Topic: Stake.com (SteveStake) is encouraging spam. (Read 5706 times)

I think the main problem i see in this signature campaign its a economic related, because they reward the spam in terms of put in a low pay for normal posters and put a very very low pay after the 25 post so you need 100+ post to reach the limit of the payment, and we know a lot of users here are gona try to catcht that nad well we see the consecuences, really bad posts, some off topic and other things.

Its dissapointing in some ways thinking about Stake its the most big betting house here in term of money and users, its good to have so many spots to cover so a lot of people can have the chance to be enrolled, but you need to make more serious or pay better to good users.

But you can see they use the quantity over quality and in term of exposure really works.


About people here who doesnt gamble, i dont have any problem with that....BUT its quite obvius a lot of people doesnt gamble and also doesnt "make community here" you can see a lot of promotion in game and rounds or pool of predictions really profitables and only plays the same people of the forum a number like 20/30 persons, and we know they are THOUSANDS making post in the day.

So im gonna think you only come here to receive a payment and you dont give anything back to the community.

Some people like me i understand, maybe you dont have enough time and its correct or you dont like X sport, but all are going in the same boat? i dont think so.

the problem is that they have set a low payment rate per post and in addition, they pay for a large number of posts. it was practically created for spammers because slightly better quality posters will not be included in the campaign where they have to write 100+ posts to be paid like in the others for 25 posts.

I do doubt it.


Because they don't understand that this is a bitcoin forum, and not a PhD school. I used to think like that.

If the quality of that section is so bad, if it is so problematic, why does it move so much money? Why is it and has it been so important in the history of this forum?

The gambling section fulfills its function. It incentivizes people to write there, the casinos pay for that and get a clear profit, otherwise they would not do it.

This is the same thing I was saying to LoyceV. He works for a campaign where the quality of the writing is much more important than for the Stake.com campaign. The average CM user is more tech-savy and smarter in general than the average casino user. That's why you see the technical sections filled with CM signatures and the gambling section with casino signatures, with a few exceptions.

You should look at what posts from real gamblers look like on a forum https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/ and compare with the BTT Gambling section. There is no doubt that a large majority of posts are made by people who don't gamble and don't care about gambling here. Why do you think there is a thread in Meta section since several months about this issue ? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/listgambling-board-spammers-concerns-solutions-suggestions-5403475
The overall rate is certainly lower than the one of this campaign fortunately, because other campaigns don't give bonuses for posting in this section, and are more demanding on quality, but it remains high though.

I may be wrong but the main purpose of a forum is to allow people to discuss topics they are interested in, not to allow them to earn money by posting useless content. You certainly don't care about the issue because you don't like gambling, but would you be happy if most users of Bitcoin sections were no-coiners in reality?
 

To be fair: gambling away your earnings isn't smart. It makes sense that some gamblers join a signature campaign to get more gambling funds. But recruiting campaign participants doesn't happen on Stake, and I don't expect the majority of Bitcointalk users to be active gamblers.

Although I don't doubt that there are people who don't even gamble in these signature campaigns, in most cases they are people who know about gambling.

I for example, in participating in several casino campaigns I registered in the casino, tried it a little and that's it because my thing is poker and I play in fiat sites but I know about gambling. However, there may be people who do not register with the same nickname as in bitcointalk, or who like another casino or who usually bet in a fiat casino.

Or are you telling me that those of you who comment in this thread are not casino customers?

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In any case, given the level of some of the participants in the stake campaign, I would not be surprised if the ratio of participants who don't gamble is higher in this one.

I agree with you, unlike other campaigns, the company sends payments into the casino accounts of participants, this means they can easily check who are real active gamblers interested in the matter who would post in the gambling section even if they were not enrolled in a casino campaign and who are non-gamblers posting there just because the campaign is requiring it. The number of participants enrolled in this campaign is currently very high (70 are listed in their spreadsheet but it is not comprehensive), it means this company has a responsibility toward the forum and toward the gambling section especially since they are giving bonus payments to post there.  
You are wrong if you think that people wearing casino signatures are also customers : check the spreadsheet above, the casino username of each participant is mentioned, you just need to type /user @username into the casino chat to get the vip rank of the account and its wagering statistics : You will notice that 95% of people are not active customers actually(ie VIP bronze at least), so when they post this kind of testimonies they're usually fake. They are not even newbie gamblers most of time, just fake ones.

I don't understand what is the connection between Negative feedback and spam?

Maybe you can see neutral feedback if they are making too many spam posts but giving negative for someone who posts spam is against the DT system and no one is doing so making any change in that rule won't make any change at all about the topic we are discussing here.

But looking at the spreadsheet not many users are making above 35 posts which is really manageable and can be high quality as well. The only con is giving extra bonus for posts made in gambling board may encourage users to posts more there even when they are not used to be.

They are not the only ones. Nowadays with how decentralized the system is and how many people there are in DT it is not uncommon to see negative feedback on people who write quality posts and also the feedback sometimes has nothing to do with trading risk.

That's why you will see in several campaigns a phrase saying like it's not allowed people with "legitimate" negative feedback and things like that, so the manager, if he thinks someone is worthy of entering the campaign, reviews the feedback and decides if he agrees or not.

The reason why many campaign managers ask to meet the posts requirements is to make sure the participants are active. It's still good for stake participants they still got half payment, some managers wouldn't even pay you if you not meet the posts requirements.

But I'm not talking which manager is good and which manager is bad, I believe each manager have their own view and rule to make the campaign become successful, they're not stupid for giving away free money if the participants not done a good job for the campaign.

@Carollzinha isn't a person who only look from black and white, you can check on the spreadsheet where there are few participants get half payment even they've met the post requirements. I think he have doing a good job.

You can definitely make a point that in the end, more posts mean more visibility and a more effective advertising campaign (and this point was made earlier in the thread). However, campaign spammers tend to end up in those spam-megathreads like the one LoyceV mentioned which nobody reads and only exist to allow them to reply to each other endlessly. This would mean that only they themselves, actually end up seeing the ads.

From a purely ideological (discourage spam on this wonderful platform), but also financial standpoint, I would personally focus on trying to get the most respected and popular forum users to wear my ads, who post (in) popular threads (also getting traffic from outside the forum - e.g. someone web searching for 'How to run a Bitcoin Core full node for under 50 bucks').

Well, I just checked the telegram bot and realized I was mentioned on this thread.
For a moment I actually believed I was being called out for my posts or something. If anyone ever wants to comment on my participation while engaged on Stake's signature campaign, I am open to constructive criticism.

There are always ways to get a lil bit better. 

Those who are participating in this signature campaign post such a huge amount because they are getting paid for that post as well. This situation can be seen if the company gives more importance to quantity than quality.

If they wanted to keep this campaign spam free then they would have implemented strict campaign rules earlier. They should change their rules to make this campaign more acceptable and stop encouraging spam posting.

Problem with stake is they allowed negative trust user to join on their campaign if they changed their rules to make it more stricter to the user who got bad status in this forum maybe it could lessen the spam happening on this forum.

Maybe they need to change some of their rules so that they can fit in the taste of majority.

Considering the lack of Merit in that thread, I can't imagine people actually read what's being posted. So it's better not to post there, or not pay for it.


This rule causes more spam:

Leaving aside whether he is a shitposter or not, what page do you want him to post on in that thread? Those kind of threads, like in this case of the German soccer league, have many pages It wouldn't make sense to open a new thread every week.


How do you know they are alts?

I have never applied for this campaign but I do not rule it out in the future, so I expect a scrupulous scrutiny from you if I apply and get in. 

I didn't want to start focusing on specific cases, but in that campaign for example we also have your friend, who sometimes writes quite interesting things and other times has also given me the impression that he hasn't read the thread very well and writes the answer to complete the quota.

Apart from that, the member of that campaign I named before, who I think writes pretty decent, constructive posts, despite writing many posts throughout the week is this one:

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And that's where the magic of shitposting comes in Let's take the most active Stake worker for example: Legendary slapper made 102 posts in the last week. His last post in Gambling Discussion was #29252 on page 1463. There are endless pages of "people" talking to each other, or their own alt accounts. Nobody reads it, nobody cares.
This guy also gives me a chat AI spam vibe.

I understand what you mean, but that's not how it would be supposed to work. The idea is pre-filtering by that AI, such that it only shows you posts that are most likely shitposts and / or spam. We recognize those at first glance, so a computer program trained with enough data should be able to roughly categorize posts, as well. Only the ones most likely to be useless to the forum would be displayed, and even then, a human will still need to decide whether to report them or not.

It is not meant to 'decide what we see' algorithmically, rather just be a software to facilitate people's job to find posts that are to be considered report-'worthy'.

Exactly like that, just a bit... 'smarter'? But maybe that's not needed, after all. I'm all about keeping things simple and stupid, so if your method works fine (low false positive rate), that's great!

I must admit that while I spend a lot of time in this forum, I mostly visit and post in a handful of categories. Sometimes there is honestly nothing to write about, because since my last visit people either just posted interesting updates that I simply give merit to, or people didn't write any new posts or threads about a topic I'm interested or knowledgeable in at all. There are sometimes such 'quieter days' and even weeks, and sometimes there is much more discussion happening.
When I don't visit the forum for one or two days, my watch list is much fuller and I could easily spend a few hours just writing replies (although as mentioned, I avoid it if there's nothing I can really add to the discussion).

So I agree that even with unlimited time, there is a certain limit where you'll be waiting for people to reply to your posts / replies or you'd be looking at creating tons of new threads about generic things (there is only so much stuff you can actually research, play around with and become knowledgeable about in a certain timeframe). For many people, it will be most likely that they'll start visiting subforums that they got no knowledge about and just write generic threads and replies..

Let's put it this way: writing generic BS posts without reading anything can be done a lot faster than writing good posts. And if the campaign manager doesn't care, why would you? ("you" not being you personally in case that wasn't clear)

You may be right. Spam pays.

One could argue that anyone who understands basic math won't be gambling for weeks or even years in a row.

You haven't been looking very hard, then.


Oh, OK. Conspiracy theory about the DT system and stuff. Whatever.