Topic: Fulfilling signature campaign post quota by recycling own posts (Read 1003 times)

We agree, but the point was I don't think they'll be banned for this. If it's spam, it's gone already. Even plagiarism won't get you banned if you delete it by yourself.

His posts also included AI.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64186919
Have his posts been checked against the tools used in the Nutildah topic?

These are just three posts that indicate that the AI was at work, but there are many more such posts. After that, it can be assumed that the posts written by the AI were subsequently paraphrased by another tool.

A bump?  It might technically be considered that (even if it's stretching the definition), but it's not a bump in spirit and I think we all probably can agree on that.


Trust abuse without consequences, though, unless one or more DT members decided it was so egregious that counter-feedback needed to be given or the person(s) who tagged those involved with the post recycling needed to be tagged.  Sometimes you just have to use the tools at your disposal.  Having said that, I'm not tagging anyone for this but nor would I harbor a grudge against anyone who saw fit to do so.

Me, too.  I don't doubt that this crap has been happening as long as idiots have been able to get away with it, but I'll be damned if I ever noticed it myself--or if it's ever been reported as being a problem in a thread like this.  Nice eyes, OP.

Well, I guess this is one way to avoid using AI to generate posts, right?  Fortunately, uncovering recycled posts is way easier than ones made using some kind of program.  And I'll admit that I've tended to use some of the same phrases over and over again in my posts over the years, it's not because I don't know how to write anything else.  It's just my style, and sometimes I just have the same opinion on whatever the topic of a thread is.  But there's a difference between that and actually "self-plagiarizing" (which isn't a valid phrase IMO, but you all know what I'm talking about).

Shut these fools down!

Many quality posters will join the Stake campaign for $50 (25 posts). The problem with some of the participants is greed. They want to get the maximum pay even when they know that they lack the time or ability to do it. If these Stake posters post based on their abilities and not because of money, their post quality will improve.

Stake Management identified this problem and tried to stop it by allocating maximum posts to members based on certain criteria. The problem now is that the process of giving quotas to posters was faulty, so spammers and greedy posters were still given high quotas. So the problem persisted.

I have a suggestion; the managers of the campaign need to look for means to identify quality posters. Different criteria should be used and an external person(s) who are not part of the current campaign managers should be part of the selection process.

+1


However, managers (if they really exist there) marked this user as writing quality posts. As far as I understand, they have standards for how the post should look, but the content itself is completely irrelevant.
Quotes as a sign of discussing a certain topic with someone, two or three paragraphs, a picture (preferably from the Stake site). For those who are short-sighted, this picture looks pretty good.


We can't ban a campaign because we don't like the quality they bring. How will we even determine which manager is up to the task? I believe that every manager has those who think that he is not doing his job well, and that would be an endless discussion.

The Stake campaign is currently the most talked about, so it can be concluded that it is also a form of success. They definitely attracted attention.

I'm sure that nobody reads those posts, and even if they do, they can't have an IQ higher than 50. It is clear to all of us that this campaign currently holds the leading position in generating spam on this forum (together with a couple of super low pay rates campaigns), so suggestions that someone should spend several hours every day cleaning up after them do not make much sense.

The only thing that would give results is a temporary ban on that campaign, and mandatory running of the campaign (if it were to be started again) by a respectable manager - this has already happened in the past when such positions were taken by @Lauda and @hilariousandco.

For every hero on the campaign, they earn $50 for every 25 posts while $0.75 if they make more but with more if they post more on gambling board. But legendary members in the campaign earn more. Legendary members are earning $62.5 for every 25 posts while $0.9 more after 25 posts and more if they post under gambling board. They have a grading way to limit some people posts but all of them can still have up to 50 posts per week. I will agree with you that the pay is enough even for the 25 posts but some people are greedy and want to post more by spamming. I am not saying they should not post more but it should be with quality posts.

I have to disagree, even though it's true their pay rate is lower than other campaigns, but they paid at least $50 for 25 posts is quite decent especially there are many campaign have stopped.

It's not those members don't apply, but they've applied and they didn't get accepted because they have their "own" way to judge the post quality.



They're not "accepted", instead they're "hired".

There's a difference, not many users can earn 4K merits or become a moderator.

This is wrong, I've check few of their participants, there are many participants that only received 1 merit in the last 120 days still participate till now. I don't see their post quality is dropping, their post quality is same, exaggerate one sentence become one paragraph or two paragraphs.

That is no more spamming as he was deleting the old post. The moderators will leave his account alone and not give it any temporary or permanent ban. But what could teach him the lesson is when his account has been given comments on his trust page about what he did. If a campaign manager reads it, he will think of selecting him into another campaign or not. But I do not think a campaign manager will select someone like this that intentionally ranked up and start looking for all ways to earn money from a signature campaign.

I am not in support of anyone, but I am only expressing my personal view. What QueenVera did is bad and against the forum rules, maybe this user is using bot to post and that is why s/he is recycling his/her post over and over again, because if I am QueenVera I would get tired of recycling my post.

I have no doubt that Stake manager have problems with monitoring their campaign participants, and some of these participants take that for granted by spamming the forum to get paid weekly. I would not say that Stake manager selected spammers to work with, because a forum member can become more serious in posting quality post just to get a signature campaign and the moment they have been accepted after few weeks, they will become lazy and unserious with giving out quality post in order to give their best to company.

However, I have noticed that the pay rate of stake is not encouraging to some forum members here who are quality posters and post for fun, especially those in the technical section, and if Stake opens their campaign, such members don't apply. Stake will have no option than to pick from the members that applied, and they will pick the best to their knowledge especially when you are contributing more on gambling section. I saw recently that Stake accepted two quality posters from the Nigeria Board, Charles-Tim and Igebotz. This means that Stake manager knows what he wants and knows how to pick quality posters, but he is not given the opportunity to select because the payrate is low compared to other signature campaigns in the past, so those quality posters don't apply.

I have seen some number of quality posters in Stake. Some signature campaign managers do experience sometimes, that the post quality of a participant is dropping or he did not earned any merit over one month, and they will replace that user and if they are more than one, reshuffling will be made.

It is a harsh decision... Don't use the sin of one person to condemn the rest.  
 Like I said, there are still quality posters in Stake.

I don't even think he'll be banned for spamming: posting the same thing after you deleted it could be considered a bump.

I've seen this many times: apparently the concept of plagiarism is still confusing. At least this puts xLays on the safe side

That would be considered Trust abuse.

You don't need to give stake a feedback because of the participants they hired is spamming the forum, its when you have noticed a strange thing in stake betting platform that's harm to people who use their platform, it's when you will tag them, actually I have not seen the law stake broke, any user who is engaged in spamming the forum will face the consequence, neither the user will receive different neutral, because stake have the right to quit any participant at any point in time.

Spamming should be handled with report to moderator and for overwhelming one, a topic to get noticed by the admin/mod.

Feedback system isn't for fighting against spam. It will reduce the credit/standard of feedback system.

Stake was and is very smart not to hire you Little Mouse as you are a cheat and they are not stupid at all.

What if we tag stake.com, their manager and the participants for spamming?

That should teach them a lesson. Spamming the forum? That’s the line nobody should cross.

It is against the forum rules.

One less sig camp, I think we will be gud. We are drowning in sig camps, the participants will move to the next one, nobody will notice their absence

I am not totally ignorant that things like this happens. But I think I last heard about this type of spam during my early days in the forum. I am trying to figure out how this happen. Is it that Queenvera wrote down like 20 posts in their notepad and keep copy pasting them randomly to post. Also how will a post published today still fall in context when published in few days later. Atleast posts follow conversation flow.

Stake has only 1 manager, others are employees. I don't trust that they read posts before rating. They definitely check length of posts and rate.

The bannable offense is plagiarism, which is taking the content of others and passing it of as yours. Copying and pasting your own content repeatedly is very abusive spamming but it's not plagiarism and if spamming attracts a ban, it should be a temporary ban first.

That guy for sure doesn't read the post, and if he actually does that I'm going to congratulate him no matter what others say, if you read all that repetitive 4 lines or for the more advanced spammer constant 3 paragraphs of gibberish and you don't get brain cancer after one month, as I said, this is something to appreciate! But, I'm sure nobody does the reading, they probably just put some random data in there and be done with it, if some shit in there is valued at 8 I really want to know what 1 or 2 rating look like. Also, how the hell are they all into the 7-8.5 range, commonnnnn!


Cheap banner impression, they thought it would cost them more to actually do it themselves so this is the result!
No wonder the gambling board is turning from sinkhole to shithole to blackhole with those!

Do you honestly belive that there are 4 managers that are independently checking those posts?

Imho, one person is doing all this and those fake 4 managerrs are just show so Stake campaign appears more professional while we know its bullshit consideering the amount of shitposters among their ranks. And explains why something like this went unnoticed for so long.

Anyway, good catch @morvillz7z!



 

i'm pretty sure something like this is against forum rules (i may be wrong on that),
a ban would do much more to stop this shit show.


who?

Thanks for sharing those threads, and to be honest I have never gone through those threads, however now I know that some people did that in past and others who are lazy are trying to follow their pattern once again even now.

I don't know what to say but I believe such members are somehow a disgrace to the campaigns that they join because instead of contributing anything good, they just delete and recycle their own previous written work.

This user should not only receive negative trust rating but should also be banned. Copy-pasting content is prohibited in this forum, right? This is totally a type of copy-pasted post. If I wer the admin here I surely ban this user. Anyway you already tagged him negative trust rating, its like she already ban because having a negative trust rating can't joined any signature campaign unless the campaign manager have consideration to accounts with negative trust rating.

Now If she have an alternate account, she will surely abandon this account and focus on their alternate account rather than defending themselves here.

Haven't you read these threads? Looks like someone is just adopting this behavior.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5283810
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/user-smokerface-recycling-posts-for-sig-campaign-new-way-of-cheating-5320033

I'd say that's exactly what spammers do.

Wild guess: they don't care.

I think they got their manager from in-house. But it would be better if they asked one of the legendary campaign managers to handle the campaign instead, since it clearly looks like it's getting overrun with spammers.

In fact, wasn't this campaign banned before for this exact reason? Or was it another campaign I am thinking about? (I am not talking about YoBit - I already know about that one - but I specifically remember that there was an old version of the Stake campaign that got banned for spam.)

This is not usually spam. He posted the same content in 38 posts, at least this is what morvillz7z found. He was certainly quite aware of what he was doing and his explanation that he accidentally copied from a notepad is a poor attempt at justification. You can make the same mistake once or twice, but not 38 times.
I see this as a red tag.

I would also like to hear how these four Stake managers see the whole matter.

See:

Stake "campaign managers" have a very weird way of determining post "quality". It's certainly not in the interest of the forum. This topic is over 5 years old: Stake.com (SteveStake) is encouraging spam.

We have seen similar excuses more than once when spammers write that they first create messages in a notepad and then publish them on the forum.



But if we assume that managers of signature companies will at some point prohibit publishing posts after the fifth or even tenth page without turning topics into megathreads, then such actions with preliminary posts will be difficult to carry out.
Why not communicate normally, as usual, without turning the forum into some kind of academy or school, with homework and typing posts in advance? I opened the forum and wrote a response, and that’s it.
You shouldn’t go to fortune-tellers and say that when posts are prepared in advance, it means that there are still accounts that are in a hurry just to make money, forgetting about ordinary communication.

The problem with Stake or at least the manager and those who are reviewing the posts of their participants is that they don't know what to look at their signature participants. They even defending participants that posted long sentences and paragraphs because that's what the campaign manager wanted to see. The longer the post, the better for them.

Them even don't look at the merits as they say that there could be participants that posted good but was not merited by the members here. And I don't think that they are going to hire a campaign manager from this community who has the experience to grade the participants.

It's not impossible that farmed accounts are using some scripts and semi-automatic bot replies.

There was a clear intention with all your actions, but I am sure you will move on business as usual with your other alt accounts, forget about this one for any future campaigns.
I hope you learned your lesson.

I think problem is much bigger than just one member spamming and recycling his posts, and I wouldn't be surprised if others are doing something similar.
Gambling board needs cleaning.

They actually have 4 persons who monitor the participants since 2 years ago, guess what? they give good ratings to QueenVera, Adrian aka one of the reviewer said this week QueenVera is a good poster.

How can one of them didn't notice if QueenVera recycled own posts when they're reviewing his post every week, it's surprising morvillz7z who're not the reviewer can notice this lol.

 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14VXHQRQBbRVz_QXGz6dSjvtZZ7VCTksk1jfW6AdsrkY/edit#gid=2095975102

I think this is how the Stake's reviewers looks like during reviewing the participants.

Many people have been complaining of the management of the campaign, is like the management lack attention to their participants and secondly they have higher number of participants which I know very well that may be the result of not figuring out people who is not taking the campaign serious.

Theirs one certain period i encounter a place they said that they have a team that do grading to their participants, so their is a team I don't think they will be having numbers of low quality posters, let them hire a reputable members of this forum that will help them for grading posts made by the participants...if stake reduced the number of post quota, participants who is involve there will make a quality post. The problem come from the tax they give to their participants as weekly post, they should minimize their post to 30 post weekly.

I'm disappointed at myself and I don't want to come here defending myself as it mightn't change anything from what is being written about me but I just want to let my conscious clear that at least I tried my best. I only have some points I want to defend, I write on my notepad before responding on the forum and I see there is a mistake by me posting the same post on two different threads, I didn't intend to do that on purpose and I'm willing to return the money made on that post if that is possible. I didn't know the second post I wanted to copied didn't copy correctly and I was still with the old posts. I do not think this has happened before therefore it was a honest mistake but I know nobody will believe me since I'm not in the best position to plead my honesty but I'm sorry for this mistake and I'm willing to do anything it takes to rectify myself.

I put numbers on the post I want to respond to and delete them before I post them on the forum but sometimes I can make a mistake to leave them there after posting. If I come across the mistakes I could delete it as the numbers aren't important in the replies but they are only there as I mark them for me to know the replies that I'm responding to. The numbers aren't there as it was posted by an AI but just a way I use to know which reply that I'm responding to and how I position my replies to make it make sense.

I love Atalanta and I would have unconsciously used the same words again and again and possibly use the same opening sentence but I plead with everyone that I'll look for other sentence and words to use to experience my feelings. We are discussing sports and the discussion aren't that different, we are mostly discussing the same thing on different instances and when I join the discussions, I might repeat my words but I try to add something else to the discussion. The first lines or paragraphs would had sound or look the same but I try to bring something different in the other paragraph. It might not work out as I visualize in my head but I don't use AI for posting or plagiarised. I'm sorry as it was never an intended offense and don't mind getting punished for it but please know that i never intended it to cause a mess in the forum and I'll be better please.

It's funny, they've made four new posts since this topic was created, i shit you not all four are reposts. I'm starting to think this account is 100% botted. 



I vaguely remember coming around a screenshot of that particular signature campaign in which participants' posts were reviewed and rated by different people. I mean, how could you miss it? It's blatant right in your face stuff. How can you miss it if you read/check their posts every week instead of just count and pay, right? It's been going on for such a long time.


If anyone is in contact with Carollzinha, please send them a link to this thread. I see they haven't logged into their account for over a week now.

Can someone tell my such a user shouldn't be tagged (negatively) for spamming. I mean, they are literary cheating the campaign that is hiring them by recycling posts. This is similar to some chap who decided to make reserve posts prior to pay day deadline, and then he would later edit the posts to make the longer so that they can be counted

I think such people should be tagged, and I am about to do so. Just seeking out some opinions from other members.

A few years ago, spammers like QueenVera would not be tolerated for long.
Do you remember the @Limx dev's case, when he was banned because he reposted the same post, although it was an announcing update or an airdrop?

At least he is honest about it. When you had to post in the different topics with the same context over and over again for weeks, you’ll be eventually doing the same thing. By “same thing” I don’t mean what he did exactly, we all are doing a variant of what he is doing.

Maybe we don’t copy paste our old posts like him but we are pretty much doing the same thing when we write another post about:

“Which alts are the best?”
“Who will win the presidential race?”
“How to become a good trader?”
“Are meme coins gud?”
…

It is because we already talked about these topics a million times before but we still see another topic asking the same thing :d

Yes, there have been cases of many members of that campaign who were breaking the rules of the forum and doing things which this community doesn't accept. However, it's not possible for single person to look after all of those things and that's why spammers do their spamming activity without any fear.


I believe a large campaign like Stake should have more than one manager or a manager with some assistants. There are some good members who are also part of that campaign but it's also a fact that some members of that campaign are taking advantage of the manger who's hiring them as participants.

It's a quite hard job to manage a campaign where most members have to make so many posts and for a single person it's not possible to go through all of the members and their posts to verify that are those posts legit or those are recycled ones or are AI generated ones.

Good find morvillz7z.
I don't understand how any campaign manager is accepting and keeping participants like this  
This member earned neutral feedback from me, but I think that repeated spam behavior like this deserves even negative feedback and removal from all signature campaigns.

The problem with stake campaign is that they don't want to hire someone for managing their campaign. I have tried to reach them (I won't lie lol) but failed. They have hired some spammers in the campaign (not everyone). They don't give priority to quality, they only need quantity.

They must hire someone for managing the campaign. Or at least to monitor the participants and replacing the spammer. Don't know if they ever will decide to do so. I would gladly assist them if they would look for a campaign manager or at least an assistant for monitoring the participants but seems that's not going to happen anytime soon.

It's the worst case of recycling one's own posts I have ever seen, in fact it's the first time I'm seeing someone doing something like that.

It's the worst thing someone can do with a campaign manager who trusted them by accepting such people in their managed campaigns.

I hope the campaign manager will take some action against that user and possibility remove him/her from campaign with some warning.

I personally have no rivalry with that user but whatever he/she does isn't right and I believe such type of members should get reported to campaign managers as soon as possible.

Recycling your posts for sig pay is nothing new. We've seen it many times in the past. For the user in question, the number of recycled posts is simply absurd. They don't even try to delete and then repost, they just leave it be. Some posts are reposted more than a dozen times over the course of 5-6 months. Others are reposted the following week, sometimes within hours or even minutes. Truly shameless behavior.


Here are a few examples, there are MANY more...


2024-06-02 20:47:26 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/64162178
2024-05-22 16:35:08 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/64111458
2024-05-21 10:58:33 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/64105761
2024-05-19 18:55:18 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/64098922
2024-05-18 16:38:38 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/64094249
2024-05-16 17:09:04 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/64085391
2024-05-12 16:25:57 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/64067528
2024-05-11 13:33:13 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/64062677
2024-04-19 22:40:58 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63968012
2024-04-18 22:03:13 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63963256
2024-04-17 15:11:23 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63956750
2024-04-11 16:21:41 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63932031
2024-04-10 21:34:53 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63928864
2024-04-09 20:21:33 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63924377
2024-04-03 18:39:40 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63897273
2024-03-27 19:41:42 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63866199
2024-03-23 17:15:28 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63847683
2024-03-20 17:54:21 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63833241
2024-03-19 13:46:23 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63827725
2024-01-27 15:51:59 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63567418





2024-05-12 16:40:59 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/64067586
2024-05-04 18:21:32 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/64032720
2024-04-05 14:49:09 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63905495
2024-04-01 13:41:29 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63887169
2024-03-28 19:50:16 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63870750
2024-03-20 16:42:03 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63832911
2024-03-11 09:56:10 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63790008
2024-02-25 13:33:32 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63717699
2024-01-25 20:10:51 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63557660
2024-01-20 17:47:30 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63530402
2024-01-19 16:47:26 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63524843
2023-12-18 15:16:59 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63345561




2024-06-03 11:10:06 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/64164208
2024-06-02 21:18:15 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/64162297
2024-05-01 19:16:53 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/64018616
2024-05-01 19:12:32 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/64018600
2024-04-02 23:08:17 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63893803
2023-12-10 20:38:27 UTC - https://ninjastic.space/post/63303631


Possibly my favorite one, this post is used twice in two different threads just 17 minutes apart:


Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions



Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A)



...I'd go on a limb and say this user hasn't created a single genuine/organic post in the last, say five months. Those three paragraphs, 200+ words, and 1400+ character walls of text just don't feel right to me.

This is a direct quote/reply to another user...if you read carefully, you'll find that it has the same meaning but is fluffed and paraphrased.








...and while their posts bypass most AI detection tools, i'm not convinced they're not computer generated. I discovered several artifacts that suggest otherwise.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/uefa-champions-league-202324-season-5456121

ChatGPT often lists responses to prompts with "1." "2.", "3.", etc.  The "3." in the second post was noticed and removed by QueenVera within 4 seconds. I guess it was not supposed to be there. Lol


Anyway, i've notified their campaign manager and left them a neutral tag, though it probably deserves to be red.