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In the English Premier league we say its competitive because one club cannot win the league for 10 years back to back. But in the French league we say PSG is not a good club that is why they cant win the league 10 straight years. Why cant we also say its a competitive league that's why PSG cant win it that way.

PSG has not lived up to expectation since the takeover, but we cant judge them solely by their failures in the champions league. How long did it take Manchester City, spearheaded by the best coach in the world to win a champions league?
The league can never be worthless, however you look at it.
well, now we try to think about this problem slowly. didn't PSG already have the best players last season like Mbappe, Messi, Neymar but they still failed to get a trophy in the UCL. is this the coach's fault or is it just the players who are less consistent in every match.
I always think about this because PSG is not short of great players but they failed to compete in the champions league while Man City were able to get the UCL trophy after the good contribution of their mainstay player Haaland.

or can we blame the coach who failed to bring PSG success to win the title in the champions league? but it's hard to blame the PSG coach because Galtier is one of the best coaches and has a good experience here.
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It is very difficult to find players like Messi and Ronaldo whose abilities are beyond doubt. And I think that instead of looking for the star player they want, it's better for them to make it themselves, or in other words they look for young players, both from their academy and from anywhere, and they create it, like Borussia Dortmund did for example. I don't deny that having star players while they can pay for them is not a problem, but there are things that are more important in my opinion, namely when they can have a solid squad and good teamwork. Even though there may not be any players who really stand out, if their team play is great then it will bring an achievement.
That's better but very difficult to do in the French league because as we all know to make the best players yourself it doesn't just take a little time and it will require very good coaches here and it takes a lot of money to facilitate young players to become the best players.
Even though in the French league it is difficult to build the best players and prefer to buy reliable players like Ronaldo and Messi because the very rich finances in several French leagues choose to buy rather than make their own reliable players because it will only waste time.
This was all caused because the clubs in the French league wanted to have the big league title, so they preferred a short time to spend a lot of money to achieve their dreams, but all failed.
I wouldn't say it was easy, but if they didn't try to do it I wouldn't say it was difficult. How do we know they will be successful or not with a youth player coaching program or looking for young players who have great potential that they can develop. I don't even remember or have ever seen any young players emerge from Ligue 1 in general, particularly from Paris Saint Germain.
I say they should give it a try, even though they may not see the results in 1, 2 or 3 years, they will know 5 or 10 years from when they started the program.



It is very difficult to find players like Messi and Ronaldo whose abilities are beyond doubt. And I think that instead of looking for the star player they want, it's better for them to make it themselves, or in other words they look for young players, both from their academy and from anywhere, and they create it, like Borussia Dortmund did for example. I don't deny that having star players while they can pay for them is not a problem, but there are things that are more important in my opinion, namely when they can have a solid squad and good teamwork. Even though there may not be any players who really stand out, if their team play is great then it will bring an achievement.

By the way, Real Madrid bought 16-year-old Andrik for 70 million (this is the total amount with bonuses) - this is more expensive than Neymar and Bellingham were bought at one time. Until the age of 18, he will continue to play in Palmeiras, and then move to Real Madrid. It is obvious that Real believes that they found (although everyone was talking about him) a new generation star and were able to buy it in advance. I'm not from Brazil, so I just heard about him recently, but the fact is that potential (or already active young) stars are searched for and identified very early.
Yes, not only 1 or 2 times Real Madrid did that, they tried to invest in young players even though there was no guarantee that the players they invested would experience good or bad development. And Real Madrid also often fail with their young players, even when the mature players they bring in in the transfer market are not all successful, and that is normal in football. But what I want to emphasize here is how they dare to take risks and even when failure is very acceptable to them. They had already considered this, so they were prepared for something bad that awaited them ahead.
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I can't say that league title is actually worthless. But when it is PSG and they are only being able to win the league titles, I will say that it is genuinely worthless. Because they have the most amount of money compared to any other club in the league.

So they are supposed to win the league title. I know that they are not having the type of success that let's say Bayern Munich is happening. But that makes things worse. Because there are teams which have money in the Bundesliga. But Bayern Munich is so good that they are not facing too many problems. But PSG is not being able to do that. At least PSG is not winning the league title 10 years back to back.

In the English Premier league we say its competitive because one club cannot win the league for 10 years back to back. But in the French league we say PSG is not a good club that is why they cant win the league 10 straight years. Why cant we also say its a competitive league that's why PSG cant win it that way.

PSG has not lived up to expectation since the takeover, but we cant judge them solely by their failures in the champions league. How long did it take Manchester City, spearheaded by the best coach in the world to win a champions league?
The league can never be worthless, however you look at it.
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Yes, unfortunately it is. If Neymar doesn't have many injuries, maybe we will see him playing to his full optimal, as a striker and the most expensive player he should be able to give good results for PSG. By the way, if Luis Enrique becomes PSG new coach, Neymar is likely can stay in Paris. Because Enrique really understands the character of this striker, so I think there is still an opportunity for Neymar to show his great skills at PSG.
Even though PSG has planned to let Neymar go and there are already several clubs that are eyeing him, moreover Man United or Chelsea. but this is still a rumor. If it turns out that Enrique later changes his mind, he might reconsider. But in my opinion, PSG will still let Neymar go if there is a price agreement with another club. He had quite a small contribution during the last season in PSG although his transfer fee is very high, but he couldn't make it awesome during being in PSG.
This transfer season, PSG will lose several players it is clear that Messi, Mbappe and also Neymar, but these three players are PSG's core players, so it will be difficult for the club if they do not get replacements the same for all three players.
But are you sure this will be a bad start for PSG because they have lost their best players and only got poor substitutes?

Even though this is still a rumor but most of us believe that it will happen in the future.
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Neymar is still a really solid player in his role but he has been struggling with injury problems for a long time. Last season was also not quite good for him in terms of this situation. Otherwise his statistics until getting injured last season were really impressive. At this point I don't know if PSG would continue with him for at least one more season.

There are still speculations like he could leave indeed. But I don't feel like PSG will force him to leave as long as they don't get an official offer. I don't think he would go to Saudi Arabia just yet by the way. If we don't see an offer by a European team then he might also join Messi in the MLS.

Messi got an enormous contract by Inter Miami and a similar one might be offered to Neymar as well.
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I don't think Mbappe wants to leave Paris Saint-Germain as a free agent so much that he will refuse to move to Real Madrid in this transfer window if the clubs agree. It's just that now is the most realistic chance for Mbappe to go to Real Madrid with an option that suits all three sides, that is, Paris Saint-Germain will receive a decent compensation. On the contrary, there is a very high probability that Mbappe deliberately leaked his letter to the press refusing to extend his contract with PSG in order to move to Real Madrid right now, and not wait for next year. And all his statements about his intention to work out the contract to the end may be an element of pressure on PSG to bring down the price.

Mbappe was smart enough. He wants to stay while PSG wants him to leave. Both parties are in disagreement with each other and have conflicting opinions. The only problem is how much money will be asked by PSG for mbappe to leave from the team? Will real madrid can afford to pay it?
I think that this becomes the main question right now. Let's say that if PSG value him at a hundred million pounds and Real Madrid refuses to take him, but another team is willing..
Will mbappe personally agree with its buyer?

It's caused by personal agreement between player and buyer has become main of requirements to complete the transaction. If mbappe will not make a personal agreement with its buyer and the transaction will never happen.
Think about that. This is a complicated case caused by both of parties are contradicting one to each other.
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Yes, unfortunately it is. If Neymar doesn't have many injuries, maybe we will see him playing to his full optimal, as a striker and the most expensive player he should be able to give good results for PSG. By the way, if Luis Enrique becomes PSG new coach, Neymar is likely can stay in Paris. Because Enrique really understands the character of this striker, so I think there is still an opportunity for Neymar to show his great skills at PSG.
Even though PSG has planned to let Neymar go and there are already several clubs that are eyeing him, moreover Man United or Chelsea. but this is still a rumour. If it turns out that Enrique later changes his mind, he might reconsider. But in my opinion, PSG will still let Neymar go if there is a price agreement with another club. He had quite a small contribution during the last season in PSG although his transfer fee is very high, but he couldn't make it awesome during being in PSG.

Unlike Mbappe, neymar isn't new in the system. And is not too anxious about achievements. He is the kind of guy that applies his technique slowly and yet achieves what he wants. I'm not sure Neymar will leave PSG as soon as the press says. Neymar still has a lot to offer the club and at the same time earned from the club and I feel he will do that before leaving. It will be an interesting decision if PSG can bring in a coach like Enriqur to manage for them cuz this may change the decision of most of the players who already have doubts about staying by next season.
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Yes, unfortunately it is. If Neymar doesn't have many injuries, maybe we will see him playing to his full optimal, as a striker and the most expensive player he should be able to give good results for PSG. By the way, if Luis Enrique becomes PSG new coach, Neymar is likely can stay in Paris. Because Enrique really understands the character of this striker, so I think there is still an opportunity for Neymar to show his great skills at PSG.
Even though PSG has planned to let Neymar go and there are already several clubs that are eyeing him, moreover Man United or Chelsea. but this is still a rumor. If it turns out that Enrique later changes his mind, he might reconsider. But in my opinion, PSG will still let Neymar go if there is a price agreement with another club. He had quite a small contribution during the last season in PSG although his transfer fee is very high, but he couldn't make it awesome during being in PSG.
The power of a club is absolute, but if later Enrique expects Neymar to stay at PSG, of course that will be a serious consideration for next season's competition. I think that even if there was no Neymar, PSG would still win the Ligue 1 title and they would still need new players to enter a more difficult competition, namely the champions league. At the moment PSG have not had many rumors regarding the players they will sign in the summer and I think they should do it soon because a team like Lens will be one of their competitors in Ligue 1 next season.
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It won't work. Forcing player to extend his contract or leave from the club will not work. It's all depend on mbappe itself. I meant once you were forcing a player and you must also aware that if personal agreement actually required for a player to leave from the club. If mbappe will not be even agree to the personal agreement with new club and what you can do just terminate his contract to leave from the club as free agent. That means you will be got nothing from him at the end of his contract. This makes PSG dilemma to determine which the best decision for him. To keep or sell him until his contract will be running out. Mbappe is wanna leaving from there with free agent caused by he will able to pick which team that will become his next team. That's why PSG feels difficult to determine the best decision for mbappe. Mbappe forces himself to stay until his contract will be running out.
I don't think Mbappe wants to leave Paris Saint-Germain as a free agent so much that he will refuse to move to Real Madrid in this transfer window if the clubs agree. It's just that now is the most realistic chance for Mbappe to go to Real Madrid with an option that suits all three sides, that is, Paris Saint-Germain will receive a decent compensation. On the contrary, there is a very high probability that Mbappe deliberately leaked his letter to the press refusing to extend his contract with PSG in order to move to Real Madrid right now, and not wait for next year. And all his statements about his intention to work out the contract to the end may be an element of pressure on PSG to bring down the price.
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Another good news for Real Madrid and bad news for PSG is, It seems the Emir of Qatar asked Mbappe to extend his contract or they will sell this player this summer.
Real Madrid is obviously waiting for this moment to hire Mbappe.

https://psgtalk.com/2023/06/emir-of-qatar-to-mbappe-extend-contract-at-psg-or-be-sold-this-summer/

It won't work. Forcing player to extend his contract or leave from the club will not work. It's all depend on mbappe itself. I meant once you were forcing a player and you must also aware that if personal agreement actually required for a player to leave from the club. If mbappe will not be even agree to the personal agreement with new club and what you can do just terminate his contract to leave from the club as free agent. That means you will be got nothing from him at the end of his contract.
This makes PSG dilemma to determine which the best decision for him. To keep or sell him until his contract will be running out. Mbappe is wanna leaving from there with free agent caused by he will able to pick which team that will become his next team.
That's why PSG feels difficult to determine the best decision for mbappe. Mbappe forces himself to stay until his contract will be running out.
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Yes, unfortunately it is. If Neymar doesn't have many injuries, maybe we will see him playing to his full optimal, as a striker and the most expensive player he should be able to give good results for PSG. By the way, if Luis Enrique becomes PSG new coach, Neymar is likely can stay in Paris. Because Enrique really understands the character of this striker, so I think there is still an opportunity for Neymar to show his great skills at PSG.
Even though PSG has planned to let Neymar go and there are already several clubs that are eyeing him, moreover Man United or Chelsea. but this is still a rumor. If it turns out that Enrique later changes his mind, he might reconsider. But in my opinion, PSG will still let Neymar go if there is a price agreement with another club. He had quite a small contribution during the last season in PSG although his transfer fee is very high, but he couldn't make it awesome during being in PSG.
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Another good news for Real Madrid and bad news for PSG is, It seems the Emir of Qatar asked Mbappe to extend his contract or they will sell this player this summer.
Real Madrid is obviously waiting for this moment to hire Mbappe.

https://psgtalk.com/2023/06/emir-of-qatar-to-mbappe-extend-contract-at-psg-or-be-sold-this-summer/
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When it is time and Mbappe is about to leave PSG I wonder what kind of a team they will be. Because Mbappe is the main reason why they are this much strong right now. He has carried the team in so many games and his goal contribution is pretty huge. He is such a special talent that it won't be easy to fill his place with the right player either.

PSG don't want to lose him for free but I don't feel like they are ready to build a team without him yet. Therefore I assume he wouldn't be sold this summer that easy. PSG have no other chance than continuing with him for at least one more season and then part their ways with him as it seems.
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Do you mean to win french league again? Mbappe has been signed for something bigger than it to win UCL. Losing mbappe as free agent is a big loss for PSG. You can remember that if PSG paid a lot of money for him.
It's not even worthy of PSG paid almost 1/5 from 1 billion to win only french league. The price that already got from winning french league was smaller compared with money used to buy mbappe.
Im thinking about PSG must try to make him leave from the club by selling it. It will help PSG so much to recover some funds used to bought him.
There's this thing people do that is always funny and that is belittling league titles. You guys make it seem like the league is so insignificant. Especially leagues that are not the premier league.
So because Mbappe could not win the champions league with PSG does that make him a failure at PSG?
Mbappe was signed for about 180 million. Are you saying the French league titles he has won with PSG are not worth more than PSG? Are you saying if PSG as a club know knew that this is how Mbappe would perform for PSG before they signed him they wouldn't have signed him?
What do you mean by "only French league"? It took Pep 8 years or so to win the champions league with Man City. So if PSG hasn't won it doesn't mean they have been a colossal failure.

I'm, not a fan of PSG and the way they do business but signing Mbappe was the right move. The mistake they made is they would have sold him last summer. Now, I don't see a need in selling him again. It's just better if he plays one last season and leaves for free. The extra season gives them a lot of time to build their squad and get replacements so he won't be missed much when he leaves.

I can't say that league title is actually worthless. But when it is PSG and they are only being able to win the league titles, I will say that it is genuinely worthless. Because they have the most amount of money compared to any other club in the league.

So they are supposed to win the league title. I know that they are not having the type of success that let's say Bayern Munich is happening. But that makes things worse. Because there are teams which have money in the Bundesliga. But Bayern Munich is so good that they are not facing too many problems. But PSG is not being able to do that. At least PSG is not winning the league title 10 years back to back.
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Neymar is a complete failure with PSG. We have to accept that. Neymar is a great player. But he did not play well with PSG. In 4 seasons with Barcelona, Neymar played 123 matches and scored 68 goals. And made 20 assists. On the other hand, Neymar played only 112 matches in 6 seasons in Ligue 1. Neymar has faced a lot of injuries at PSG. And that's why he didn't succeed with PSG. If Neymar had not faced so many injuries, we could have enjoyed more excellent gameplay from Neymar.
Yes, unfortunately it is. If Neymar doesn't have many injuries, maybe we will see him playing to his full optimal, as a striker and the most expensive player he should be able to give good results for PSG. By the way, if Luis Enrique becomes PSG new coach, Neymar is likely can stay in Paris. Because Enrique really understands the character of this striker, so I think there is still an opportunity for Neymar to show his great skills at PSG.

So in essence it doesn't mean, Neymar doesn't play well. it's just that, the problem is that he is prone to injury. in this season, Neymar contributed 13 goals before he was injured. unfortunately, he had to miss a long time until the end of the season. this condition, made him lose a lot of momentum even though he is one of the great players. So far we have only heard of Neymar rumors, but nothing can really be claimed for the truth. In fact, he still has a contract until June 30, 2025. Now, his future is in the hands of Luis Enrique, who he was with during his time at Barcelona.

Well, referring to what you said. this is the interesting part. whether Enrique will include Neymar in the project in his squad. if so, as you said that Enrique really understands the character of this one player. it is possible that Neymar will remain with PSG, because so far there have only been mere rumors regarding reports that Neymar will leave PSG.
IMO, I'm pretty sure Enrique still needs his services in the PSG squad. however, to find out more, let's just wait for the developments.
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Do you mean to win french league again? Mbappe has been signed for something bigger than it to win UCL. Losing mbappe as free agent is a big loss for PSG. You can remember that if PSG paid a lot of money for him.
It's not even worthy of PSG paid almost 1/5 from 1 billion to win only french league. The price that already got from winning french league was smaller compared with money used to buy mbappe.
Im thinking about PSG must try to make him leave from the club by selling it. It will help PSG so much to recover some funds used to bought him.

There's this thing people do that is always funny and that is belittling league titles. You guys make it seem like the league is so insignificant. Especially leagues that are not the premier league.
So because Mbappe could not win the champions league with PSG does that make him a failure at PSG?
Mbappe was signed for about 180 million. Are you saying the French league titles he has won with PSG are not worth more than PSG? Are you saying if PSG as a club know knew that this is how Mbappe would perform for PSG before they signed him they wouldn't have signed him?
What do you mean by "only French league"? It took Pep 8 years or so to win the champions league with Man City. So if PSG hasn't won it doesn't mean they have been a colossal failure.

I'm, not a fan of PSG and the way they do business but signing Mbappe was the right move. The mistake they made is they would have sold him last summer. Now, I don't see a need in selling him again. It's just better if he plays one last season and leaves for free. The extra season gives them a lot of time to build their squad and get replacements so he won't be missed much when he leaves.

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Luis Enrique is really close to make the deal official with PSG now. Everyone has been saying that Zidane would be the best coach for PSG and I also agree. However it doesn't look like Zidane want that in the first place. Of course PSG still could have tried their chance by making an official offer to him but they haven't either.

In this situation there is no other thing to do than hoping Luis Enrique to be successful here. He is a decent career as he has managed Barcelona and Roma as big teams. He even managed Spain national team also. His most successful years were with Barcelona indeed. He won 10 titles in total with Barcelona and one of them was even a Champions League title.

At least it must be exciting to have a Champions League winner coach around here.
It could be difficult because Luis Enrique, like Guardiola, favors ball possession, whereas PSG focuses more on transition and quick counterattacks. This is why I'm not very excited about it. Nagelsmann or Mourinho are my top choices.  Mbappé must leave for Luis Enrique to achieve anything significant because if he stays, he won't ever have full control or won't be spared from making tough choices like Erik ten Hag had to with Ronaldo at Manchester United. If we don't give him control of the locker room, it will be another failure, and no respectable coach will be interested in coaching PSG again.

It is also a good aspect to think about. Luis Enrique must be very used to using such game plan thanks to his years in Barcelona. Mostly we don't see managers changing their way of planning strategies during their whole careers. Luis Enrique would do the same I guess. However I don't also think that a ball possession focused game plan would be the best for PSG.

Because while you have players like Mbappe in your squad it isn't very sensible to play slow. Mbappe likes to penetrate the box from wings to create big goal opportunities. Now I wonder what kind of a plan Luis Enrique would have in his mind about that.

Because if he can't make use of Mbappe's skills at the highest level then there is no meaning in this.
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We know PSG wants to hire Bernardo Silva for the next season but in fact, this transfer won't be a cheap transfer for them. As an effective player in Manchester City Bernardo Silva helped his team a lot and he had a good performance here. That's why even the Arabian teams send him an offer and PSG said they can't pay more money than the Arabian teams for Silva. 

https://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/football/transferts/mercato-la-grande-offensive-de-l-arabie-saoudite-pour-bernardo-silva-cite-au-psg_AV-202306210909.html
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It is very difficult to find players like Messi and Ronaldo whose abilities are beyond doubt. And I think that instead of looking for the star player they want, it's better for them to make it themselves, or in other words they look for young players, both from their academy and from anywhere, and they create it, like Borussia Dortmund did for example. I don't deny that having star players while they can pay for them is not a problem, but there are things that are more important in my opinion, namely when they can have a solid squad and good teamwork. Even though there may not be any players who really stand out, if their team play is great then it will bring an achievement.

By the way, Real Madrid bought 16-year-old Andrik for 70 million (this is the total amount with bonuses) - this is more expensive than Neymar and Bellingham were bought at one time. Until the age of 18, he will continue to play in Palmeiras, and then move to Real Madrid. It is obvious that Real believes that they found (although everyone was talking about him) a new generation star and were able to buy it in advance. I'm not from Brazil, so I just heard about him recently, but the fact is that potential (or already active young) stars are searched for and identified very early.
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@wmaurik Poch wasn’t a bad coach but he failed at managing the ego’s of the PSG player’s and hence I feel that Enrique will do a better job due to his vast experience. Furthermore I’m keen to see what kind of rebuild will Enrique do because buying star player’s has back fired and Mbappe is bound to leave next year hence he has to rebuild this squad immediately.

Pochettino was not a good coach at PSG. The way PSG played were hurtful to the eyes. They were horrible. In fact, it was due to those big players that he was able to maintain the top spot position.
PSG had no style of play, they played so individually. They couldn't create chances, they couldn't break defenses and their own defence was awful. When a team with Messi and Neymar in attack struggles to create chances then you know the coach is bad.
PSG's condition shouldn't be channelled to Potchetino only
. It's not easy to manage a team with the likes of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe. What if those men didn't play according to his rules? What if they struggled to see themselves first before the team? I don't see it to be completely Potchetino's fault. The same may repeat itself under the tutelage of a different coach with a different coaching perspective. The operation and understanding of players, couple with their relationship with the coach, also have a role here.
During Cavani's time at PSG, the team did only well when the strikers had more control of the ball, and that's how a player like Neymar got to fit into the play, along with Di Maria. We only got to see more formative play when Mbappe got added and Messi came. Of course Messi couldn't fit in for the first few games because the game was really random upfront. With his age too.

Neymar is a natural selfish player, can dribble, the rest I mentioned had same prowess and can topple a defense in secs count.
Will Zidane have been a better manager for PSG?
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