Topic: GAMBLING SITE INVESTMENT - page 27. (Read 6970 times)

NOOoo. You're wrong here  0,05004101 is total money now. But 0.049 is his investment. So 0.05004101 - 0.049 = 0.00104101 BTC (profit). Now this profit is equivalent to the dilution fee he incurs at the start of his investment. In short, after 8 weeks of investment, his real profits begin to count from next week. What about yolodice? How much does it cost? Have you subtracted it yet?

Correct if I'm wrong in here but:
0,05004101 - 0,04944497 = 0,00059604 in which 0,001 dilution fee is included? So net profit this week on bustatice was 0,00059604 - 0,001 = -0,00040396 ... another week on loss? Second in a row? Good thing that they returned investment fee. I thought it is not returnable.


I'ts in your investment wallet working for you or in regular bustadice wallet? If it is locked in your investment i would add it to base investment and change it from 0.49 to 0.5 because that was in fact your initial investment and this money are working for future profit.

Helloo..

@Yatsan do you get more insight information about those gambling sites that you're investing in after/before you become their investor? Such as marketing plan and their future plan.

And also is there someone here who has good knowledge about the regulation of gambling sites who want to share their knowledge?

I want to know about how to choose a trusted gambling site to invest and how do we know that they will not run with our money. At least we will only lose our money if they're bankrupt.

Hi, Ethan here from YOLOdice. I find these accusations strange, especially given the fact we exchanged emails and after receiving my analysis you never replied. But since you brought the discussion here, I have to answer publicly.

Note, I'm cross-posting the same reply at our YOLOdice topic at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54549027 :

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If this was a hack, then all my logs indicate that the source is the victim's PC. My server logs show clearly that the request to close the investment comes from user's PC. Before that, the connection was hanging idle for several hours, doing regular browser<->server request. It looks like normal traffic from the browser and most likely was. So after a few hours of idling there comes a request to close an investment, exchange DOGE to BTC and withdraw, and connection closes.

There were no unauthorized logins to the server, just regular traffic, all from the same IP and the same browser.

It's not possible that this amount of logs was created by hacking into YD servers. Logs are distributed to a few machines, and they are different kind of logs - authorization logs and system logs, access logs and event logs. We  use centralized ELK server for logs to make log analysis much easier (and possible) and be able to correlate logs related to a single event. Believe me, I know what I am doing here.

I can say with 100% certainty the source of the "hack" is external. I don't want to contradict anyone's story without having the knowledge of what happened, but analyzing the situation on my end there are 2 possibilities:

1. The user leaves the PC on, logged into YD, for a few hours, unprotected. Someone else comes by, uses physical access to the PC and uses the opportunity to quickly wipe the account clean.
2. The PC is infected with malware and remote hacker can take control over PC, manipulate the open browser and act on user's behalf.

I cannot see how we could take responsibility in any of these cases. There is literally nothing that would indicate a different scenario.

Rest assured, YD is secure.

Cheers,
Ethan

Another good news for you Yatsan, bitcoin hits $10,000 today and that should significantly result to a bigger profit by next update if bitcoin will just stay at the current price range or if it will rise further, congratulations in advance.

LoL  It's not $ 20. It is a much bigger amount  62500 DogeCoin ~ more than 150 dollars  although not sure if he did not install security measures, 2FA, but it could be a subjectivity. Myself do not regularly install security for some accounts that contain small money. Condolences to examplens, hope you are luckier in the future. No way for you to get that money back 

Yeah, I think it's your fault too, maybe if you are going to put 20$ or more on a website make sure that you are going to enable a 2FA so that the hacker's or maybe someone you knew will not hack or get your funds. Using 2FA is a must so you are sure that you are the only one that have access to any account that you have. It will be a lesson to you now, "always use 2FA" 

I do not understand why they refuse to help you  But to be honest, we can't claim that anyone was wrong here. Have you set up all forms of security? Or does someone have access to your computer for a certain period of time? With what you have stated in their topic, it looks more like someone used your computer to withdraw money, no any other presence. You cannot blame them  Because if their platform gets hacked, you're not the only one who lost money

I use same strategy. One password for all shitty and one time registration, and few random more secure password for services where I hold any fund. But, hey if I use same login/password on other exchange, why it is not compromised there also? Why only on Yolodice?
There is no confirmational email. Any account without activated 2FA is under high security risk.

Maybe you used Yolodice login and password on other service like exchange. I have a strategy in which i use same login and passowrd for shitty sites where i don't risk anything if it's compromised and super strong, always different password for services where i hold or will ever hold >5$. Once after registering on new exchange just to cash out 1 shitcoin airdrop i started to receive emails from almost every service where I used the same easy password. Looks like this exchange was recording users data and using it on other services to break in. Maybe that was your case? Did Yolodice said anything about no confirmation email, no logs?

Yes, I received an answer from Yolo dice. I must say they were very kind but they didn't help me. His point is that is my fault. of course, it is insane to expect an explanation of where their guilt might be. It is bad for business and his reputation.
I didn’t answer earlier because I did a scan my computer, searching for anything suspicious (I did not found anything unusual). All my other accounts, on exchanges, on this forum, on social media accounts, some of my hosting and other servers, few altcoin wallets... they are still unchanged without any suspicious activities.

I agree that hacking is not when all funds are stolen, but somehow, it is not just only him was stolen his money  How does someone just hack an amount of only one user? I believe it is a data system error.
There are a few casinos that exist in this space now, Yolodice is one of the top choices. With hacking it means it could lose its ability to compete with a few other casinos  But anyway, just speculation, I want to hear the answer from @examplens

Not many from crypto space was not hacked even once. Even binance was and lost 7000 BTC - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-08/crypto-exchange-giant-binance-reports-a-hack-of-7-000-bitcoin and according to CZ, based on his knowledge many tier1 exchange was hacked and hides it from custommers by implementing fractional reserve system and still working.
Hack does not mean that all funds was stolen.
But yea... agree.. better easy to fix bug than hack. 

So have you received feedback from them yet? I believe they had something wrong. Yolodice has been in operation for many years and didn't seem to be any problems during that time. I hope they solve your problem soon  An update of you here is needed 

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It would be the worst case for a casino, if it were a mistake on their part, it was easy to fix. But if it's hacked, meaning their casino is no longer secure, many people will leave it. And we should leave it if it is really hacked. But I don't think someone just hacks his money, it's a different matter.

@Taskford @qory Please don't quote whole OP just to add 2 lines of text. Quote a sentence that you are referring to or if you are referring to author just use @nick. This really helps reading and makes thread looks much cleaner.


Bustatide just don't want you to get into profit. 1.5 month and you are still paying investment fee - still on loss. That's pretty much a killer for me. Too much risk compared to profit. Looks like while investing in bankroll finding leading casino is not the only think that we should look at. We should also find casino that actually needs our investment and pays good for risk. Yolodice is on market from 2016, consolidate its market position (seams to be as safe as bustadice) but gives much better roi and no investment fee. Much better option IMO and 1.5 month is enough to say that.


Looks like hack and it is possible that you were hacked not casino. I didn't test yolodice withdrawals yet but they might not send conformational email at all - they don't require email to create account and that's what's written on yolodice regarding email:


Do you best to protect your other investments now. They may all be in risk now.

Are you referring for the choice of OP for investing on this site? since I think its still in good shape since the number is much realistic compare to the other site who promise you to earn a passive profit since most of them are scams. And it's normal to have a bad day for his investment since first it's a gambling site so there's an instance for casino to lose when their players became lucky to win on their bets.

Bad investment site system, where ever almost investment give us profit about 4% until 10% from our salary and distributed several percent each day begin from 1% until 4% depend which one investment site working. I have been in thousand investment kinds but never get the same problem like you although with gambling investment without get profit return,

That was a serious matter and Yolodice needs to investigate that. I saw you as an experienced person in crypto-gambling so I'm sure you are not that type of person that can be hacked easily nor become a victim of a trap.

What confused me is the IP logs and withdrawal time is not correlating. I will follow the story as we don't know what really happened so it's difficult to give any comments for now. Yolodice will surely have an answer for this.


Yes, funds should be intact with no withdrawal for a long period so that the percentage will not change. Bankroll investment is really for the long-term. That's why picking a crypto-gambling site requires a deep DYOR. I do amazed at OP for giving it a test.

Be careful with Yolodice and investment there. Here is my experience with his website: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54513824
Still waiting for a reply from there, I don't want to say any accusations, but I am not happy with this situation.
This is not my first investment in casino bankroll (first time on Yolo), I know how it works.