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Quote from: creeps on December 30, 2018, 04:14:04 AM

Recently, a Korean National has been robbed here in my place while riding the Taxi going home and lose the money that he won in the casinos, Its around 4Million Pesos or $75,000. This is not new in gambling industry since many incidents like this before. Do you ever think its a real accident or its just an inside job where the employees of casinos are involve or the casino itself?

It might be but If this is connected to the casino this is terrible. How come you'll build a casino and then if your player won you will do like this? Maybe the opponent of winner the who made that robbery and may the taxi involved too. The reported video is so incomplete.

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Quote from: milewilda on January 04, 2019, 07:44:48 AM

Money is really the sole reason why do crimes do exist into these times.
Once a group or certain person is aware that you do hold up that big of money or even on an ordinary day that you are withdrawing money from your atm then you are still at risk.All because of money.
If you do care for your safety then you should know on what to do.

Yes, being a gambler or a sport person does not matter here. Big money alone. Being careful is always a necessary act and especially when carry any level amount, we need to be utmost alter so that we can avoid such incident what OP is stating here. Money attracts all these problems.

I suspect the trustworthy of that casino. Only people who were aware of his casino activity must be the culprit in that incident. As per general crime law, the first suspect must be people who are aware of such a big money. I'm not sure whom to blame. Because, being careful while travelling with big money must be a basic thing but we cannot expect that to be followed when a gambler is coming out of casino with big money and along with big excitements of winning.

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Quote from: eternalgloom on January 01, 2019, 09:35:11 AM

Why do casinos give such large winnings in cash?
There should really be an option to have that sort of money deposited straight to your bank account.

I imagine it could happen in my country (Belgium) as well, but not nearly as often though.
It's generally pretty safe here, aside from petty crime.

I think there was such an option, but probably the guy had chosen to not do it. It maybe has something to do with taxes. If you win $75,000 you have to pay taxes on that, right? And maybe the guy in question wanted to evade it. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish, as a proverb says. Another option, he was drunk and wasn't aware much of what he was doing. Don't drink and gamble, guys, because it's bad for your health and can be bad for your wealth as well. Be safe!

Knowing Philippines which they do really questioned out if theres something big amounts being credited on your bank account and that where 12% will be charged up incase.So, im aint surprised why
that dude opt out to get cash instead on direct bank transfer but well getting robbed is on exchange. We wont know if this is an inside job nor there are really people who
are targeting people who do make big winnings and wait for them outside.

Having 12% gotten from your winnings would be really hard and it would be a lot. There is a possibility where there are people who have already targeted the person. Knowing that he won a damn lot of money. You wouldn't really have a say unless you know the story. Big winnings are real magnets for disaster, that's for sure.

A disaster that can put your life in risk. He just got lucky to be safe, it is still his lucky day.
12% is really big and this is how banking system works, you work hard for that money and yet they will just get some of that money. But in terms of security, what is 12% if you can be sure that your money will be put in the right place and you will go home safely. I saw a lot of Korean who bought big cash in the casinos by just putting it on a bag, hopefully this can be a great lesson for them.

They wont never learn and would still stick to their own habits on bringing their funds or winnings on their bags and risking their lives.Money is really the sole reason why do crimes do exist into these times.
Once a group or certain person is aware that you do hold up that big of money or even on an ordinary day that you are withdrawing money from your atm then you are still at risk.All because of money.
If you do care for your safety then you should know on what to do.

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Talking from my experience that kind of thing is most likely an inside job. I mean not the Casino owner or it is officially supported by the casino, but a person that is working in the casino that knows the victim just won a huge amount of money. My friend had an experience like this when he went to Hongkong, he won about $160.000 in a single night, got robbed and beaten in his car, even before he left the casino. And when he report to the authorities and they got the robber, there is an inside job involved.

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Quote from: detector on January 01, 2019, 11:52:30 AM

It's highly possible that there are some casino effort on this incident. Bringing money , a lot of money need the policeman escort.
Because without them, somebody will not just get robbed but also got killed just like my people when the thief decide to shot the victim's head in gas station when he bring about $ 10.000 in a car !

Yeah I have heard this news but I could not claim that we have seen the same story with OP. It was happening here in the Philippines when a Korean National had won huge bet in the Casino but later on when he drove home with a taxi robbers block their way and force to take his money won from the Casino.

I agree with you since money is very hot to the eye of the thieves. Securing it first before going anywhere else must be observe and that is by hiring an escort going home.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on January 03, 2019, 06:34:21 PM

Quote from: NavI_027 on January 02, 2019, 04:30:42 AM

For me it has the same risks. Anyway, we all knew that casino players are very rich, then why they are not hiring bodyguards? It is very essential for them since they always have big money in their hands. (Or it's just like that robbers are overpowered every time this kind of incident happens).

Maybe this is one of those random player who won the jackpot and doesnt know what to do next. Imagine riding a cab with $75,000 USD in your hands all by yourself. He simply is a walking target. Someone might have spotted him in the casino premises already or maybe the guy who lost against him might one of the guys who robbed him. Korean guy is also at fault for not taking care of his own security.

He can't blame himself but surely he will learn a lot after what happened to him.
Winning that amount does not happen all the time in gambling, unless that's your range in gambling, but people who can afford that range have their own car, and maybe bodyguards, this guy is just a victim of an ordinary robbery in the Philippines, but sad for him as the amount involve is a big amount.

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Quote from: NavI_027 on January 02, 2019, 04:30:42 AM

For me it has the same risks. Anyway, we all knew that casino players are very rich, then why they are not hiring bodyguards? It is very essential for them since they always have big money in their hands. (Or it's just like that robbers are overpowered every time this kind of incident happens).

Maybe this is one of those random player who won the jackpot and doesnt know what to do next. Imagine riding a cab with $75,000 USD in your hands all by yourself. He simply is a walking target. Someone might have spotted him in the casino premises already or maybe the guy who lost against him might one of the guys who robbed him. Korean guy is also at fault for not taking care of his own security.

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Quote from: creeps on December 30, 2018, 04:14:04 AM

Do you ever think its a real accident or its just an inside job where the employees of casinos are involve or the casino itself?

For me this is an isolated case, so I think it was just an accident. If the owner of the casino is the mastermind behind then for sure he will lose even bigger if he was proven guilty. He will be sued and lead him to imprisonment plus his customers will be gone because of the bad reputation. Imagine the possible consequences, even me would not attempt to do that just for few millions in which I can earn in the first place. That's too risky.

Quote from: creeps on December 30, 2018, 04:14:04 AM

Now I’m wondering if its still safe to go to casinos or better to play online? What’s your thought about this?

For me it has the same risks. Anyway, we all knew that casino players are very rich, then why they are not hiring bodyguards? It is very essential for them since they always have big money in their hands. (Or it's just like that robbers are overpowered every time this kind of incident happens).

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Quote from: eternalgloom on January 01, 2019, 09:35:11 AM

Why do casinos give such large winnings in cash?
There should really be an option to have that sort of money deposited straight to your bank account.

I imagine it could happen in my country (Belgium) as well, but not nearly as often though.
It's generally pretty safe here, aside from petty crime.

I think there was such an option, but probably the guy had chosen to not do it. It maybe has something to do with taxes. If you win $75,000 you have to pay taxes on that, right? And maybe the guy in question wanted to evade it. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish, as a proverb says. Another option, he was drunk and wasn't aware much of what he was doing. Don't drink and gamble, guys, because it's bad for your health and can be bad for your wealth as well. Be safe!

Knowing Philippines which they do really questioned out if theres something big amounts being credited on your bank account and that where 12% will be charged up incase.So, im aint surprised why
that dude opt out to get cash instead on direct bank transfer but well getting robbed is on exchange. We wont know if this is an inside job nor there are really people who
are targeting people who do make big winnings and wait for them outside.

Having 12% gotten from your winnings would be really hard and it would be a lot. There is a possibility where there are people who have already targeted the person. Knowing that he won a damn lot of money. You wouldn't really have a say unless you know the story. Big winnings are real magnets for disaster, that's for sure.

A disaster that can put your life in risk. He just got lucky to be safe, it is still his lucky day.
12% is really big and this is how banking system works, you work hard for that money and yet they will just get some of that money. But in terms of security, what is 12% if you can be sure that your money will be put in the right place and you will go home safely. I saw a lot of Korean who bought big cash in the casinos by just putting it on a bag, hopefully this can be a great lesson for them.

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Quote from: omonuyak on January 02, 2019, 02:38:53 AM

This is bad but that is the risk in all this online stuff. Many bad things are been hinding at the back of online agreement. I also believe that gambling sites especially those unverified one are out to stole people's funds.

Did you even read the OP? The gambler came from a casino (tradional) and he did not won that 4 million pesos ($75,000 USD) from an online casino. I don't know where your comment fits in the OP but if you are just sharing your thoughts about the risks in online gambling then the risk is higher in gambling in traditional casinos just like what happened to this poor korean guy.

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This is bad but that is the risk in all this online stuff. Many bad things are been hinding at the back of online agreement. I also believe that gambling sites especially those unverified one are out to stole people's funds.

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Quote from: Coffeemaker on January 01, 2019, 08:33:21 PM

Poor guy . I guess he was followed before he get out from the casino . Sound like inside job with gang member waiting outside to catch him off guard

We are not sure about that because we don't know the truth of the story so we could only guess. But it might possible if he was followed by someone and that person was pretending to be a taxi driver and finally, he can get that money from the gambler. That is what I've been a worry if I go to the casino places and I think it's not just in the casino because if we want to go to one place, we should be careful because crime will always there and watching and will taking the opportunity if we are not aware.

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Quote from: STT on January 01, 2019, 09:10:11 PM

Quote from: peter0425 on December 30, 2018, 05:21:29 AM

Yes I was aware of that news. Robbers also frequent casino and they look for someone who won big and if yo are not locals, then you are a likely target. One way to prevent that it is to go and check-in the hotels just to be safe and just go home when you think that you are not being followed. What is just a day of relaxing and treating yourself like a King for a day, well at least that's what my fellow gamblers do when they won big.

Absolutely, the perfect excuse and really the casino should be comping a room for winners anyway. It'd could be standard practise to encourage players to stick around and play some more rather then go home immediately.
Always mix up factors to be less predictable if possible. I mean thats a ton of cash to be carrying around, I would be so paranoid at that point.

I dont immediately assume the building employees are suspect certainly anyone long term has an interest not giving their business a bad reputation but anyone in the surrounding taxi or hospitality staff could observe as much anyway. I have worked in places where staff were not on the level, its not always the obvious choice thats behind something like this but they'll always go after the easiest target.

For example I would phone for my own taxi that I use regularly etc

I'm assuming that its a casino standard to let big winners stay for a day just to keep them playing. That's why I was surprised why the Korean did take or maybe he was not offered or maybe he turn it down because he was excited to get home and he thought that he was really safe. But criminals are too clever and one step ahead of the game, and thus this unfortunate thing happened to him.

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Quote from: Jating on January 01, 2019, 09:37:25 PM

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Quote from: creeps on December 30, 2018, 04:14:04 AM

Recently, a Korean National has been robbed here in my place while riding the Taxi going home and lose the money that he won in the casinos, Its around 4Million Pesos or $75,000. This is not new in gambling industry since many incidents like this before. Do you ever think its a real accident or its just an inside job where the employees of casinos are involve or the casino itself?

This is a once in a lifetime opportunities to become a millionaire, and yet it is being taken easily by a more greedy people. Now I’m wondering if its still safe to go to casinos or better to play online? What’s your thought about this?

Here’s the link for your reference (it’s not translated in english but I’ve already share the summary of this news):
https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/balitambayan/balita/679284/koreanong-nanalo-ng-p4m-sa-casino-hinoldap-sa-pasay/story/

Most likely it was an insider or someone employed by the casino to rob him, but there were other possibilities such as the people who were there when he won a big victory by watching the game. That's why online gambling is now more popular because there are many security reasons there.

I doubt that it's a inside job, no cell phones is allowed if employees are in the floor so there's no way that they if they connived with a gang or something, to communicate and identify the target. It was one of the gang's member who saw the man winning, and he works with the outside member once the man went out.

other casinos on our country is not strict and i saw that employees can use self phones . it might be an inside job and it can also be an outside job . securities inside the casino cant also guarantee the players safety because what if the crime will happen outside ? but atleast installing some cctv's can be a good help . its also a good idea if we can bring some friends whenever we play gambling outside our house because you cant easily harmed if you arent alone .

the best possible option to is to just play online gambling , so that no can beat you or threat you . you are free as a bird and you can do what you want not unlike to casino or gambling outside that you cant express your feelings because you are too scared on what others think to you .

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Quote from: hahay on January 01, 2019, 09:08:41 PM

Quote from: creeps on December 30, 2018, 04:14:04 AM

Recently, a Korean National has been robbed here in my place while riding the Taxi going home and lose the money that he won in the casinos, Its around 4Million Pesos or $75,000. This is not new in gambling industry since many incidents like this before. Do you ever think its a real accident or its just an inside job where the employees of casinos are involve or the casino itself?

This is a once in a lifetime opportunities to become a millionaire, and yet it is being taken easily by a more greedy people. Now I’m wondering if its still safe to go to casinos or better to play online? What’s your thought about this?

Here’s the link for your reference (it’s not translated in english but I’ve already share the summary of this news):
https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/balitambayan/balita/679284/koreanong-nanalo-ng-p4m-sa-casino-hinoldap-sa-pasay/story/

Most likely it was an insider or someone employed by the casino to rob him, but there were other possibilities such as the people who were there when he won a big victory by watching the game. That's why online gambling is now more popular because there are many security reasons there.

I doubt that it's a inside job, no cell phones is allowed if employees are in the floor so there's no way that they if they connived with a gang or something, to communicate and identify the target. It was one of the gang's member who saw the man winning, and he works with the outside member once the man went out.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 30, 2018, 05:21:29 AM

Yes I was aware of that news. Robbers also frequent casino and they look for someone who won big and if yo are not locals, then you are a likely target. One way to prevent that it is to go and check-in the hotels just to be safe and just go home when you think that you are not being followed. What is just a day of relaxing and treating yourself like a King for a day, well at least that's what my fellow gamblers do when they won big.

Absolutely, the perfect excuse and really the casino should be comping a room for winners anyway. It'd could be standard practise to encourage players to stick around and play some more rather then go home immediately.
Always mix up factors to be less predictable if possible. I mean thats a ton of cash to be carrying around, I would be so paranoid at that point.

I dont immediately assume the building employees are suspect certainly anyone long term has an interest not giving their business a bad reputation but anyone in the surrounding taxi or hospitality staff could observe as much anyway. I have worked in places where staff were not on the level, its not always the obvious choice thats behind something like this but they'll always go after the easiest target.

For example I would phone for my own taxi that I use regularly etc

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Quote from: creeps on December 30, 2018, 04:14:04 AM

Recently, a Korean National has been robbed here in my place while riding the Taxi going home and lose the money that he won in the casinos, Its around 4Million Pesos or $75,000. This is not new in gambling industry since many incidents like this before. Do you ever think its a real accident or its just an inside job where the employees of casinos are involve or the casino itself?

This is a once in a lifetime opportunities to become a millionaire, and yet it is being taken easily by a more greedy people. Now I’m wondering if its still safe to go to casinos or better to play online? What’s your thought about this?

Here’s the link for your reference (it’s not translated in english but I’ve already share the summary of this news):
https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/balitambayan/balita/679284/koreanong-nanalo-ng-p4m-sa-casino-hinoldap-sa-pasay/story/

Most likely it was an insider or someone employed by the casino to rob him, but there were other possibilities such as the people who were there when he won a big victory by watching the game. That's why online gambling is now more popular because there are many security reasons there.

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Poor guy . I guess he was followed before he get out from the casino . Sound like inside job with gang member waiting outside to catch him off guard

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Quote from: milewilda on January 01, 2019, 05:48:58 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on January 01, 2019, 10:24:37 AM

Quote from: eternalgloom on January 01, 2019, 09:35:11 AM

Why do casinos give such large winnings in cash?
There should really be an option to have that sort of money deposited straight to your bank account.

I imagine it could happen in my country (Belgium) as well, but not nearly as often though.
It's generally pretty safe here, aside from petty crime.

I think there was such an option, but probably the guy had chosen to not do it. It maybe has something to do with taxes. If you win $75,000 you have to pay taxes on that, right? And maybe the guy in question wanted to evade it. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish, as a proverb says. Another option, he was drunk and wasn't aware much of what he was doing. Don't drink and gamble, guys, because it's bad for your health and can be bad for your wealth as well. Be safe!

Knowing Philippines which they do really questioned out if theres something big amounts being credited on your bank account and that where 12% will be charged up incase.So, im aint surprised why
that dude opt out to get cash instead on direct bank transfer but well getting robbed is on exchange. We wont know if this is an inside job nor there are really people who
are targeting people who do make big winnings and wait for them outside.

Having 12% gotten from your winnings would be really hard and it would be a lot. There is a possibility where there are people who have already targeted the person. Knowing that he won a damn lot of money. You wouldn't really have a say unless you know the story. Big winnings are real magnets for disaster, that's for sure.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 01, 2019, 10:24:37 AM

Quote from: eternalgloom on January 01, 2019, 09:35:11 AM

Why do casinos give such large winnings in cash?
There should really be an option to have that sort of money deposited straight to your bank account.

I imagine it could happen in my country (Belgium) as well, but not nearly as often though.
It's generally pretty safe here, aside from petty crime.

I think there was such an option, but probably the guy had chosen to not do it. It maybe has something to do with taxes. If you win $75,000 you have to pay taxes on that, right? And maybe the guy in question wanted to evade it. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish, as a proverb says. Another option, he was drunk and wasn't aware much of what he was doing. Don't drink and gamble, guys, because it's bad for your health and can be bad for your wealth as well. Be safe!

Knowing Philippines which they do really questioned out if theres something big amounts being credited on your bank account and that where 12% will be charged up incase.So, im aint surprised why
that dude opt out to get cash instead on direct bank transfer but well getting robbed is on exchange. We wont know if this is an inside job nor there are really people who
are targeting people who do make big winnings and wait for them outside.

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