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The best players don't guarantee to make the club scary the fact is that even PSG never made it to the semi-finals and final of the UCL, they always fail, I think they have to change a lot of players also add new quality players compared to the best players in the world, the best players are not always good even us see this season PSG only won ligue 1.

I think PSG need to buy some other best players, at least young players who can accompany Mbappe to score goals at home to their opponents, Messi is no longer a player that can be relied on even though he won the world cup, PSG needs young players who are more talented than the best players.

PSG need a good coach firsr of all. They've never had a good coach in my opinion. Tuchel was the closest they came to a good coach but even he was not enough. The management of the club keeps hiring coaches that are not fit.
The management of PSG is also to blame for the condition of the club. They do not act like a big or serious club. PSG needs good midfielders. If they do not get good midfielders they'll suffer next season without Messi. You said Messi is not longer a reliable player,well, I'll just assume you've not been watching PSG's matches. Because if you have you'd know how important Messi is to that team. Mbappe scores goals, but he needs services and Messi provides that in abundance.

The PSG management need to go back to their drawing board and figure out what they're not doing right. Keeping Mbappe at all cost while also keeping Neymar and Messi was also a bad move. This makes very difficult to improve other part of the squad.
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Actually, there is little point in following the French league in the battle for the championship, isn't it? Lille became champion once 2 years ago, but we will not see that again in the next 10 years. The chance that PSG will become champion again in the coming season is about 95%. Not really worth placing a bet on that. I'm more curious if they can get the roster together what players like Ramos will do. And Mbappe, does he not want to win prizes in the CL? Then he should go to Madrid or City?
I don't think so, for sure the dominance of a team in every league will have its time and this has happened in a few seasons psg are stronger because they were able to buy some pretty good players in the transfer window so they deserve it.  Can't that be done by other teams in Ligue 1. If they want to break PSG dominance then they have to change their strategy in the transfer window.

I think psg will again buy some quality players in the next transfer window as they want to strengthen the team for next season's champions league. Mbappe being one of the star players they have I believe he is very comfortable at psg and would refuse to join any other club in this summer window.
The reason why I think that Paris Saint Germaine will continue to dominate the French Ligue 1 in the next ten years or more is because of the financial strength of the club owners and unless another high spending club owners takes over the ownership of another French club, Paris Saint Germaine will continue to dominate.
A club that has high profile players like Lionel Messi, Neymar and Kylian Mbappe coupled with defensive veteran of Sergio Ramos, and so many other players are supposed to be crowned champions two months before the end of the league season
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Strasbourg VS PSG

I'm enjoying the Strasbourg vs PSG match. In this match, I expected to see PSG dominate and win by a big margin. But I am very upset with PSG's match strategy.
Strasbourg is a team at the bottom of the points table. This group is relatively weak. But even against such a team PSG team is playing defensively today. The match is not important for PSG. They won the title. Even then PSG fans don't expect results that PSG won't win in such matches. Messi and Mbappe are in PSG's attack. However, PSG only made 4 shots in the first half. I don't see any desire in them to score in the match.
Looking at the statistics in this match, even though PSG's dominance was very pronounced from the beginning to the end of the match, it seems that Strasbourg's intention to win was a little bigger and PSG really seemed to be playing in this match.
Score 1 point for each although for PSG it doesn't have any impact but it might be different for Strasbourg they avoid the relegation zone even though the current position compared to last season still looks worrying.
Strasbourg game plan was to play a draw against PSG to consolidate their escape from relegation, they played with caution against a star-studded PSG who can score goals, I think with that draw Strasbourg is now safe even a loss in their last match wouldn't make any difference. Meanwhile congratulations to Messi for breaking all time European goal scoring records of 496 one goal ahead of Ronaldo who is currently playing in a Saudi Arabian league where his goal count would not add to his last record of 495 goals, congratulations to PSG for winning Ligue 1 for 11th time proving their dominance in Ligue though I am not surprised they are big money spenders in the league.
It's still very good for them but with the attack Strasbourg has I actually hope there is at least one more goal scored even though it is difficult.
But 1 point is clearly very good for them in this match because it is certain that they will survive now, even though seeing from the standings their decline has been felt this season.
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Actually, there is little point in following the French league in the battle for the championship, isn't it? Lille became champion once 2 years ago, but we will not see that again in the next 10 years. The chance that PSG will become champion again in the coming season is about 95%. Not really worth placing a bet on that. I'm more curious if they can get the roster together what players like Ramos will do. And Mbappe, does he not want to win prizes in the CL? Then he should go to Madrid or City?
I don't think so, for sure the dominance of a team in every league will have its time and this has happened in a few seasons psg are stronger because they were able to buy some pretty good players in the transfer window so they deserve it.  Can't that be done by other teams in Ligue 1. If they want to break PSG dominance then they have to change their strategy in the transfer window.

I think psg will again buy some quality players in the next transfer window as they want to strengthen the team for next season's champions league. Mbappe being one of the star players they have I believe he is very comfortable at psg and would refuse to join any other club in this summer window.
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I quite agree in this case because even though in this case their squad is luxurious with the contents of several big players who have triumphed or are currently pursuing their careers, it is clear that age is still a problem in this case.
Their attacking trio is good but the midfield even though it is filled with some players who are actually quite good like Vitinha and Verrati for example but that clearly does not change the situation because their midfield is still not able to maximize in this case.
On the other hand for the defensive line I also agree, age does not lie in this case because indeed seeing from the speed of some young attackers or wingers whose average quality of running is quite good is a little difficult to balance with defenders like Sergio who is already approaching the end.

The monotony of Galtier's schemes actually I think is a problem too in the end because of course this is seen when the schemes they do are mostly the same even though we consider it the best technique with the strengths we have but with that monotony so their attacks or strategies in the match are easier to read.

I think the coach of PSG team is failing to implement strategy. How to create great combinations with each other is a matter of opinion among players. Also, PSG's defense is facing serious problems, who are failing to give their best performance.
Actually it is quite realized because looking at the current conditions Galtier must also have little respect for some big players and indeed for now even though Galtier is a pretty good coach but in my opinion he is not suitable for his position at PSG at least in this case his qualifications are lacking so seeing from the luxurious squad then indirectly he is also unable to do that especially there are some great players and have more authority like Mbappe here.
Now if PSG continue to apply things like this and they don't reflect on their mistakes then I think they shouldn't expect too much from the Champions League because regardless of anything it can't be obtained even with a luxurious squad but when the coach doesn't have more qualifications then forever they will only be in the Champions League but can't do much there.
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Actually, there is little point in following the French league in the battle for the championship, isn't it? Lille became champion once 2 years ago, but we will not see that again in the next 10 years. The chance that PSG will become champion again in the coming season is about 95%. Not really worth placing a bet on that. I'm more curious if they can get the roster together what players like Ramos will do. And Mbappe, does he not want to win prizes in the CL? Then he should go to Madrid or City?
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PSG have officially become champions, but if we are very honest, we already knew before the start of the competition that they would become champions. The fact that they did not win with great force majeure is mainly because they themselves have run into unnecessary defeats here and there. Messi's departure will have no impact on the new championship in the new year. But fans might just be happy about it. It could be that PSG without Messi might be even stronger than before. just look at how things have gone at Barcelona in relation to and without era Messi.
In the summer I think there are 2 possibilities between Paris Saint-Germain leading this table or Lens leading.
Because it looks like Lens has a strong spirit in the next season to try to win this French league after learning that Paris Saint-Germain lost Messi.
But I agree with you that if Messi leaves Paris Saint-Germain it will not have any effect because before Messi entered Paris Saint-Germain he has also been strong dominating all clubs in the French league standings and there are still many Paris Saint-Germain players who have quality. very good and better performance than messi.
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PSG have officially become champions, but if we are very honest, we already knew before the start of the competition that they would become champions. The fact that they did not win with great force majeure is mainly because they themselves have run into unnecessary defeats here and there. Messi's departure will have no impact on the new championship in the new year. But fans might just be happy about it. It could be that PSG without Messi might be even stronger than before. just look at how things have gone at Barcelona in relation to and without era Messi.
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Such a record of wins at home will definitely be very valuable for Lens for the Ligue 1 competition next season and maybe they will become a new competitor for PSG if Lens can continue to be consistent. For Marseille, even though they lost, they still have a chance to play in the champions league next season, it's just that the competition will be a little more difficult because Marseille must go through the play-off round. Marseille's last opponent next week is a weak team that has no more hope in the relegation zone, namely Ajaccio, I think Marseille must close this season with a win even though it is an away game.
Now, looking at their match records, it's actually quite obvious that Lens is the favorite in this last game, so I still feel that this will be a win for Lens, especially considering the condition of the opponents, who are very different in terms of their current level and quality.
But on the other hand, this does not mean an easy victory because with the current conditions, Auxerre is actually struggling to maintain its position.
At the moment they still have a chance to survive as long as they don't do anything bad in the last game or hope that Nantes doesn't get anything from Angers.
Everything can still happen because even if Nantes wins and Auxerre draws then they still have to be relegated next season.
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It's another league title for PSG! Let's to be honest, there's nothing exciting about them winning the French league title. What I just what to say that when you have some of the world’s best players in your squad, it's almost expected that you'll come out on top. Confirming the Champions League is PSG's most significant challenge, as it represents the ultimate destination they are striving for years after years. With such an incredible pool of talent, it seems almost unfair that they haven't managed to claim the trophy yet. Looking at this team, it's hard to argue against them being the strongest side in Europe, but unfortunately, they've failed badly so far. But say congratulations.
The best players don't guarantee to make the club scary the fact is that even PSG never made it to the semi-finals and final of the UCL, they always fail, I think they have to change a lot of players also add new quality players compared to the best players in the world, the best players are not always good even us see this season PSG only won ligue 1.

I think PSG need to buy some other best players, at least young players who can accompany Mbappe to score goals at home to their opponents, Messi is no longer a player that can be relied on even though he won the world cup, PSG needs young players who are more talented than the best players.
Didn't PSG reach the 2020 Champions League final where they lost 0-1 to Bayern?  In 2021 PSG reached the semifinals where they lost to Manchester City, but before that PSG beat Barcelona and Bavaria.
So in the Champions League PSG didn't play so bad.
As for Messi, he is the most titled player in the world and even at 35 he can score points in almost every game. In 32 games he has made 16 assists and scored 16 goals and that at 35 years old!

So it's more likely that it's not about the players, but the coach. Last years PSG had a charade, if PSG could find a coach like Guardiola, they would probably also completely dominate in Europe.
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In fact, the team will be stronger if each player can develop a great understanding with each player on the team. This matter is not in the PSG team, I hope the team management will make some great additions in the next season and bring a great understanding in the team and the team will be able to perform well.

You are right. Although PSG had a strong squad, the understanding between the players was not good. This is why PSG cannot perform well in Champions League matches. PSG is expected to make a lot of changes within the team next season. They will release several players and include new players in the squad. This is why I say PSG's performance is likely to be unstable. New players are less likely to adapt quickly to the team. New players need time to adapt to the team. Also, I don't think PSG's coach is very experienced. I wouldn't be surprised if the PSG management decides to change their coach again next season.

PSG has the MNM Trio, they are really sharp when playing together. unfortunately when one of them is injured, it has an impact on the team's performance as a whole. because the problem is not that the players lack understanding, but that the midfield players are not very competent. I mean, PSG doesn't have a creative midfield player, as well as a defensive midfielder and it's made worse by the system that Galtier applies. let's see, Galter tends to play 3 defenders on the defensive line. whereas, Ramos' age, Danilo, is not young. that is, they often lose in terms of running speed contests.

To be honest, I don't really know if it's the fault of the coach, technical director or PSG management. what is certain, if PSG is not handled by competent people, this team will find it difficult to lift the Champions League trophy. This season, Messi has been confirmed to leave, Neymar is still confusing. so, if PSG wants to be equal at the level of Europe's top clubs. at the very least, they have to bring in quality players not only for centre-forwards, wings, but several other line players as well. no exception, with a coach who has a good track record in the Champions League competition.
I quite agree in this case because even though in this case their squad is luxurious with the contents of several big players who have triumphed or are currently pursuing their careers, it is clear that age is still a problem in this case.
Their attacking trio is good but the midfield even though it is filled with some players who are actually quite good like Vitinha and Verrati for example but that clearly does not change the situation because their midfield is still not able to maximize in this case.
On the other hand for the defensive line I also agree, age does not lie in this case because indeed seeing from the speed of some young attackers or wingers whose average quality of running is quite good is a little difficult to balance with defenders like Sergio who is already approaching the end.

The monotony of Galtier's schemes actually I think is a problem too in the end because of course this is seen when the schemes they do are mostly the same even though we consider it the best technique with the strengths we have but with that monotony so their attacks or strategies in the match are easier to read.

I think the coach of PSG team is failing to implement strategy. How to create great combinations with each other is a matter of opinion among players. Also, PSG's defense is facing serious problems, who are failing to give their best performance.
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In fact, the team will be stronger if each player can develop a great understanding with each player on the team. This matter is not in the PSG team, I hope the team management will make some great additions in the next season and bring a great understanding in the team and the team will be able to perform well.

You are right. Although PSG had a strong squad, the understanding between the players was not good. This is why PSG cannot perform well in Champions League matches. PSG is expected to make a lot of changes within the team next season. They will release several players and include new players in the squad. This is why I say PSG's performance is likely to be unstable. New players are less likely to adapt quickly to the team. New players need time to adapt to the team. Also, I don't think PSG's coach is very experienced. I wouldn't be surprised if the PSG management decides to change their coach again next season.

PSG has the MNM Trio, they are really sharp when playing together. unfortunately when one of them is injured, it has an impact on the team's performance as a whole. because the problem is not that the players lack understanding, but that the midfield players are not very competent. I mean, PSG doesn't have a creative midfield player, as well as a defensive midfielder and it's made worse by the system that Galtier applies. let's see, Galter tends to play 3 defenders on the defensive line. whereas, Ramos' age, Danilo, is not young. that is, they often lose in terms of running speed contests.

To be honest, I don't really know if it's the fault of the coach, technical director or PSG management. what is certain, if PSG is not handled by competent people, this team will find it difficult to lift the Champions League trophy. This season, Messi has been confirmed to leave, Neymar is still confusing. so, if PSG wants to be equal at the level of Europe's top clubs. at the very least, they have to bring in quality players not only for centre-forwards, wings, but several other line players as well. no exception, with a coach who has a good track record in the Champions League competition.
I quite agree in this case because even though in this case their squad is luxurious with the contents of several big players who have triumphed or are currently pursuing their careers, it is clear that age is still a problem in this case.
Their attacking trio is good but the midfield even though it is filled with some players who are actually quite good like Vitinha and Verrati for example but that clearly does not change the situation because their midfield is still not able to maximize in this case.
On the other hand for the defensive line I also agree, age does not lie in this case because indeed seeing from the speed of some young attackers or wingers whose average quality of running is quite good is a little difficult to balance with defenders like Sergio who is already approaching the end.

The monotony of Galtier's schemes actually I think is a problem too in the end because of course this is seen when the schemes they do are mostly the same even though we consider it the best technique with the strengths we have but with that monotony so their attacks or strategies in the match are easier to read.
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Lens managed to qualify for the champions league next season after beating Ajaccio in last night's match with a score of 3-0 without reply. Lens really enjoyed the match and they played very loose without any pressure at all. Even in the first half they scored 3 goals, which was even a very difficult number to catch for Ajaccio to equalize in the second half. This advantage lasted until the game was over and made Lens get an additional 3 points while closing the opportunity for Marseille to be able to catch Lens' points.

As for Marseille, they actually suffered defeat at home after losing to Brest with a score of 1-2. Marseille looked very bad even though they dominated the match and the chances they got could only produce 1 goal at home. This victory certainly means a lot to Brest because they want to close the season so they can stay away from the relegation zone and it seems they are very happy with this result.
Lens this season is in great performance when playing at home, they have a good record and with that win they have 17 winning while playing at home this season.
So sad for Marseille in their remaining match was, its really unexpected, previously that they lost against Lille and last night they also lost against Brest, even then at home. Indeed, Brest will be happy with that victory result, they can beat Marseille again when playing away, that is a good record for them, apart from stay away from the relegation zone.
Such a record of wins at home will definitely be very valuable for Lens for the Ligue 1 competition next season and maybe they will become a new competitor for PSG if Lens can continue to be consistent. For Marseille, even though they lost, they still have a chance to play in the champions league next season, it's just that the competition will be a little more difficult because Marseille must go through the play-off round. Marseille's last opponent next week is a weak team that has no more hope in the relegation zone, namely Ajaccio, I think Marseille must close this season with a win even though it is an away game.
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In fact, the team will be stronger if each player can develop a great understanding with each player on the team. This matter is not in the PSG team, I hope the team management will make some great additions in the next season and bring a great understanding in the team and the team will be able to perform well.

You are right. Although PSG had a strong squad, the understanding between the players was not good. This is why PSG cannot perform well in Champions League matches. PSG is expected to make a lot of changes within the team next season. They will release several players and include new players in the squad. This is why I say PSG's performance is likely to be unstable. New players are less likely to adapt quickly to the team. New players need time to adapt to the team. Also, I don't think PSG's coach is very experienced. I wouldn't be surprised if the PSG management decides to change their coach again next season.

PSG has the MNM Trio, they are really sharp when playing together. unfortunately when one of them is injured, it has an impact on the team's performance as a whole. because the problem is not that the players lack understanding, but that the midfield players are not very competent. I mean, PSG doesn't have a creative midfield player, as well as a defensive midfielder and it's made worse by the system that Galtier applies. let's see, Galter tends to play 3 defenders on the defensive line. whereas, Ramos' age, Danilo, is not young. that is, they often lose in terms of running speed contests.

To be honest, I don't really know if it's the fault of the coach, technical director or PSG management. what is certain, if PSG is not handled by competent people, this team will find it difficult to lift the Champions League trophy. This season, Messi has been confirmed to leave, Neymar is still confusing. so, if PSG wants to be equal at the level of Europe's top clubs. at the very least, they have to bring in quality players not only for centre-forwards, wings, but several other line players as well. no exception, with a coach who has a good track record in the Champions League competition.
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Monaco team lost the fifth spot to Rennes yesterday after being beaten by them 2 0 they didn't play well in the second half and they conceided two goals, they have being performing terribly recently they only manged to get four points in the last six games which is why they have been going down in the standing, the last round is their last hope but they need to Rennes team to lose points in order for them to get a european spot.
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The best players don't guarantee to make the club scary the fact is that even PSG never made it to the semi-finals and final of the UCL, they always fail, I think they have to change a lot of players also add new quality players compared to the best players in the world, the best players are not always good even us see this season PSG only won ligue 1.

I think PSG need to buy some other best players, at least young players who can accompany Mbappe to score goals at home to their opponents, Messi is no longer a player that can be relied on even though he won the world cup, PSG needs young players who are more talented than the best players.

Indeed the best players don't guarantee anything. But they can carry you many steps ahead of your opponents in your league. Winning a Ligue 1 title has become like a custom for PSG you know. Because there is a significant level of quality difference with the rest of the teams and PSG have used this into their advantage by playing solidly for a long time.

This season hasn't been very well for PSG even in this league though because Galtier isn't the right manager for this team. Plus their performance in the Champions League has been inadequate for years. They are still unable to get even very close to the championship there. This isn't acceptable for a team like PSG of course. But they can solve this issue only with the right management.
What most people want to see from Paris Saint Germain is in the Champions League, because we already assume they will easily get the title in Ligue 1 because of the lack of competition here. Therefore we want to see them do extraordinary things in even more competitive competitions. I haven't seen anything special from them in the Champions League, even they are far from special. I wonder what they can do next season.
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The best players don't guarantee to make the club scary the fact is that even PSG never made it to the semi-finals and final of the UCL, they always fail, I think they have to change a lot of players also add new quality players compared to the best players in the world, the best players are not always good even us see this season PSG only won ligue 1.

I think PSG need to buy some other best players, at least young players who can accompany Mbappe to score goals at home to their opponents, Messi is no longer a player that can be relied on even though he won the world cup, PSG needs young players who are more talented than the best players.

Indeed the best players don't guarantee anything. But they can carry you many steps ahead of your opponents in your league. Winning a Ligue 1 title has become like a custom for PSG you know. Because there is a significant level of quality difference with the rest of the teams and PSG have used this into their advantage by playing solidly for a long time.

This season hasn't been very well for PSG even in this league though because Galtier isn't the right manager for this team. Plus their performance in the Champions League has been inadequate for years. They are still unable to get even very close to the championship there. This isn't acceptable for a team like PSG of course. But they can solve this issue only with the right management.
Even in a league like Ligue 1 where there are many smaller teams, PSG are failing to perform at their best. This kind of performance is not quite right to expect from a team like PSG. Here's who I think is capable of beating each team. The last match was a 1-1 draw by PSG where the opposition was far behind in performance
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Apart from Strasbourg which has been able to defend itself to stay in Ligue1 next season, the draw that PSG got at home to Strasbourg is also a quite satisfying result for PSG because with this draw PSG can already celebrate its championship again this season in Ligue1 and I will congratulate PSG for being able to win Ligue1 again this season, hopefully next season they can compete better in several competitions which are not only in Ligue1.
If PSG failed to fortify its defense for next season's campaign, it might be a big problem. Strasbourg was just penetrating the defense and was supposed to get more goals if not for the post and PSG goalkeeper. Strasbourg's Habib Diallo was a terror to the PSG defense and it was difficult to stop him. I am sure Christophe Galtier will be sacked and maybe the "special one" might be the next coach.

They should be able to realize this, by doing the same thing and by bringing in star players it will not make them able to compete even tighter in European competition in the Champions League to be precise. It seems they are just wasting money by continuing to behave like that. There is another thing they should try, namely by regenerating young players, which is where they don't have to make big transfers as they usually do. They have to start trying with potential young players, they could develop from their academy, or they bring in from another team. I encourage them to do that.
Buying big players might not bring success to a club. At least PSG and Chelsea are clear examples. Trophies like the champions league can be won with some unknown dedicated and hard-working player backed by a technically sound coach. Buying big names is good but if they are not committed to the success of the club but seek personnel glory like Messi, Neymar, and Mbappe they will not give much. If Messi and Neymar leave PSG and they club buys young hard-working players with a good coach, they might get to the Champions League finals. Mbappe just needs some player to support him and the best will come out of the club.
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The best players don't guarantee to make the club scary the fact is that even PSG never made it to the semi-finals and final of the UCL, they always fail, I think they have to change a lot of players also add new quality players compared to the best players in the world, the best players are not always good even us see this season PSG only won ligue 1.

I think PSG need to buy some other best players, at least young players who can accompany Mbappe to score goals at home to their opponents, Messi is no longer a player that can be relied on even though he won the world cup, PSG needs young players who are more talented than the best players.

Indeed the best players don't guarantee anything. But they can carry you many steps ahead of your opponents in your league. Winning a Ligue 1 title has become like a custom for PSG you know. Because there is a significant level of quality difference with the rest of the teams and PSG have used this into their advantage by playing solidly for a long time.

This season hasn't been very well for PSG even in this league though because Galtier isn't the right manager for this team. Plus their performance in the Champions League has been inadequate for years. They are still unable to get even very close to the championship there. This isn't acceptable for a team like PSG of course. But they can solve this issue only with the right management.
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It's another league title for PSG! Let's to be honest, there's nothing exciting about them winning the French league title. What I just what to say that when you have some of the world’s best players in your squad, it's almost expected that you'll come out on top. Confirming the Champions League is PSG's most significant challenge, as it represents the ultimate destination they are striving for years after years. With such an incredible pool of talent, it seems almost unfair that they haven't managed to claim the trophy yet. Looking at this team, it's hard to argue against them being the strongest side in Europe, but unfortunately, they've failed badly so far. But say congratulations.
The best players don't guarantee to make the club scary the fact is that even PSG never made it to the semi-finals and final of the UCL, they always fail, I think they have to change a lot of players also add new quality players compared to the best players in the world, the best players are not always good even us see this season PSG only won ligue 1.

I think PSG need to buy some other best players, at least young players who can accompany Mbappe to score goals at home to their opponents, Messi is no longer a player that can be relied on even though he won the world cup, PSG needs young players who are more talented than the best players.
They should be able to realize this, by doing the same thing and by bringing in star players it will not make them able to compete even tighter in European competition in the Champions League to be precise. It seems they are just wasting money by continuing to behave like that. There is another thing they should try, namely by regenerating young players, which is where they don't have to make big transfers as they usually do. They have to start trying with potential young players, they could develop from their academy, or they bring in from another team. I encourage them to do that.
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