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legendary
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Contrary to the popular belief , casinos don't have huge profit margin. From my experience , they have less than 10%, after they pay all the taxes and licenses, and taxes for these kind of business are quite high. Truth to be told,i worked in Europe where taxes on these things are quite high, some specific places like Vegas or Macau might have lower taxes.
So it is not so easy, to just open casino and make easy money.
If you look at a real casino, then the payout percentage is up to 98%. And the casino lives on these 2% very well) The main thing here is to have a big turnaround. In an online casino, it is not known what percentage is paid. And this is the main problem.

98% payout might happen only in short period of time like few weeks, but in the long run casino wouldn't be able to function with that kind of payout percentage. It would be hard for casino to pay taxes, licenses, salaries etc with 2% and keep on running for a longer period.
From my work experience  in casinos, payout percentage is approximately 90% (talking about 1 year period).
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Contrary to the popular belief , casinos don't have huge profit margin. From my experience , they have less than 10%, after they pay all the taxes and licenses, and taxes for these kind of business are quite high. Truth to be told,i worked in Europe where taxes on these things are quite high, some specific places like Vegas or Macau might have lower taxes.
So it is not so easy, to just open casino and make easy money.
If you look at a real casino, then the payout percentage is up to 98%. And the casino lives on these 2% very well) The main thing here is to have a big turnaround. In an online casino, it is not known what percentage is paid. And this is the main problem.
legendary
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You can call yourself as a professional gambler or whatever who make a living out of it successfully for years ... until the time where you lost everything because of gambling come.
I don't think people who go home with nothing but stories of the casino after losing everything can be called professionals!
Well you have a point because professionals has the ability to be almost perfect on their field before they can claim professionalism but before that they cannot be considered as one.
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In my opinion, most of the so called "professionals" are just people who were lucky enough to be in profit from their gambling activity for several years in row. When some of them lose big time we just forget about them, and don't call them "professionals" any more, but we always have others taking their place. I watched a lot of high stakes poker games on YouTube, and I can say there is nothing special about most of the players there. They make mistakes, like anyone else, and lose a lot, and sometimes they win big because of luck, and that's pretty much it.


Maybe you watched those poker games on YouTube, but seems like you didn't pay much attention if you think it is all about luck. Poker is complex game, where risk management is incredibly important, and relying on luck won't get you far. Maybe once or twice you can luck your way out to final table at some big poker tournament, but certainly it wont happen often, like it is case with top poker players.

Just check  players like Daniel Negreanu and Scotty Nguyen, they are professionals for decades, and you don't stay at that level by sheer luck, for that you need skill. Sure they made mistakes, like every professional in every sport imaginable, sometimes even a lot of them, but in the end, they make nice living out of it.
legendary
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Would you consider someone working in a POGO (Philippine offshore gaming operator) type of business as living out from Gambling? They are the ones who take bets online and recently there's a lot of Chinese citizen going to the Philippines to work in a BPO type set up.

How about those who collects bets for the illegal numbers game? In the morning I see this guy in a bicycle roaming around the city and will collect bets for the illegal numbers game and in the afternoon he will return with the winnings if someone wins.
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You can call yourself as a professional gambler or whatever who make a living out of it successfully for years ... until the time where you lost everything because of gambling come.
I don't think people who go home with nothing but stories of the casino after losing everything can be called professionals!
Well you have a point because professionals has the ability to be almost perfect on their field before they can claim professionalism but before that they cannot be considered as one.
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In my opinion, most of the so called "professionals" are just people who were lucky enough to be in profit from their gambling activity for several years in row. When some of them lose big time we just forget about them, and don't call them "professionals" any more, but we always have others taking their place. I watched a lot of high stakes poker games on YouTube, and I can say there is nothing special about most of the players there. They make mistakes, like anyone else, and lose a lot, and sometimes they win big because of luck, and that's pretty much it.
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It’s very difficult to make a casino yourself. There is an opportunity to invest in an already functioning gaming site. And there are actually a lot of such sites that want to attract investors for their business. One such site is Mintdice https://mintdice.com/guide/investing But I am not familiar with the details of investing.

Online casino are not difficult to make, a simple Google online will reveal people who are selling its scripts depending on the casinos site you want the script like. There are now even software for simple setup and installation but one thing players will miss is the uniqueness in such site

Well, that depends on the specific definition of "making a casino yourself"

If you ask me (for example), running a casino script in the Internet is not exactly the same as making a casino yourself (as in self-made man). It doesn't take a lot to start the script and make it public. That's a piece of cake really. It is attracting experienced, hard-nosed and pragmatic gamblers (then getting them to stay) what makes the game

Look at the lengths that the new kids in this kindergarten go to in order to get there. PrimeDice had to run a signature campaign on the forum for long months to make itself a recognized name, but they were essentially first comers and had that unbeatable first mover advantage. Now it takes a lot more than just running a signature campaign here
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The remaining 1% are those who are making a living from gambling.
That's means gambling industry are so rich because they take the 99% chance of making money compared to only 1% of their gamblers who make a living in gambling. I don't know what percentage exactly but I do believe it's possible to make a living in gambling and 1% is just too small, maybe like 5%, but like I said, I really don't know because I myself is not making a living in gambling although in the past I tried to find ways to make it possible, but failed.
Its hard to determine the rate, but it's easy to determine who really are making profit in gambling, and it's non other than the gambling operators.
Aiming to make gambling as a living is a hard job, maybe the hardest kind of job in this world as we know that majority of the gamblers loses over time.

If we have enough capital, maybe the easiest way to make a living in gambling is just to start our own casino or gambling sites.

Contrary to the popular belief , casinos don't have huge profit margin. From my experience , they have less than 10%, after they pay all the taxes and licenses, and taxes for these kind of business are quite high. Truth to be told,i worked in Europe where taxes on these things are quite high, some specific places like Vegas or Macau might have lower taxes.

So it is not so easy, to just open casino and make easy money.

Interesting. People don't take those aspects into consideration when they imagine what owners of businesses are making.
If making money by owning a gambling company is that easy many failed gambling companies would still be in existence.
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It’s very difficult to make a casino yourself. There is an opportunity to invest in an already functioning gaming site. And there are actually a lot of such sites that want to attract investors for their business. One such site is Mintdice https://mintdice.com/guide/investing But I am not familiar with the details of investing.

Online casino are not difficult to make, a simple Google online will reveal people who are selling its scripts depending on the casinos site you want the script like. There are now even software for simple setup and installation but one thing players will miss is the uniqueness in such site.

Everyone will get the script based code according to their budget, but they need to secure the Casino website from the hackers because buying a script and installation is very easy but to gain trust in the Gambling market is a really tough job. You need to prove yourself you are the best casino website with all sorts of person's funds.
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It’s very difficult to make a casino yourself. There is an opportunity to invest in an already functioning gaming site. And there are actually a lot of such sites that want to attract investors for their business. One such site is Mintdice https://mintdice.com/guide/investing But I am not familiar with the details of investing.

Online casino are not difficult to make, a simple Google online will reveal people who are selling its scripts depending on the casinos site you want the script like. There are now even software for simple setup and installation but one thing players will miss is the uniqueness in such site.
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professionals does not do that, they gamble regularly and they will only stop when they needed to, either they will win or lose.
Yes, they gamble regularly but a professional gambler knows how to stop and it happens mostly if they keep on losing.
I disagree with this. I think the professional gamblers are those who are in the tournament. And aside from it, every player that is not playing in a match is not professional at all. Because there's a gambler that is always winning and living the life through gambling, but he is professional because he is just a simple player, those people that are joining the tournament is the one that is professional because they compete for the title. Professionalism is not something to be claimed when you are good at something, but it is when you are fighting for something.
There's several gambling tournaments just like poker that's need a Professionalism to win.
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A good amount is not a small amount, of course we can stop for awhile and enjoy it, I've done that many times in my life.
Therefore I can say that I am not a professional in gambling
A good amount depends on how you accept that amount is.

For example, you've won a small amount but you think that's acceptable then that's a good amount for you. Not every gambler is not contented with every small wins that we have. There are still gamblers that are happy already as long as they've won small rather than losing big.

professionals does not do that, they gamble regularly and they will only stop when they needed to, either they will win or lose.
Yes, they gamble regularly but a professional gambler knows how to stop and it happens mostly if they keep on losing.
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The remaining 1% are those who are making a living from gambling.
That's means gambling industry are so rich because they take the 99% chance of making money compared to only 1% of their gamblers who make a living in gambling. I don't know what percentage exactly but I do believe it's possible to make a living in gambling and 1% is just too small, maybe like 5%, but like I said, I really don't know because I myself is not making a living in gambling although in the past I tried to find ways to make it possible, but failed.
Its hard to determine the rate, but it's easy to determine who really are making profit in gambling, and it's non other than the gambling operators.
Aiming to make gambling as a living is a hard job, maybe the hardest kind of job in this world as we know that majority of the gamblers loses over time.

If we have enough capital, maybe the easiest way to make a living in gambling is just to start our own casino or gambling sites.
It’s very difficult to make a casino yourself. There is an opportunity to invest in an already functioning gaming site. And there are actually a lot of such sites that want to attract investors for their business. One such site is Mintdice https://mintdice.com/guide/investing But I am not familiar with the details of investing.
You make a good point and I also support the act of investing in gambling bankroll cause is another way of making passive income. However, the creation of a gambling site is a long process but ones don't need to have huge capital before he can create a because he can just make use of IEO scheme if have what it take.
legendary
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The remaining 1% are those who are making a living from gambling.
That's means gambling industry are so rich because they take the 99% chance of making money compared to only 1% of their gamblers who make a living in gambling. I don't know what percentage exactly but I do believe it's possible to make a living in gambling and 1% is just too small, maybe like 5%, but like I said, I really don't know because I myself is not making a living in gambling although in the past I tried to find ways to make it possible, but failed.
Its hard to determine the rate, but it's easy to determine who really are making profit in gambling, and it's non other than the gambling operators.
Aiming to make gambling as a living is a hard job, maybe the hardest kind of job in this world as we know that majority of the gamblers loses over time.

If we have enough capital, maybe the easiest way to make a living in gambling is just to start our own casino or gambling sites.
It’s very difficult to make a casino yourself. There is an opportunity to invest in an already functioning gaming site. And there are actually a lot of such sites that want to attract investors for their business. One such site is Mintdice https://mintdice.com/guide/investing But I am not familiar with the details of investing.
Of course no one can easily make a casino everyone will have to rely on premade or available casino. If all those casino are ready to provide profit with safety people can invest but most of them are scammers so we should avoid fake and illegal sites for online gambling I also would like this site either it has good offers for new investors or not.
Hard decisions is always come on initial phase when we do tend to invest into a particular online casino specially when start ups.
We cant easily tell which one is legit and which one is scam but there are lots of factors for you to check if that one is worthy to invest on or not.
It depends on how you investigate or escalate the factors that would convince you to throw up some funds.
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The remaining 1% are those who are making a living from gambling.
That's means gambling industry are so rich because they take the 99% chance of making money compared to only 1% of their gamblers who make a living in gambling. I don't know what percentage exactly but I do believe it's possible to make a living in gambling and 1% is just too small, maybe like 5%, but like I said, I really don't know because I myself is not making a living in gambling although in the past I tried to find ways to make it possible, but failed.
Its hard to determine the rate, but it's easy to determine who really are making profit in gambling, and it's non other than the gambling operators.
Aiming to make gambling as a living is a hard job, maybe the hardest kind of job in this world as we know that majority of the gamblers loses over time.

If we have enough capital, maybe the easiest way to make a living in gambling is just to start our own casino or gambling sites.
It’s very difficult to make a casino yourself. There is an opportunity to invest in an already functioning gaming site. And there are actually a lot of such sites that want to attract investors for their business. One such site is Mintdice https://mintdice.com/guide/investing But I am not familiar with the details of investing.
Of course no one can easily make a casino everyone will have to rely on premade or available casino. If all those casino are ready to provide profit with safety people can invest but most of them are scammers so we should avoid fake and illegal sites for online gambling I also would like this site either it has good offers for new investors or not.
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You can call yourself as a professional gambler or whatever who make a living out of it successfully for years ... until the time where you lost everything because of gambling come.
I don't think people who go home with nothing but stories of the casino after losing everything can be called professionals!
Well you have a point because professionals has the ability to be almost perfect on their field before they can claim professionalism but before that they cannot be considered as one.
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You need to make bank to be considered a professional gambler and as far as I know such people that make it out with a good pay cheque at the end of their games do exist and I have seen and read about them ,year in year out.

Not necessarily bank but atleast you can win 60-80% in your field or in gambling career to be one professional gamblers(all of these is my views as very few are turn successful by gambling itself)
legendary
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The remaining 1% are those who are making a living from gambling.
That's means gambling industry are so rich because they take the 99% chance of making money compared to only 1% of their gamblers who make a living in gambling. I don't know what percentage exactly but I do believe it's possible to make a living in gambling and 1% is just too small, maybe like 5%, but like I said, I really don't know because I myself is not making a living in gambling although in the past I tried to find ways to make it possible, but failed.
Its hard to determine the rate, but it's easy to determine who really are making profit in gambling, and it's non other than the gambling operators.
Aiming to make gambling as a living is a hard job, maybe the hardest kind of job in this world as we know that majority of the gamblers loses over time.

If we have enough capital, maybe the easiest way to make a living in gambling is just to start our own casino or gambling sites.

Contrary to the popular belief , casinos don't have huge profit margin. From my experience , they have less than 10%, after they pay all the taxes and licenses, and taxes for these kind of business are quite high. Truth to be told,i worked in Europe where taxes on these things are quite high, some specific places like Vegas or Macau might have lower taxes.

So it is not so easy, to just open casino and make easy money

I guess the question raised in this topic is more about online casinos

As it appears, they also should register their business somewhere as you can see references to places like Curacao (which seems to be a casino paradise). But other than that, I don't think you will have to pay any taxes as it would be hard to independently confirm the profits earned by a particular casino (though I can be wrong, of course). But it is still an interesting question to learn what their expenses are in this department (license costs, taxes, etc)

Well, when it comes to online casinos i am not sure what is procedure regarding licenses and how it goes, but i am sure that you have to pay taxes as any other online business. But it is more convenient to register your company somewhere with lower taxes.

Regarding physical casinos, beside all the taxes you have to pay, there are licenses too, and they are not cheap. Beside casinos, for some time i worked in something  we call in my country ''Automat Club" , where you only have slot machines and electronic roulette, no live stuff.It was relatively small place, we had 60-70 slot machines and 2 electronic roulettes, and for 1 year license i think my employer had to pay 15000 euro,that's something like 16.5k USD (that was back in 2008), and when you add on that all possible taxes that are higher than for some regular business, you don't end with huge profit.

After working there, i must say i respect anyone going into that business, it ain't as easy as some would like to think.
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The remaining 1% are those who are making a living from gambling.
That's means gambling industry are so rich because they take the 99% chance of making money compared to only 1% of their gamblers who make a living in gambling. I don't know what percentage exactly but I do believe it's possible to make a living in gambling and 1% is just too small, maybe like 5%, but like I said, I really don't know because I myself is not making a living in gambling although in the past I tried to find ways to make it possible, but failed.
Its hard to determine the rate, but it's easy to determine who really are making profit in gambling, and it's non other than the gambling operators.
Aiming to make gambling as a living is a hard job, maybe the hardest kind of job in this world as we know that majority of the gamblers loses over time.

If we have enough capital, maybe the easiest way to make a living in gambling is just to start our own casino or gambling sites.

Contrary to the popular belief , casinos don't have huge profit margin. From my experience , they have less than 10%, after they pay all the taxes and licenses, and taxes for these kind of business are quite high. Truth to be told,i worked in Europe where taxes on these things are quite high, some specific places like Vegas or Macau might have lower taxes.

So it is not so easy, to just open casino and make easy money

I guess the question raised in this topic is more about online casinos

As it appears, they also should register their business somewhere as you can see references to places like Curacao (which seems to be a casino paradise). But other than that, I don't think you will have to pay any taxes as it would be hard to independently confirm the profits earned by a particular casino (though I can be wrong, of course). But it is still an interesting question to learn what their expenses are in this department (license costs, taxes, etc)
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The remaining 1% are those who are making a living from gambling.
That's means gambling industry are so rich because they take the 99% chance of making money compared to only 1% of their gamblers who make a living in gambling. I don't know what percentage exactly but I do believe it's possible to make a living in gambling and 1% is just too small, maybe like 5%, but like I said, I really don't know because I myself is not making a living in gambling although in the past I tried to find ways to make it possible, but failed.
Its hard to determine the rate, but it's easy to determine who really are making profit in gambling, and it's non other than the gambling operators.
Aiming to make gambling as a living is a hard job, maybe the hardest kind of job in this world as we know that majority of the gamblers loses over time.

If we have enough capital, maybe the easiest way to make a living in gambling is just to start our own casino or gambling sites.

Contrary to the popular belief , casinos don't have huge profit margin. From my experience , they have less than 10%, after they pay all the taxes and licenses, and taxes for these kind of business are quite high. Truth to be told,i worked in Europe where taxes on these things are quite high, some specific places like Vegas or Macau might have lower taxes.

So it is not so easy, to just open casino and make easy money.
Well, you don't pay taxes if you are not making an income, so basically those casinos who pays taxes are making, regardless of how high the taxes they will paid, they will still up profitable as the basic computation in account is (gross income, less, expenses, taxes, and net income).

This industry would also not grow if making business here is not profitable in general.
If a businessman have a capital, he might gamble in this kind of business, and if he can compete and make customers satisfied, then I think his casino will eventually become popular.
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If we have enough capital, maybe the easiest way to make a living in gambling is just to start our own casino or gambling sites.

Contrary to the popular belief , casinos don't have huge profit margin. From my experience , they have less than 10%, after they pay all the taxes and licenses, and taxes for these kind of business are quite high. Truth to be told,i worked in Europe where taxes on these things are quite high, some specific places like Vegas or Macau might have lower taxes.

So it is not so easy, to just open casino and make easy money.

You are right. I'm already sick of hearing how much money casinos make. If it was true, anyone could borrow money, open a casino and prosper ever after. Firstly, many casinos go bankrupt. Secondly, I think that after deduction of taxes and all other expenses, they make much less than 10% of the amount wagered on their site. I even think that they make much less than 5%, actually.

As of being a professional gambler, most of them have sponsors. Very few poker players can afford hundreds of thousands USD buy-ins, so they've got that covered by rich people or companies, whom they either advertise or share the winnings with them.

legendary
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The remaining 1% are those who are making a living from gambling.
That's means gambling industry are so rich because they take the 99% chance of making money compared to only 1% of their gamblers who make a living in gambling. I don't know what percentage exactly but I do believe it's possible to make a living in gambling and 1% is just too small, maybe like 5%, but like I said, I really don't know because I myself is not making a living in gambling although in the past I tried to find ways to make it possible, but failed.
Its hard to determine the rate, but it's easy to determine who really are making profit in gambling, and it's non other than the gambling operators.
Aiming to make gambling as a living is a hard job, maybe the hardest kind of job in this world as we know that majority of the gamblers loses over time.

If we have enough capital, maybe the easiest way to make a living in gambling is just to start our own casino or gambling sites.

Contrary to the popular belief , casinos don't have huge profit margin. From my experience , they have less than 10%, after they pay all the taxes and licenses, and taxes for these kind of business are quite high. Truth to be told,i worked in Europe where taxes on these things are quite high, some specific places like Vegas or Macau might have lower taxes.

So it is not so easy, to just open casino and make easy money.
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