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June 20, 2022, 04:35:05 AM
#54
That's right, we appreciate the Bm. His hard work and dedication (campaign preparation)
I know it takes extra time and energy to prepare (both designs, treads or bB code for signatures).
I think only few managers who manage the campaign and design the signature for the participants, so they're mostly only need good persuading and communicating skills with the team. Some managers even risking himself to pay with their own pocket money because the team didn't send the money yet to the managers, such managers have my respect since not all want to do this.

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Yes, that's what I think is a slight difference between the altcoin paid bounty and the btc (gambling company) paid signature service.
It's not slight difference, but "Soooo far" difference since bounty paid with worthless coins and a lot of spammers.

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I think gambling companies provide good payments (bitcoin) also in terms of the form of providing promotions and introducing their company.
to be known by many people and easy to remember.
You're correct, 1xbit conduct few campaigns for a year and now I easy to remember if they're scam casino.
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betfury
June 19, 2022, 04:59:47 PM
#53
That's right, we appreciate the Bm. His hard work and dedication (campaign preparation)
I know it takes extra time and energy to prepare (both designs, treads or bB code for signatures).
Gambling wants, whether it's relaxing (preparing it later at some time later / it continues as usual.
For the 2 companies that op mentioned I think it's been around for a long time and is paying well. I hope any campaign continues well.



When paired with a bounty. on the board various payments one of which does not use bitcoin.
This means that everyone can participate and developers also have space to promote without having a lot of capital in the sense that they can produce tokens belonging to their new company. And the tokens distributed sometimes take longer or even months depending on the developer.
In contrast to bitcoin payments which are usually paid weekly, this is always on time and has clear value.
Yes, that's what I think is a slight difference between the altcoin paid bounty and the btc (gambling company) paid signature service.

between token sales (new altcoins) it's not as dense as some users' interest to play and have fun in gambling(maybe more and faster)

I think gambling companies provide good payments (bitcoin) also in terms of the form of providing promotions and introducing their company.
to be known by many people and easy to remember.
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May 21, 2022, 02:14:48 PM
#52
~snip~.
I share your opinion when it comes to signatures. I don't have them disabled and I don't mind seeing them. I participate in a signature campaign and feel it would be insincere or hypocritical of me to disable forum signatures. I know at least one forum member from the ChipMixer campaign who stated a few years ago that he/she has signatures disabled. The name isn't important and everyone has the freedom to do what they want on Bitcointalk. I personally don't agree with it though.

Some people may like to read the text without any distraction of ads and they can disable the signatures if they want but as said by you, it's our personal preference to see the signatures or not but from my perspective, the bitcointalk pages seem dull without the signatures. Also by seeing the signatures, you might find some project,
company, or offer that you might be interested in joining.
Those who find the signature ad distracting should avoid wearing them on their profile as well, so they don't distract the next person. That is only one paragraph point.
hero member
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May 21, 2022, 01:45:57 PM
#51
And since some of these users have a signature on their profile, why would you block yourself from seeing other companies while promoting your own? It's difficult to tell who disables signatures, but it appears to be cheating except for those who don't have any company signatures.
I share your opinion when it comes to signatures. I don't have them disabled and I don't mind seeing them. I participate in a signature campaign and feel it would be insincere or hypocritical of me to disable forum signatures. I know at least one forum member from the ChipMixer campaign who stated a few years ago that he/she has signatures disabled. The name isn't important and everyone has the freedom to do what they want on Bitcointalk. I personally don't agree with it though.

Some people may like to read the text without any distraction of ads and they can disable the signatures if they want but as said by you, it's our personal preference to see the signatures or not but from my perspective, the bitcointalk pages seem dull without the signatures. Also by seeing the signatures, you might find some project, company, or offer that you might be interested in joining.
legendary
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May 20, 2022, 07:05:32 AM
#50
When you put up an ad, you target users who are likely to use your service, which is why Chipmixers and Bestchange don't accept users who mostly post in gambling boards. These campaigns mostly target users who post in Bitcoin discussion boards who are likely to use their services. Users who post about gambling are only of interest to casino companies because they are likely to use their services. I don't think there's much to discuss; it's just a standard way of running an ad to get the best results.
ChipMixer wants a presence on all sub boards as long as they can find suitable users to advertise them properly. Take a look at Trofo, for example. He is part of the ChipMixer campaign.

Trofo has written around 9000 posts on Bitcointalk. Almost 4000 of those are in the Gambling discussion sub.
The other forum subs he likes writing in include Altcoins (Hrvatski), Hrvatski (Croatian), Gambling, and Games and rounds. Actually, if you look at his all-time stats as shown on Ninjastic.space, his TOP 10 sub-forums are not Bitcoin-related. The Services section is in some way. Everything else is gambling, Croatian local, and altcoin boards.     
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May 20, 2022, 03:41:36 AM
#49

Finally, the campaign promoters are also gamblers, which makes the game sweeter. Get paid by the company, use the payment made by the company to bet in the company and it will look as if you have nothing to lose.
Yeah, this is something that isn't often talked about. The thing is, the signature campaigns usually are looking for those that post in the gambling sections, and therefore they already know they're gamblers, and most likely gamble with their Bitcoin.
You wouldn't expect them to target users on P&S or B&H because it has nothing to do with what they offer. When you put up an ad, you target users who are likely to use your service, which is why Chipmixers and Bestchange don't accept users who mostly post in gambling boards. These campaigns mostly target users who post in Bitcoin discussion boards who are likely to use their services. Users who post about gambling are only of interest to casino companies because they are likely to use their services. I don't think there's much to discuss; it's just a standard way of running an ad to get the best results.

I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of those advertising gambling websites, gamble a lot of their signature income on that exact website they're advertising for. Not like that's a bad thing if they can afford to lose it. Although, it's definitely one of the reasons you see gambling signature campaigns going on for longer than others.
You are not wrong either, which is why most casino companies prefer to pay participants with usernames rather than BTC addresses, as it is easier to entice someone into playing and sometimes you end up giving them back what they paid you, most people work for free because they keep playing with their signature payment and never win, so basically, the majority promote for free.

signatures. I know at least one forum member from the ChipMixer campaign who stated a few years ago that he/she has signatures disabled. The name isn't important and everyone has the freedom to do what they want on Bitcointalk. I personally don't agree with it though.
Yes, we know who they are, but one thing is certain: if everyone acts like them, there will be no signature campaign; you can't make money from something you despise; it demonstrates dishonesty, disloyalty, greed, selfishness, and unwanted behavior, and such people should not be allowed to participate.
legendary
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May 20, 2022, 02:25:53 AM
#48
And since some of these users have a signature on their profile, why would you block yourself from seeing other companies while promoting your own? It's difficult to tell who disables signatures, but it appears to be cheating except for those who don't have any company signatures.
I share your opinion when it comes to signatures. I don't have them disabled and I don't mind seeing them. I participate in a signature campaign and feel it would be insincere or hypocritical of me to disable forum signatures. I know at least one forum member from the ChipMixer campaign who stated a few years ago that he/she has signatures disabled. The name isn't important and everyone has the freedom to do what they want on Bitcointalk. I personally don't agree with it though.
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May 20, 2022, 12:34:18 AM
#47
In today's affiliate marketing landscape, gambling is among the most popular industries. This industry is constantly expanding. There are a number of advantages to gambling online. Obviously, achieving this kind of high ROI has always been easier, the attraction is still not the same, but honestly, popularity has increased much more since then. It is more of a long-term strategy, so the results will last longer. Everything is going well and both parties are satisfied. Despite earning huge amounts, the gambling site only remitted a few sums to us for marketing purposes. Nevertheless, we're happy!
legendary
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May 19, 2022, 09:05:55 PM
#46
I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of those advertising gambling websites, gamble a lot of their signature income on that exact website they're advertising for. Not like that's a bad thing if they can afford to lose it. Although, it's definitely one of the reasons you see gambling signature campaigns going on for longer than others.

We discussed something similar in a thread I opened in the Service Discussion section:

Do you think that some signature campaigns prioritize clients in some cases?

It is not that some end up betting, and losing, what they earn in the signature campaign in the casino they advertise, it is that some bet and lose much more. Someone used the term degenerate gambler to refer to them and we had a consensus that it would be quite profitable for campaigns to choose one over a quality poster who is not a casino customer.

I don't think that's the key to the success of gambling signature campaigns, though, that only accounts for a small part of the profitability. I think that in general there are a lot of gamblers on the forum and a lot of gambling is done in Bitcoin, that's why advertising on the forum works for the casinos.
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May 19, 2022, 06:05:53 PM
#45

Finally, the campaign promoters are also gamblers, which makes the game sweeter. Get paid by the company, use the payment made by the company to bet in the company and it will look as if you have nothing to lose.
Yeah, this is something that isn't often talked about. The thing is, the signature campaigns usually are looking for those that post in the gambling sections, and therefore they already know they're gamblers, and most likely gamble with their Bitcoin. So, there's such a thing as brand loyalty, and if you're getting paid a decent amount by a signature campaign, they're likely going to have some sort of brand loyalty, and end up using them. What's the best way to avoid fees of exchanging Bitcoin, and then gambling it? Using the income you directly receive in Bitcoin.

I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of those advertising gambling websites, gamble a lot of their signature income on that exact website they're advertising for. Not like that's a bad thing if they can afford to lose it. Although, it's definitely one of the reasons you see gambling signature campaigns going on for longer than others.
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May 19, 2022, 05:17:03 PM
#44
Look at it in this way:
You need money to finance a signature campaigns. Who is more likely to be willing to pay hundreds and thousands of dollars weekly? A business like a casino that generates a lot of profit every hour of the day, or a developer who has just created a new free service that doesn't earn him any income and he has to spend his own money to pay promoters? We all know the answer.

Even ChipMixer and BestChange earn money. CM through donations and the users who use their services and BestChange through fees.  
This is great.
Gambling companies generates alot of money from her clients. Money flows daily and weekly bases in casino and it won't be difficult to pay signature promoters.
Again, online casino has no boundaries and limitations, it is q trend that is seriously trying to send the traditional gambling to extinction. So, the inflow of customers isn't surprising.
Also, gambling is a business full of addiction, an addicted gambler will keep throwing in money even if he is loosing, so money making is not even their problem. Unlike non gambling campaigns who generate money from only the services they offer.
Finally, the campaign promoters are also gamblers, which makes the game sweeter. Get paid by the company, use the payment made by the company to bet in the company and it will look as if you have nothing to lose.
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May 18, 2022, 12:47:23 PM
#43
The only exceptions would be those that have added them to an ad block filter or disabled signatures, which I can't imagine many users do.
And since some of these users have a signature on their profile, why would you block yourself from seeing other companies while promoting your own? It's difficult to tell who disables signatures, but it appears to be cheating except for those who don't have any company signatures.

I don't believe it's about getting a good advertisement or anything; I believe it's about the user's area of interest, and to be honest, the majority of the users here are gamblers, with only a few exceptions. This is why gambling signatures last longer than any other campaign because they produce results and generate a lot of money.
One could argue that merely being invested in Bitcoin, regardless of your outlook or reason for being involved, is in fact gambling. Since, I assume most of us are counting on it going up in the long term at the very least.
Anything with an input and an uncertain outcome is gambling, so investing in Bitcoin is also like gambling because we hope for a better outcome and sometimes sell at a loss. You are not wrong if you call it a gamble.

I've even seen Drake is now promoting Stake on his instagram amongst other places and I can tell you they'll be paying him a lot more than 1 million a month. I'm guessing that most bitcoin casinos are also registered in tax havens so are also probably paying very little to no taxes so their mark-up is probably even bigger than domestic casinos.

Stake.com and Sportsbet.io have been making inroads into the football and entertainment industries since last year, and the local fiat is becoming a thing of the past. Stake.com ambassador lists also include KunAguero, Israel Adesanya, Francis Nagannou, Jose Aldo, and Alexa Grasso, with all these huge promotions one could argue that the site has at least a million active users.
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May 18, 2022, 10:49:33 AM
#42
The house always wins because the odds are stacked against you so it's a very, very profitable business. Casinos are essentially just a licence to print money as most people will lose money over the long-run. Even if someone wins big they're still probably technically down overall and even if they're not the 90% of other people who lost that day will more than make up for the house loss. Some of these bitcoin casinos are paying streamers literally a million dollars a month just to play on their sites so that shows you how much money there is to be made for these sties if they can afford to pay that to just a streamer. A lot of them now are throwing big money at football clubs and other sporting events like the UFC and other such sports as well. I've even seen Drake is now promoting Stake on his instagram amongst other places and I can tell you they'll be paying him a lot more than 1 million a month. I'm guessing that most bitcoin casinos are also registered in tax havens so are also probably paying very little to no taxes so their mark-up is probably even bigger than domestic casinos.
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May 17, 2022, 05:54:27 AM
#41
Many people see anything trading as analogous to gambling and I believe that's what informs the high rate of advertisement of casinos and other gambling related stuff on this forum. It cuts across trading sites, forex trading sites too. I'm sure that's the mindset.

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You think because gambling has been licenced it's not a vice anymore? Don't judge it that way. You can say it's no longer a crime as government has come into it to regulate and licence it. Vice and crime are two different things, though a thin line separates them.
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May 16, 2022, 12:05:09 AM
#40
Out of sentiment, I think gambling sites are easier to operate more than others. Coupled with the fact that, gaming isn't such a vice as it was viewed in the 20th century and centuries before that. It has become a licensed and tasked field, providing lots and lots of revenue for the government of it's host nation and a lot of gamblers out there are always looking out for better services as per customer support, better odds, fairness, easy withdrawals, No KYC and better services as a whole. Hence, we tend to have a more of gambling sites on the forum, seizing the opportunities to better the gambling industry. Just a thought but, I think it goes too.
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May 15, 2022, 03:59:31 AM
#39
Also it could be a self propagating loop.

Casino A advertises here.
Casino B advertises here.
Casino C advertises here.

All of a sudden casinos D and E see their business fall off a bit, they take a look and see others advertising here so they start their campaigns.

Someone decides to start casino F and sees all the advertising for A to E and figures they have to advertise here too.

-Dave

In the above example, it does not matter if Casino D and E follow the advertising being done by the casino A, B  and C. The main thing to note is that the casino are getting traffic and gamblers and therefore they are advertising here long term.
Bitcointalk has vast majority of gamblers and casino wants to advertise here to gain customers and earn money. The other big business is crowd funding but it is handled in terms of native tokens and hence projects need not spent bitcoins to promote their ICO projects.
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May 15, 2022, 03:10:59 AM
#38
But because crypto companies that are just starting will prefer to pay their campaign participants in their own Altcoin, they can not list their campaign in the service section since this section is reserved for companies paying in bitcoin only...
Have you ever considered the following: All these altcoins and shitcoins that are created are all being advertised as the best thing you will ever come across in your life. But then you have bounty campaigns and signature campaigns where they are giving away tons of it. If it was that good, and those tokens were so much better than crappy old Bitcoin, wouldn't you want to keep most of them for yourself and "trick" the gullible investors and campaign participants into accepting Bitcoin? Paying them in worthless coins, and gladly taking their Bitcoin shows the real intentions.   
legendary
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May 14, 2022, 07:04:35 PM
#37
It's because there are so many Casino popping up here if not everyday on monthly basis so Casino owners choose to use that campaign to make sure that their exposure still their and they will not be out shadowed by new casinos or other competitors.

While other's like exchange or other type of services is only few here so maybe they didn't tend to spend such huge amount of money to advertise because they have other medium or means to do their own marketing without spending lot of cash.

Also we can see that social media sites are also into cryptocurrencies nowadays and many of crypto business owners spend their money on advertising on those platforms since they can reach out on more bigger audiences.
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May 14, 2022, 03:48:18 PM
#36
There are lots of gamblers in this forum either a big time or not. If there's not much gamblers in this forum then those gambling signature campaigns might stop. There are also people who come here asking people which best casino or sportsbooks are legit and have good reputation so many will recommend what is best casino or sportsbooks in Bitcointalk. Not really sure if this is the reason why but I do know that some promoters of the said gambling site invest on a casino.
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May 14, 2022, 03:31:41 PM
#35
It's easy OP because it is a sign that we have a lot of gamblers on this forum more than you can ever imagine.
Before now some people consider this forum to be the marketplace for gambling site and the reason why we see more casino campaign is that other crypto gambling site owner understands their competitor is making good income through this forum campaign.

 

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May 13, 2022, 01:58:22 PM
#34
For 10 new campaigns - 9 from the world of gambling, casinos, bookmakers, etc. Other services come across very rarely, and if they do appear, they exist for a short period of time and then leave this forum.

First, OP is very right, you established a fact which I observed recently. Many things must have caused it but one major thing I believe is the reason is;
Gambling, casinos etc are making real time use of cryptocurrencies. When you visit any gambling site, you will discover they accept payments in more than 10 cryptocurrencies. This cannot be said of other companies who might not be so intimate with crypto.
Again, the promoters of the campaign are also patronising the business. Some gamblers use btc paid them in the campaign to re-invest in the casino site by betting. The circle is flowing and it will last the more.
Crypto meeting casino is a fortunate thing that happened to gambling.
legendary
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May 13, 2022, 09:55:27 AM
#33
I honestly have thought about this on several occasions, I can't say for sure it's true reason, but my guess is, it's because advertising in the service section is only for bitcoin paying companies, if companies were allowed to launch their campaign in the service section and pay their campaign participants in whatever coin they please, you will see that the service section will be flooded with different kinds of campaigns.
But because crypto companies that are just starting will prefer to pay their campaign participants in their own Altcoin, they can not list their campaign in the service section since this section is reserved for companies paying in bitcoin only, and we all know that gambling casinos make alot of bitcoin from customers, so paying their campaign participants in bitcoin isn't an issue for them.
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May 13, 2022, 09:48:39 AM
#32
Not sure, I thought there's been quite a lot of gambling related signature campaigns over the years, but there's been others mixed in too. Although, I guess you could say there should be more when compared to other services, because signature campaigns definitely work, and who has a lot of disposable income? Probably gambling sites. I've been contacted quite a few times by users asking about my currently worn signature. Actually quite frequent too I find. So, it definitely works even if it's not direct clicks through an referral link, it most certainly does stick in certain user minds. The only exceptions would be those that have added them to an ad block filter or disabled signatures, which I can't imagine many users do.

I don't believe it's about getting a good advertisement or anything; I believe it's about the user's area of interest, and to be honest, the majority of the users here are gamblers, with only a few exceptions. This is why gambling signatures last longer than any other campaign because they produce results and generate a lot of money.
One could argue that merely being invested in Bitcoin, regardless of your outlook or reason for being involved, is in fact gambling. Since, I assume most of us are counting on it going up in the long term at the very least. So, yeah we are all banking on either making a lot of money through Bitcoin or banking on Bitcoin replacing our current fiat system, both can be seen as a gamble even if not in the traditional sense.
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May 13, 2022, 07:59:49 AM
#31
I have to disagree with you on the bolded part of your last sentence, using myself as an example; I'm an active gambler who rarely participates in Games and Round sub-baord free competitions; not everyone wants to smear his posts history with some shite games and round worthless predictions contests, and I believe that's one of the reasons most users don't frequent that board except spammers looking for cheap cents.
So you think that those who are active in Games and round contests and competitions are somehow smearing their post history? That's a weird statement, to say the least. I understand someone simply not wanting to participate in those things, but that reason not really.
I was active on the sub-board a sometimes ago, but I discovered that I lost more than I gained, so I quit wasting my time. However, whether or not that sub-board is active proves nothing. Imo
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May 13, 2022, 06:09:26 AM
#30
I have to disagree with you on the bolded part of your last sentence, using myself as an example; I'm an active gambler who rarely participates in Games and Round sub-baord free competitions; not everyone wants to smear his posts history with some shite games and round worthless predictions contests, and I believe that's one of the reasons most users don't frequent that board except spammers looking for cheap cents.
So you think that those who are active in Games and round contests and competitions are somehow smearing their post history? That's a weird statement, to say the least. I understand someone simply not wanting to participate in those things, but that reason not really.

legendary
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May 13, 2022, 03:12:14 AM
#29
Look at it in this way:
You need money to finance a signature campaigns. Who is more likely to be willing to pay hundreds and thousands of dollars weekly? A business like a casino that generates a lot of profit every hour of the day, or a developer who has just created a new free service that doesn't earn him any income and he has to spend his own money to pay promoters? We all know the answer.

Even ChipMixer and BestChange earn money. CM through donations and the users who use their services and BestChange through fees.   
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May 13, 2022, 02:33:46 AM
#28
The majority of Sportbets.io, stake.com, Duebits, and Roobets sig participants are gamblers who actively use their services, and you can easily tell who is writing to fulfill their weekly post counts from who are actually core gamblers from their comments.
The thing is, only the best paid campaigns can attract natural posters and that's why others have to set the gambling board post quota. If there is an abundance of gamblers here that wouldn't be the case. As an example of what I am talking about, you can take a look at Games and rounds child board and the lack of interest in competitions where participants actually have to bet/gamble using their own money.

Then again, gambling signature campaigns obviously work one way or another because companies wouldn't waste their money for years.

I have to disagree with you on the bolded part of your last sentence, using myself as an example; I'm an active gambler who rarely participates in Games and Round sub-baord free competitions; not everyone wants to smear his posts history with some shite games and round worthless predictions contests, and I believe that's one of the reasons most users don't frequent that board except spammers looking for cheap cents.
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May 13, 2022, 01:29:17 AM
#27
The majority of Sportbets.io, stake.com, Duebits, and Roobets sig participants are gamblers who actively use their services, and you can easily tell who is writing to fulfill their weekly post counts from who are actually core gamblers from their comments.
While I do think that Sportbets.io sig participants are genuine gambling board posters, I seriously doubt that majority of members in other campaigns are actively using their services. Not just that, I think that many don't even watch the sports that they are talking about and its not that hard to notice that if you know the subject well. The thing is, only the best paid campaigns can attract natural posters and that's why others have to set the gambling board post quota. If there is an abundance of gamblers here that wouldn't be the case. As an example of what I am talking about, you can take a look at Games and rounds child board and the lack of interest in competitions where participants actually have to bet/gamble using their own money.

Then again, gambling signature campaigns obviously work one way or another because companies wouldn't waste their money for years.

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May 13, 2022, 12:40:19 AM
#26
BitcoinTalk.org probably has the largest gambling-related subboard in the world, with thousands of active members and thousands of posts every month. I know, it's a chicken-and-egg thing and some would argue that this is due to the signature campaigns, but I believe the gambling board existed and was active even before bitcoin campaigns became a thing. Nonetheless, the concept has been a huge success and the community has adopted many of the platforms, who bring a fair, fun and entertaining environment that bitcoin gambling can provide.

In my opinion, cryptocurrencies have brought some tremendous value to the online gambling industry. Not just because gambling has become a more mainstream thing, but also because online gambling is a much cheaper form of gambling business than offline, land-based casinos. And not only is it cheaper, but the people can gamble anytime and anywhere. In addition, Bitcoin allows you to spend the money at many more places than it would be possible for people to do so in real world. To some degree, I believe this has changed the landscape of the online gambling industry and even affected some of the physical casinos. Many physical casinos are also trying to take advantage of this trend.
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May 12, 2022, 12:01:13 PM
#25
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The forum itself is a very particular advertising niche.

In the case of CM, it maintains because it is the Coca-Cola of our niche, so it is already a matter of trust and permanent positioning, keeping the brand in the consumer's mind is essential.

There is a premise that says "it is not how much you invest, but where you advertise what makes a campaign effective" CM is in the place where "perhaps" it makes the best return on its investment, other type ad campaign would not be as effective as it is in the forum.

In the case of exchanges, I think it is an issue of recruitment, user traffic, let's say that unlike the previous product, exchanges have greater demand but users tend to make more constants/traffic over time. In the case of BC, it basically offers a third-party service, it is not really an exchange as such and perhaps that allows it to manage a constant and long-lasting advertising budget in the forum.

The sporadic campaigns: surely the others who have passed through here handle limited and diversified budget items in others areas where they can advertise their brand.

Casinos: the opposite happens, in my opinion in relation to exchanges (e.g.) the traffic of players is not constant, they come and go, let's say that frequent players exist, but the niche of the betting world is managed with their main active; the newbie or "fish". So the casinos that can pay a constant signature in the forum "fight" for those users and in that process they consolidate the brand in the thinking of crypto players.

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May 12, 2022, 11:21:41 AM
#24
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Participants in the casino signature program spend more time on the casino sites, which is a significant advantage over other signature services.
Even when they are not active gamblers, I think the some participant should also try the casino services they promote. It may not be like other services like exchanges, altcoins because actually their main user base is not on forums.

I also don't think that the main base of crypto casino users comes from forums [I may be wrong] but I'm sure there are some forum users who really like to gamble especially if they also like to do it with fiat. This is why crypto based gambling campaigns can last longer because I think there are really good benefits to the services of forum users and sharing some of the profits with the participants of the signature campaign even though it is still part of the promotion.
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May 12, 2022, 08:49:48 AM
#23
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the majority of the users here are gamblers, with only a few exceptions.
I tend to disagree, even we've seen gambling boards is really crowd and people were discussing about sports, slots, poker, casino, etc. But actually most of users there aren't really a gamblers, but their sole purpose is to fill the campaign requirement to post in gambling boards. If the campaign didn't ask they need to post minimum of 5-10 to gambling boards, I believe most users will move to Altcoin discussions since it's more easier than gambling boards.
The majority of Sportbets.io, stake.com, Duebits, and Roobets sig participants are gamblers who actively use their services, and you can easily tell who is writing to fulfill their weekly post counts from who are actually core gamblers from their comments.

I don't think Bestchange and Chipmixers have that many users from here using their services; I believe they make their money from sources outside the forum..
~snip~
If Bestchange is not making profit, the campaign would have ended probably a long time ago. I like your post, you even mentioned that you have used Bestchange like ones, twice or more times before. If not for this forum, would you have used exchange aggregator called Bestchange? So many people would be like you and also introducing it to friends.
Yes, I learned about Bestchange through a forum signature campaign, and I've used the system in the past when I needed some PayPal funds, but I'm just saying that, unlike casino sites, the majority of their clients are not from their forums. I could be wrong, though.

Participants in the casino signature program spend more time on the casino sites, which is a significant advantage over other signature services.
legendary
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May 12, 2022, 01:29:05 AM
#22
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While I didn't explicitly mention to you the privacy at stake with KYC among those many casinos, then I think people already know that. People already know about KYC being a special requirement at certain casinos, but some casinos don't seem to need it and can be used if you care about privacy.


However @OP isn't discussing about bounty campaign as everyone already know bounty mostly scam and become worthless.
You certainly understand what Ratimov means which I quote below for you, although the OP didn't mention it clearly but why didn't we think of comparing it to other campaigns.

Why is gambling advertising delayed more often than others on this forum?
unlike advertisements for mixers, exchanges, tokens, etc.
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May 12, 2022, 01:15:49 AM
#21
we really think that there is quite a bit of money circulating there which might come from forum users believing that they will get good privacy without involving banks to gamble.
While using crypto is looks have good privacy, but the fact isn't.
Most of big casinos in this forum had mandatory KYC and most people doesn't really care with their privacy e.g. using centralized exchanges. They're directly send their coins from casino to exchange, if they ever submit KYC either casino or exchange, the banks already know where's the funds came from. You wouldn't get a good privacy if you used centralized coins, KYC casino and centralized exchanges.

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The promotion of a campaign about casino or gambling is also considered to be one of the most serious as compared to an altcoin campaign. The large cash circulation in the casino has been able to benefit the owners which in the end they can run the campaign longer than some altcoin campaigns with bitcoin payouts.
However @OP isn't discussing about bounty campaign as everyone already know bounty mostly scam and become worthless.
legendary
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May 12, 2022, 01:04:25 AM
#20
Furum might be the best promotion target to attract a lot of interest from crypto users to gamble. This is about crypto based casinos and we really think that there is quite a bit of money circulating there which might come from forum users believing that they will get good privacy without involving banks to gamble.

On average altcoin projects don't pay their campaign participants with bitcoin, they pay participants in token or coin especially when their project is successful. They don't need to have capital to finance the promotion because actually they will only pay with tokens or coins at the end of the campaign. I can say that most altcoin projects don't have much capital to pay campaign participants for weeks in bitcoin and it makes sense why not many altcoin campaigns pay them in bitcoin.

Obviously dark market operations aren't going to advertise here (even if they were allowed to), so what does that leave you with?  Casinos, mostly, so that's precisely why most of the sig campaigns are gambling-related.  And yeah, there's tons of money to be made so those casinos kind of have to advertise themselves in order to get their name out in the public.  There are so many of them that if one didn't advertise, they'd probably be forgotten unless they had a dedicated user base.
The promotion of a campaign about casino or gambling is also considered to be one of the most serious as compared to an altcoin campaign. The large cash circulation in the casino has been able to benefit the owners which in the end they can run the campaign longer than some altcoin campaigns with bitcoin payouts.
legendary
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May 12, 2022, 12:34:55 AM
#19
I have a feeling that the crypto-gambling industry makes a big pile of cash.
Oh yeah....and they also have the incentive that you mentioned and which I snipped out. 

I mean think about crypto and exactly what it's perfect for, what it has an advantage over cash and credit cards because of: online gambling, and purchasing goods/services that banks wouldn't allow you to pay for.  Bitcoin (and altcoins) provide a decent level of anonymity if used right; no oversight from the banking industry, and it's easily sent and received. 

Obviously dark market operations aren't going to advertise here (even if they were allowed to), so what does that leave you with?  Casinos, mostly, so that's precisely why most of the sig campaigns are gambling-related.  And yeah, there's tons of money to be made so those casinos kind of have to advertise themselves in order to get their name out in the public.  There are so many of them that if one didn't advertise, they'd probably be forgotten unless they had a dedicated user base.
legendary
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May 11, 2022, 11:05:13 PM
#18
As far as the money laundering operations...  There are lots of scammers here and they are constantly pestered unless they use alt accounts and mixers, so that's where their cut of the pie comes from.  Personally, I think at least the gambling operations aren't benefitting from scams here and are providing some entertainment.
Mixers are seen more clean than using it to mix bitcoin that was received by scammers. So I see this in another way, I believe this forum have many users and friends to this forum users that have high amount of bitcoin they do not play with in a way they are having the correct practices in a way they just have to use a mixers to maximize their privacy means of holding and using bitcoin.

I don't think Bestchange and Chipmixers have that many users from here using their services; I believe they make their money from sources outside the forum. I've used Bestchange a couple of times to exchange BTC to PayPal funds, but I'm not sure how frequently users from here use their services compared to gambling sites.
If Bestchange is not making profit, the campaign would have ended probably a long time ago. I like your post, you even mentioned that you have used Bestchange like ones, twice or more times before. If not for this forum, would you have used exchange aggregator called Bestchange? So many people would be like you and also introducing it to friends.
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May 11, 2022, 10:06:45 PM
#17
Probably startup projects are not ready to pay in the real money so any services or projects choose to promote it via on their own social media channels or bounties respectively but the casinos advertisements are being efficient here so every new casino simply follow it and invest their money for marketing and get results.
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May 11, 2022, 08:57:24 PM
#16
I think the reason is promoting exchanges and tokens is more easier in google ads/websites than casino and mixers. Google ads/websites is more strict since they need some requirements of laws, licenses etc of the casino, in this forum you only need enough money to advertise. Mixer however isn't a company and some people see it as illegal, moreover most people doesn't care with privacy (less clients). Due to less clients, that's why only few mixers want to launch advertisements.

the majority of the users here are gamblers, with only a few exceptions.
I tend to disagree, even we've seen gambling boards is really crowd and people were discussing about sports, slots, poker, casino, etc. But actually most of users there aren't really a gamblers, but their sole purpose is to fill the campaign requirement to post in gambling boards. If the campaign didn't ask they need to post minimum of 5-10 to gambling boards, I believe most users will move to Altcoin discussions since it's more easier than gambling boards.
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May 11, 2022, 08:25:41 PM
#15
(some of them) pay on their own gambling platform, people can't hold themselves and gamble it all. It's a win for them.
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May 11, 2022, 05:48:36 PM
#14
I don't think Bestchange and Chipmixers have that many users from here using their services; I believe they make their money from sources outside the forum. I've used Bestchange a couple of times to exchange BTC to PayPal funds, but I'm not sure how frequently users from here use their services compared to gambling sites.
Where else would have ever know Chipmixer from if not from this forum? And I am sure am not alone  Grin

In fact, even Bestchange, the first time I got to know about it and used it to get an exchanger with good rates was after they had launched a signature campaign here. I was even more surprised to discover that the exchange monitor was more than 10 years old, and I didn't know it before.
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The Naija & BSFL Sherrif 📛
May 11, 2022, 04:25:29 PM
#13
Maybe if those other projects take a page from BestChange or Chipmixer play book then they could get quality advertisment on the forum and reach out to the right audience through quality marketing.

I don't believe it's about getting a good advertisement or anything; I believe it's about the user's area of interest, and to be honest, the majority of the users here are gamblers, with only a few exceptions. This is why gambling signatures last longer than any other campaign because they produce results and generate a lot of money.

Take a look at Bitlucy, which launched a few weeks ago and received 4k new registered users from BTT alone, demonstrating how many positive outcomes these guys are receiving. I'm not sure why they decided to stop, but I'm a new user and I really like their market options.

I don't think Bestchange and Chipmixers have that many users from here using their services; I believe they make their money from sources outside the forum. I've used Bestchange a couple of times to exchange BTC to PayPal funds, but I'm not sure how frequently users from here use their services compared to gambling sites.
legendary
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May 11, 2022, 01:23:57 PM
#12
Other services come across very rarely, and if they do appear, they exist for a short period of time and then leave this forum. The BestChange and ChipMixer campaigns are rather an exception to the rule, advertising non-gambling services that have existed here for years. Everything else is gambling.
If there are exceptions to something, then it means that the other possibility exists, that is to say that if there are projects besides gambling related ones that thrive off marketing on the forum (could be one or two), then there can be more regardless of the idea that the forum users are more interested in gambling or there are better marketing options for non gambling related projects.

Maybe if those other projects take a page from BesChange or Chipmixer play book then they could get quality advertisment on the forum and reach out to the right audience through quality marketing.
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May 11, 2022, 12:34:46 PM
#11
I'm not sure if this issue hasn't been discussed before, but I'll try anyway. Why is gambling advertising delayed more often than others on this forum? I now mean advertising in signatures. For 10 new campaigns - 9 from the world of gambling, casinos, bookmakers, etc. Other services come across very rarely, and if they do appear, they exist for a short period of time and then leave this forum. The BestChange and ChipMixer campaigns are rather an exception to the rule, advertising non-gambling services that have existed here for years. Everything else is gambling.

Even in 2021, when the industry attracted a huge amount of funds, an insane number of services and projects were opened, but all this was not on the forum, again, almost the same casino advertisement. One might think that the forum is simply not attracted by advertisers who would like to advertise their product in this format, but gambling projects feel good here, they are regular here and can last for long months, unlike advertisements for mixers, exchanges, tokens, etc.

The short answer...  Online casinos in crypto are making a fortune off those seeking riches.  I'm sure a majority of the users in their campaigns are probably also addicted gamblers looking to give away their signature earnings at the chance of a jackpot.  So you have to wonder how much is really leaving these casinos due to these campaigns.  You could even make the argument that signature campaign users eventually turn into loyal customers.  That makes the signature campaigns as much about getting new users to try their service as it is paying them to advertise to others. 

As far as the money laundering operations...  There are lots of scammers here and they are constantly pestered unless they use alt accounts and mixers, so that's where their cut of the pie comes from.  Personally, I think at least the gambling operations aren't benefitting from scams here and are providing some entertainment.
legendary
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May 11, 2022, 11:36:57 AM
#10
Those who enjoy gambling with cryptocurrencies, as well as those who are gambling signature campaigns, should take advantage of this as I don't think they will have many years left to operate as they do.

I just thought that bitcoin began to take off when gambling regulations began to be established in Europe, which is what I know best, and I understand that in countries in the rest of the world also around that time.

In Spain online gambling was regulated in 2011, in Italy in 2010, and in France the same year. If we see that bitcoin started in 2009, it is not strange to think that what was operating under the table before those years moved on to gambling with cryptocurrencies.

I haven't looked into it recently but I doubt very much that most of the houses that advertise here are 100% compliant with the licensing and player acceptance laws of certain countries with strict online gambling laws.

As the oldest and largest bitcoin forum, it is not surprising that cryptocurrency gambling houses found it an ideal place to advertise apart from other reasons that have already been discussed.
legendary
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May 11, 2022, 11:29:41 AM
#9
Also it could be a self propagating loop.

Casino A advertises here.
Casino B advertises here.
Casino C advertises here.

All of a sudden casinos D and E see their business fall off a bit, they take a look and see others advertising here so they start their campaigns.

Someone decides to start casino F and sees all the advertising for A to E and figures they have to advertise here too.

-Dave
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May 11, 2022, 10:13:21 AM
#8
It's a matter of R.O.I. on their marketing strategy. Since forums are for them on the top of the channels to use (with social networks) it's normal to see them here more than other business types.

Ranking in Google's SERPs can literally cost you half a million dollars for the gambling industry (without a guaranteed result). Gambling, loans, and forex are the more rewarding but the most difficult niches to rank (hence all the SEO spams on the www).

In a forum, they have the targeted audience they're looking for and the ratio of money/return is quite good for them.
Cheap advertising for them doesn't mean cheap for other businesses' type
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May 11, 2022, 08:37:27 AM
#7
Maybe because there are just lots of us gamble all the time, they know we are among the targeted demographics. They get more audiences here in the forum.

Only few companies not related to gambling advertised here because if they need advertising,  they'd prefer to reach adnetworks like google adwords. Gambling related sites are not allowed in google adwords.
legendary
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May 11, 2022, 08:26:06 AM
#6
Why is gambling advertising delayed more often than others on this forum?
Advertising in the form of campaigns, what is gambling, exchange, tokens and so on, they have main goal, some companies believe in decisions, marketing campaign to revolve around it, another meaning to improve service to its customers.

As far as I know, every company conducting a campaign has a specific strategy in the process of methods and guides towards performance like the campaign participants themselves.

Of course, on the other hand, the short and long term campaigns did not escape evaluation.

Evaluation of short and long term campaigns.
• Each campaign that is set to advertise will have an impact on the company's budget, for example: gambling, some companies budgets have been set and measured for site improvement and long term adjustments in campaign/advertising.
• In the short-term evaluation, of course also influenced by the budget that has been set, this method to specifically review the development of the campaign will be a good or bad motivator, against the competition of gambling sites in the Bitcointalk area, the campaign will effectively have a negative and positive effect on the gambling site, even though the campaign was run professionally, the impact for the company was not effective, for that they prefer to decide on advertising and look for a new web to open a more effective campaign for their company.
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May 11, 2022, 06:32:05 AM
#5
Well, it means the signature campaign will really work here in the forum in my own opinion, just like someone asking here [ https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/signature-campaign-does-work-for-marketing-5265441 ]. Perhaps this online gambling industry suits the crypto world which makes gamblers gamble in the easiest way and the reason gambling businesses exist and saw that they have a potential here to make money and become a popular gambling casinos they need to market their brand name here.
legendary
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May 11, 2022, 05:30:35 AM
#4
Personally, I have not used gambling sites, or even I do not know how gambling sites works but as for signature campaigns, you are talking about Bitcoin signature campaigns, not all signature campaigns.

As for the actual reason, the most likely reason is that either they are making money or they can't rise in other places ( I think gambling ads are banned in the UK[1] & other countries)?!

As for achieving gains, it seems that they are succeeding in this, otherwise those campaigns would not have continued for a long time.


[1] https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/apr/05/uk-to-ban-gambling-ads-featuring-sports-and-reality-tv-stars
legendary
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May 11, 2022, 05:08:11 AM
#3
Although, I can not say I do not need the little money I received according to the quality posts I make on this forum, but we should never forget that this forum is not about campaigns, it is about discussing bitcoin and also discussimg about topics on other boards on this forum. I think we should just enjoy the incentives until it lasts on this forum, be it from gambling or not from gambling. As long as those gambling sites are paying, and others like Chipmixer and Bestchange, we should enjoy until it lasts. But our focus should be about bitcoin boards and other board existing on this forum in a way to keep it quality and clean. Just my opinion.
legendary
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May 11, 2022, 05:05:52 AM
#2
I have a feeling that the crypto-gambling industry makes a big pile of cash. I've never used any of the dozens of casinos that are advertised here, nor do I know how they work, but I think this: What's better for a casino than to evade every kind of income tax with electronic cash, and have set this business up anonymously?

And the niche is, unfortunately, very similar. Most see bitcoin and cryptos in general as gambling-investments-opportunities-whatever.
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May 11, 2022, 04:54:52 AM
#1
I'm not sure if this issue hasn't been discussed before, but I'll try anyway. Why is gambling advertising delayed more often than others on this forum? I now mean advertising in signatures. For 10 new campaigns - 9 from the world of gambling, casinos, bookmakers, etc. Other services come across very rarely, and if they do appear, they exist for a short period of time and then leave this forum. The BestChange and ChipMixer campaigns are rather an exception to the rule, advertising non-gambling services that have existed here for years. Everything else is gambling.

Even in 2021, when the industry attracted a huge amount of funds, an insane number of services and projects were opened, but all this was not on the forum, again, almost the same casino advertisement. One might think that the forum is simply not attracted by advertisers who would like to advertise their product in this format, but gambling projects feel good here, they are regular here and can last for long months, unlike advertisements for mixers, exchanges, tokens, etc.
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