the surface and It's just a rumor that never comes true, and besides, PSG without Mbappe seems hard to imagine

He will adapt to Laliga's style of play because the Leagues have similar features, and provided he is a world class winger, he will not have any problem and will adapt quickly to the team playing pattern since their pattern is similar to PSG's pattern.
PSG will have to suffer for a while before they can get perfect replacement for Mbappe if they sold him out to Real Madrid, even though it is not yet certain.

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Quote from: marcous on December 24, 2023, 11:23:40 AM

I agree about the way Madrid manages star players, no player puts himself bigger than the club. I think if Mbappe moves to Madrid, his character will change a lot, and his ego will be easy to manage because he is not the only star who has to be treated like a king who already has all the awards as the best player.

The question mark now is whether Mbappe will really move to Madrid and whether Madrid needs Mbappe, whereas as we can see at the moment Madrid looks quite good, even though they are still lacking several players on the front line as strikers, but to be honest, I'm still not sure about Mbappe. will move there, even though he might move to Madrid, his attitude will definitely change there because he won't feel special anymore like at PSG.

I also want to see how Mbappe can perform in Laliga apart from Ligue 1 which will definitely take time to adapt again because of the differences in leagues and ways of playing, but whatever it is, I'm still not sure he will really move to Madrid because the news often appears on the surface and It's just a rumor that never comes true, and besides, PSG without Mbappe seems hard to imagine

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on December 24, 2023, 11:28:21 AM

That is actually a good point about comparing PSG to other teams because I think PSG is a rich team they can buy any player or coach they want without any limit like the other teams while a team like Nice can't do that during the next transfer window the winter and this can make a huge gap between PSG and the other team.
As you said if a team wants to start competition with PSG they should invest too much money in their teams and they need rich owners like PSG have.

because rich clubs definitely can bring in players and coaches with good abilities. different from clubs that can only have one or two good players. Of course, it will be difficult to compete with the rich clubs who dominate the league.
but for Nice, they have shown a good improvement in the quality of their game. Even with players below PSG, they can compete and disrupt PSG's dominance in the league. it didn't last long, however PSG had strength.

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Quote from: rendravolt on December 24, 2023, 10:49:25 AM

After being slumped at the bottom for a long time, Rennes can now return to the top 10 of the standings and their previous victory against Clermont allowed them to set foot on the right path. Rennes is actually one of the strongest teams in Ligue 1, it's just that they experienced a bad start to the season this year which caused them to have to climb from the bottom place. However, Rennes can still provide a good performance and it seems that the competition for the remainder of this season will heat up again with Rennes joining. The gap to the top 4 is still quite manageable considering that there are still many matches that need to be played and also the resilience of the performance of the teams above will definitely experience a decline in the future. I can't wait for more intense competition after this year ends.

Talking about Rennes this team last season was hard to beated especially while playing at home and at that time they were successfully to beat strong teams just like PSG and Monaco even Rennes can able to beat PSG twice last season and Rennes also can managed their position on league standings because they can reach to top 4 two season in a row so they are can be considered as strong team in Ligue 1 and just like i said before why Rennes performance was decline because they were losing some of their important players one of them is Jérémy Doku who moved to Manchester City

Rennes performance was very unstable because sometimes they can performing well but often too Rennes performing poorly and lose from weak teams but at least at Europa League Rennes can successfully to advances to play off matches and they will fight against Milan however i know Rennes position on league standings is still not safe because they only have 3 point difference from the team in the relegation zone but i believe Rennes will be able to bounce back soon and at the end of this season Rennes will not being to relegated

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I think PSG will keep focusing on the Champions League, where they're starving for triumph. Domestically, they focus on consistency and keeping important players fit for European contests. Nice and the others use it to assess reality, regroup, and improve consistency. The true battle is for second, with PSG likely to win unless something extraordinary happens.

because basically, PSG shouldn't have tough competitors in the French League. Even though several clubs are trying to reach them and perhaps PSG's performance has declined quite a bit, they are still at the top of the standings. We can say that the competition in the French league is not as strong as in other leagues. That's why they have a lot of opportunities to focus more on the Champions League as needed. but what happens is not that easy. because they almost didn't qualify for the previous group phase, almost no. But ultimately they were able to qualify thanks to their victory in the last match which incidentally was certainly very tense. And next, PSG will also play Real Sociedad, so it shouldn't be that difficult if they can really optimize. .

If a club wants to compete with PSG on a fair level, any club would have to invest at least 300 - 400 million to buy new players. Given what the transfer prices are these days, that amount is probably still not enough. The PSG squad is so much more worse that it would be embarrassing if PSG ever fails to win the title. The difference between the clubs is so huge that money does indeed count here. I wouldn't say this if PSG was worth 100 million more because they have Mbappe, but the whole team is extremely far away from all of the other clubs. The Ligue 1 title is an obligation for them.

That is actually a good point about comparing PSG to other teams because I think PSG is a rich team they can buy any player or coach they want without any limit like the other teams while a team like Nice can't do that during the next transfer window the winter and this can make a huge gap between PSG and the other team.
As you said if a team wants to start competition with PSG they should invest too much money in their teams and they need rich owners like PSG have.

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They still often have internal problems, especially between players. Having a lot of star players has its own risks, because usually players who are considered stars will have very high egos and they already feel that is the case when some star players who are currently no longer part of them.
One more thing, privileging a player will definitely cause a sense of jealousy between players and I think they have also felt that too, so they should learn from experience.

In fact, this star player's ego problem occurred when Real Madrid built the first generation of Los Galacticos where they brought in many world class stars in the hope that they would become a very strong team. But in reality it's not like that. Lots of star players means there will be lots of egos for the coach to manage. And I see that PSG seems to be experiencing the same thing. I agree that there are no players as great as Mbappe there, but other star players will of course cause jealousy among the players.

The team's special treatment towards Mbappe which was too excessive of course made the other players not like this.
I think PSG is too eager to keep Mbappe so they will do everything they can and that is a big mistake, in a football team it is not just one player who is able to change the situation but there must be chemistry between players in all lines to be able to carry out a team performance the good one.

Real Madrid is different now, they are the best team in the world and they have never placed any top players beyond the size of their team so star players would prefer to play for Real Madrid because this team is more than anything.

That's right, PSG management special treatment of Mbappe created a gap within the team, indeed Mbappe is one of the best at the moment and that cannot be denied. His presence can make a difference, but on the other hand forcing him to stay is not a wise way, because it has the potential to make the club's bargaining value smaller in the eyes of star players.

Apart from that, who knows, releasing Mabppe will make PSG better, because it reduces one of the biggest egos in the dressing room. The contribution of other players becomes more visible, gets fair treatment, and the spotlight as a good player does not always focus on Mbappe alone. In a narrower sense, the presence of star players sometimes makes things easier, but often makes the club worse and less stable.

I agree about the way Madrid manages star players, no player puts himself bigger than the club. I think if Mbappe moves to Madrid, his character will change a lot, and his ego will be easy to manage because he is not the only star who has to be treated like a king who already has all the awards as the best player.

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