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It's true that gambling isn't a guaranteed way to make money and that the casino always have an edge, but this doesn't mean that people are still not benefiting from gambling, gambling still pays, people are still winning everyday in gambling. I believe what makes people to lose more often in gambling is because of greed and wanting to always win big. Different people have different techniques which they employ in their gambling. Always Chasing the big bag is what always make people lose often, I'm speaking from personal experience. I observe that whenever I'm always chasing the big bag, I always lose and barely win, but when I go little by little, going after little odds, I see myself gradually accumulating and staking up a good amount of money.
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Nice to see that you have won a good amount of bet congratulations. Anyway I would like to say that gambling pays  if we did the perfect bet and also on the track. Actually we gambler regret all the time when we didn't follow the main thing on  gambling. Actually the best thing is I also won todays my bet on sports too.
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So I brought this topic to let us know that in gambling, if you just play it as though you don't take it seriously whether you win or lose then you might surprisingly win an amount that will amaze you one day and it would look as if you're smart or you know how to predict the outcome of events and in most cases, when a gambler wins they doesn't really care much about their previous losses regardless of the amount they won.

So I just felt like making some predictions in sports betting today and the events was about 8 matches, and it all played according to how I predicted them to go and I won the bet though I spent less than $1 just #1000 in my local currency to place the bet and i won close to $23 which is about #32000 in my local currency as well. Congratulations to me as i didn't expect this winning.
Congratulations to you man, from your writeup, I perceive you are a responsible gambler, you know, it fells special when you were not expecting something, and the thing somehow magically shows up, It hits differently. In gambling, you must be prepared for the losses as you rightly stated without attaching much emotions to it, That's gambling for you. I recall some time ago I placed a careless bet and even forgot about it, later on I reluctantly checked it and saw a cashout that was almost my pot. winnings. I decided to cash it out as it was remaining only a game, lo and behold, the last game would've stripped me off the wins as it lost. I took it that the day in question was my lucky day, just like yours.

Enjoy your wins man, and I encourage you to still maintain your approach to gambling, it's nice to note your mature approach to gambling and even nicer to celebrate with you on your lucky day. Congrats once again.
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First is to understand that gambling always have a risk behind, next is about the amount that you are willing to let go, there are pro gambler who can really manage well and have  a decent outcome each time they place their bets and same with you I guess the amount that they will charge you just to have their prediction is pricy though there's no assurance that it can be a accurate prediction as there's no such words as that when you are dealing with gambling.

More on how will you set your limitations and how good you are in following that, as there's always a price when dealing inside gambling, more on self assessment and controls and how you anticipate the potential outcomes.
It would be better if there is something like a money-back offer or at least get some percent of it, just in case the tip given didn't work as intended. There are still free tipping services out there that we can try and maybe we can find a profitable one. Once we win, we can also return the favour to that tipper by giving them a tip (money). Indeed there is always a price when dealing about gambling, and that is either we will go home empty or go home with some profits on hand.

It's also possible to go out breakeven and this can mostly be achieved if we have a control. It's hard but if we can only think that losing is much worse, I'm sure we can do it.
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Whoa, congratulations! It is true that gambling is fun, and the potential rewards and prizes can be very enticing. Perhaps this is why some gamblers find it difficult to say no to gambling. Due to the variety of emotions I experience, I also find gambling to be exciting and entertaining as a gambler. Sometimes we just blindly place a wager without thinking that it will turn out well or that we will succeed. Life is enjoyable, and I'm slowly coming to understand and experience what other gamblers might go through if they develop an addiction to it. While it is important that we gamble properly, I feel sorry for individuals who are unable to manage their addiction and for those who are being criticized by society rather than receiving support in their fight against it.
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First is to understand that gambling always have a risk behind, next is about the amount that you are willing to let go, there are pro gambler who can really manage well and have  a decent outcome each time they place their bets and same with you I guess the amount that they will charge you just to have their prediction is pricy though there's no assurance that it can be a accurate prediction as there's no such words as that when you are dealing with gambling.

More on how will you set your limitations and how good you are in following that, as there's always a price when dealing inside gambling, more on self assessment and controls and how you anticipate the potential outcomes.
You may limit risk by adopting adequate safeguards, which will protect you from the drama of losing too much money. And becoming addicted. Also, gamble just what you can afford to lose. And it is one of the simplest methods to enjoy gambling while remaining safe, because if you do not learn to take basic gambling precautions, you will suffer repercussions. However, there is a restriction on how much you can gamble. That is where many people do it wrong: they have little control over how or what they gamble on. And why you don't need to put much money is because your prediction can not always always be right, put small money so that when you lose the bet you don't have a problem.
The only key is awareness, on which on the time that you are already spending up that much then it would really be just that common sense that you would really be needing up to stop or call it a day
and dont force yourself to play even more because this is where shit things happen on the time that you would really be doing shit actions. This is why it would be always best that you should really be careful and mindful on the actions you are taking because if you do go into those bad moves then expect that you would really be ending up on having that bad results. Its not really that hard to determine in between things because you could really just make use of your own common sense then you would really be that be able to make yourself having those kind of differentiation in between
things.
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Regardless of your losses? That's a dangerous word, because you cant consider all losses as a good thing in gambling, if you risk too high because regardless of how much you will lose you will still win, this is a bad move, what if the amount you will win isn't going to be as great as the past amounts that gambling has taken from you?

This your advice is good to those who are only risking the amount that they can afford to lose, as for those who believe that they will make money from gambling, and they are risking everything, it's not going to end well for them, because they could end up winning a amount that's not enough to cover for all their past loses.

Do not dream about winning a life changing money from gambling, it's better to look up to this from your jobs or business, investment is a better alternative because it's more reliable, even if your expectations aren't met, you will still make something, unlike gambling, you can never tell and it's also possible not to make anything.

Well Said, of a truth gambling do pays regardless to our loses that's if the money you lose is lower than the one you win.you can't say is regardless of our loses, when you lose like 10k every week then your wining is just like 4k  and not even often,so in this case  your loses is more higher than your winning, which is not normal.so at this point I don't think gambling pays regardless to our loses, because you're not making any profit in it instead you're still losing money.
Both of you are mistaken in the fact that what you are explaining and giving examples of should not be made general. Your gambling expertise, the management and plans, and even the kind of games you gamble on matter, so you can't just say for everyone simply because that is your own approach and results. If I should generalize it, I believe that gambling makes some people happy and makes some people sad. I know of people who are making income regularly in gambling, though they do not put their minds to it because they have good jobs, and when it comes to their gambling portfolio, it's all positive because they mostly win, and I mean about 85% profitable. One thing that is peculiar to them is that they bet mostly on sports betting just like me, so the aspect of gambling we focus our energy upon matters too. While some are persistent losers.

Nonetheless, I believe people are generally still happier with sports betting than in casinos, and to some people, when the two classes of gambling are concerned, they lose more, some profit more, while others have it almost the same way to the point that they do not know the reason why they gamble but for the fun and the hope that they will one day win more than the almost the same habit of winning and losing. So, it is so different with different people. But the fact that the house always wins means that no matter how it is in this argument, more gamblers will still be losing and not be happy, while a lower fraction will be winning and be happy.  That's what keeps the business going, if not, no one would be interested in opening a casino anymore.
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First is to understand that gambling always have a risk behind, next is about the amount that you are willing to let go, there are pro gambler who can really manage well and have  a decent outcome each time they place their bets and same with you I guess the amount that they will charge you just to have their prediction is pricy though there's no assurance that it can be a accurate prediction as there's no such words as that when you are dealing with gambling.

More on how will you set your limitations and how good you are in following that, as there's always a price when dealing inside gambling, more on self assessment and controls and how you anticipate the potential outcomes.
You may limit risk by adopting adequate safeguards, which will protect you from the drama of losing too much money. And becoming addicted. Also, gamble just what you can afford to lose. And it is one of the simplest methods to enjoy gambling while remaining safe, because if you do not learn to take basic gambling precautions, you will suffer repercussions. However, there is a restriction on how much you can gamble. That is where many people do it wrong: they have little control over how or what they gamble on. And why you don't need to put much money is because your prediction can not always always be right, put small money so that when you lose the bet you don't have a problem.
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Gambling does pay and that’s why people still continue to put in money in hopes for a win. Not entirely surprising too.
Congratulations on your win. That’s how gambling works. You win some and you lose some. Your predictions came out right perhaps cause you actually did some research and didn’t bet blindly.

Although the losses incurred in gambling could be significant, having a win most times restores one’s faith in gambling and allows for more betting. If one doesn’t win, there would be no one playing.
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So I brought this topic to let us know that in gambling, if you just play it as though you don't take it seriously whether you win or lose then you might surprisingly win an amount that will amaze you one day and it would look as if you're smart or you know how to predict the outcome of events and in most cases, when a gambler wins they doesn't really care much about their previous losses regardless of the amount they won.

So I just felt like making some predictions in sports betting today and the events was about 8 matches, and it all played according to how I predicted them to go and I won the bet though I spent less than $1 just #1000 in my local currency to place the bet and i won close to $23 which is about #32000 in my local currency as well. Congratulations to me as i didn't expect this winning.

Congratulations buddy, You did a great job! I think that this industry could not be so big if gambling does not give us profit. Because if this is the case, people would not gamble. Although here the amount of gambler profit is more than their loss. And I think this is normal because gambling means investing money depending on luck, here there is a possibility of profit as well as there is a possibility of loss. And if there was only loss or profit, then there would be no excitement. Anyway, congratulations again for your profit, but don't forget that don't gamble above your afford zone, it's better to gamble within the limit.
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Whether a professional or a beginner gambler, they all chases after winning as long they've their funds staked on it. And yes, there are serious and unserious gamblers which the unserious gamblers are those who gambles once a while and if they looses the bets, they feels like yeah, I just wanted to have a tasted of it today because people has been talking so much about gambling and if they wins, they says wow. I'm a  lucky guy but those serious gamblers tends to fell some grieves about when they looses and if they wins they feels like one of the super gamblers who won due to how good they're in the gambling.
But of it all, once a winner always feels good and forgets about their past losts in the main time
Indeed, for many gamblers, it's not just about the money but also about the fun and the excitement involved in the game. While losing can be really disappointing, it still doesn't necessarily mean that the whole effort was a waste of time. Even if a gambler loses, they may still have enjoyed the process of playing the game and the challenge of trying to win. Except for those gamblers who are addicted and are already caught up in the cycle of chasing losses or wins.

Gambling has two rewards, win and loss. Players are expected to be used to these two outcomes, and if a player is mainly concerned about winning alone, he could get disappointed a lot, because it seems that the win comes fewer than the loss. Hence, as a gambler we all have to stay prepared over the loss, and not be scared of coming across it at all times. Moreover, a gambler who let's go of his thoughts on losing, will be quite very happy once his winning results erupts. Winning is a good thing and sends down joy to the brain of a gambler.
Yes gambling is not about winning but those who dare to face losing win more. Of course a gambler has to take risks. Neither victory nor defeat is permanent there. So we should not be disappointed there after the defeat. A gambler who only cares about winning can be in mortal danger if he loses. Therefore, a gambler may lose before gambling, so he has to accept the loss. Those who are true gamblers can enjoy gambling despite its wins and losses. Even if a gambler cannot make profit in gambling, it is certain that a gambler will lose. So of course it is imperative for a gambler to simply accept losses rather than gains.
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Unfortunately pro gamblers don't share their tricks/predictions for free for the reason that they don't want to get involved which is detrimental to other people or their analysis is very expensive for accurate predictions for sports betting, chances are other people won't always share tricks for guessing scores for sports betting and you Focus on understanding the analysis and techniques for guessing scores so you can carry out analysis for personal gambling tricks.

However, you should know that all gambling wins are luck because there are no predictions with exact accuracy, so keep gambling carefully and prioritize setting bets based on funds ready to lose.

First is to understand that gambling always have a risk behind, next is about the amount that you are willing to let go, there are pro gambler who can really manage well and have  a decent outcome each time they place their bets and same with you I guess the amount that they will charge you just to have their prediction is pricy though there's no assurance that it can be a accurate prediction as there's no such words as that when you are dealing with gambling.

More on how will you set your limitations and how good you are in following that, as there's always a price when dealing inside gambling, more on self assessment and controls and how you anticipate the potential outcomes.

Following up experts for their strategies won't help any gambler, because the gambling methods only work differently. Hence, doing it our way is better than depending on any other gambler for strategies. Most time it leads to blames on the strategy owner, since most gamblers run from accepting the responsibility for losing their money, they'll look for who to blame. However, what matters is following our own method, one day it'll work in our favor, like Op's. Placing an affordable money is a good technique that experts can share between other gamblers. As it's a type of gambling method which doesn't affect the gambling result, but saves up money for a gambler, and guarantees more gambling time.

A player who manages his money can easily enjoy the opportunity to gamble for a longer period, thereby enjoying his gambling session. And he would have the opportunity to craft out a better strategy for himself. The experts play for a long time, say 5 hours, with a designated amount of money, for the purpose of understanding how the machine works. This enables a gambler to know the exact minute to wager a bigger amount having a sure trust of winning. Though it's luck, yet we can detect when it's by our side.
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First is to understand that gambling always have a risk behind, next is about the amount that you are willing to let go, there are pro gambler who can really manage well and have  a decent outcome each time they place their bets and same with you I guess the amount that they will charge you just to have their prediction is pricy though there's no assurance that it can be a accurate prediction as there's no such words as that when you are dealing with gambling.

More on how will you set your limitations and how good you are in following that, as there's always a price when dealing inside gambling, more on self assessment and controls and how you anticipate the potential outcomes.

On the long run keep in mind that gambling never pays and you will have trouble dealing with continuous losing effort.These losing efforts are further emphasized when some of the reputable casinos go and change the RTP of their slot games,most of them call this as a normal maintenance work which in fact is nothing else except the change of the RTP and I am talking changing it for the worse as there may be specific cases where they have won a lot and they increase it a bit in favor of the players,in such case I am thinking that they decrease the RTP toward the players.

For sport betting no matter how good you are there is always the referee factor which can impact the game one way or another.

Yes, that means we can't say that anyone will never win at gambling, but unfortunately the problem is that there is absolutely no consistency in terms of winning, it will only happen occasionally and by "coincidence" which means of course in the long run it will end up happening. more detrimental because as we know that this is a business for casinos and it is also a fact that the percentage of losses is much greater than wins, it confirms that gambling is a lucky activity especially in slot games. Regarding the machine RTP percentage, maybe what you said is correct, that when many players managed to win at that time, the casino immediately made changes to the machine RTP percentage, specifically reducing the percentage of the game to make it worse.

I don't really know about this, but what I know about RTP is that the RTP percentage doesn't always matter. I've been to several online casinos, especially slot games, where when the RTP percentage in one of the games is above 95%, but when I tried the game it turned out that the spins looked very bad and all the balance in the account ran out in a short time, but there are also some casinos that do have quite accurate RTP percentages, but most of the casinos try to fool the gamblers through this RTP percentage because it is clear that there are also many gamblers which makes this RTP a reference for choosing games. On the other hand, I cannot say that sports betting is the best, because it still cannot be denied that cheating is always possible to ultimately make the game one-sided and one of them may be the referee factor.
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There are people that have good gambling habit and making profits would not always be a problem to them. Some persons might be having difficulty time making money in gambling while some persons would make money and after a while they would lose the money back to betting. Gambling is always profitable if we know the trick we can be embedding to make money in the market. There are people that don't regularly have luck in gambling that is why we see them making more of losses amd less of winnings. Sometimes, they need to look for people that do make frequent earnings to keep getting signals from them.
Unfortunately pro gamblers don't share their tricks/predictions for free for the reason that they don't want to get involved which is detrimental to other people or their analysis is very expensive for accurate predictions for sports betting, chances are other people won't always share tricks for guessing scores for sports betting and you Focus on understanding the analysis and techniques for guessing scores so you can carry out analysis for personal gambling tricks.

However, you should know that all gambling wins are luck because there are no predictions with exact accuracy, so keep gambling carefully and prioritize setting bets based on funds ready to lose.

First is to understand that gambling always have a risk behind, next is about the amount that you are willing to let go, there are pro gambler who can really manage well and have  a decent outcome each time they place their bets and same with you I guess the amount that they will charge you just to have their prediction is pricy though there's no assurance that it can be a accurate prediction as there's no such words as that when you are dealing with gambling.

More on how will you set your limitations and how good you are in following that, as there's always a price when dealing inside gambling, more on self assessment and controls and how you anticipate the potential outcomes.

On the long run keep in mind that gambling never pays and you will have trouble dealing with continuous losing effort.These losing efforts are further emphasized when some of the reputable casinos go and change the RTP of their slot games,most of them call this as a normal maintenance work which in fact is nothing else except the change of the RTP and I am talking changing it for the worse as there may be specific cases where they have won a lot and they increase it a bit in favor of the players,in such case I am thinking that they decrease the RTP toward the players.

For sport betting no matter how good you are there is always the referee factor which can impact the game one way or another.
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There are people that have good gambling habit and making profits would not always be a problem to them. Some persons might be having difficulty time making money in gambling while some persons would make money and after a while they would lose the money back to betting. Gambling is always profitable if we know the trick we can be embedding to make money in the market. There are people that don't regularly have luck in gambling that is why we see them making more of losses amd less of winnings. Sometimes, they need to look for people that do make frequent earnings to keep getting signals from them.
Unfortunately pro gamblers don't share their tricks/predictions for free for the reason that they don't want to get involved which is detrimental to other people or their analysis is very expensive for accurate predictions for sports betting, chances are other people won't always share tricks for guessing scores for sports betting and you Focus on understanding the analysis and techniques for guessing scores so you can carry out analysis for personal gambling tricks.

However, you should know that all gambling wins are luck because there are no predictions with exact accuracy, so keep gambling carefully and prioritize setting bets based on funds ready to lose.

First is to understand that gambling always have a risk behind, next is about the amount that you are willing to let go, there are pro gambler who can really manage well and have  a decent outcome each time they place their bets and same with you I guess the amount that they will charge you just to have their prediction is pricy though there's no assurance that it can be a accurate prediction as there's no such words as that when you are dealing with gambling.

More on how will you set your limitations and how good you are in following that, as there's always a price when dealing inside gambling, more on self assessment and controls and how you anticipate the potential outcomes.
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Regardless of your losses? That's a dangerous word, because you cant consider all losses as a good thing in gambling, if you risk too high because regardless of how much you will lose you will still win, this is a bad move, what if the amount you will win isn't going to be as great as the past amounts that gambling has taken from you?
I ought to agree with you on this one. This looks like encouragement to those who are gambling and losing their money to gambling that they should just keep on playing regardless of the loss that one day they will eventually have to win their money back, which might not end well for anyone who is not in control of what they are doing.
 
Everyone's luck is not the same when it comes to gambling, and some people can play for months without even having a single win, especially when it's on games that require football predictions. The outcome can be very funny sometimes.

Exactly, the idea of "regardless of loss" is a statement that indirectly has the driving force for someone to continue doing it, this is like a statement to encourage yourself and also like putting hope and faith in your mind that one day everything you have lost will come back again. , and clearly the mistake is that it is very inappropriate if anyone says that in gambling because gambling does not have any certainty of actually being able to win at the end of the session and there is also absolutely no guarantee that you can guarantee that your money will be returned. It is not easy to successfully achieve recovery, and most of what happens is that the amount of loss increases as time passes.

Things like this must be straightened out and justified, because it is clear that in the end they will only be trapped in the cycle of chasing victory to achieve recovery, but this is gambling where when you lose something you are advised to let it go, none other than because if you are chasing what What has been lost then usually the amount of loss will actually get bigger and clearly this is the starting point for a person to enter the addiction phase and ultimately experience a lot of financial problems. Regarding luck, simply put, no one will ever know when they will be lucky and yes, everyone has different luck.
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First I want to say congratulations to you, spending it in a good healthy way,  honestly 26x odds are that good if you bet wirh higher sums of mineh. However, gambling responsably with the amount you can deposit and ready to lose without feelings of regret. I believe that your way of betting is to chase high multiplier or odds and predict sevral matches at once ro win higher. This method needs a strategy to be successful and more importantly money management.

Gambling with calculating your losses is irrigant, you may win bigger one day but not even earn back all the money wasted before reaching that. Same goes with all games it,is better to enjoy your winnings and forget the losses as an extra money you spend for good fun time gambling.
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There are people that have good gambling habit and making profits would not always be a problem to them. Some persons might be having difficulty time making money in gambling while some persons would make money and after a while they would lose the money back to betting. Gambling is always profitable if we know the trick we can be embedding to make money in the market. There are people that don't regularly have luck in gambling that is why we see them making more of losses amd less of winnings. Sometimes, they need to look for people that do make frequent earnings to keep getting signals from them.
Unfortunately pro gamblers don't share their tricks/predictions for free for the reason that they don't want to get involved which is detrimental to other people or their analysis is very expensive for accurate predictions for sports betting, chances are other people won't always share tricks for guessing scores for sports betting and you Focus on understanding the analysis and techniques for guessing scores so you can carry out analysis for personal gambling tricks.

However, you should know that all gambling wins are luck because there are no predictions with exact accuracy, so keep gambling carefully and prioritize setting bets based on funds ready to lose.
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Regardless of your losses? That's a dangerous word, because you cant consider all losses as a good thing in gambling, if you risk too high because regardless of how much you will lose you will still win, this is a bad move, what if the amount you will win isn't going to be as great as the past amounts that gambling has taken from you?
I ought to agree with you on this one. This looks like encouragement to those who are gambling and losing their money to gambling that they should just keep on playing regardless of the loss that one day they will eventually have to win their money back, which might not end well for anyone who is not in control of what they are doing.
 
Everyone's luck is not the same when it comes to gambling, and some people can play for months without even having a single win, especially when it's on games that require football predictions. The outcome can be very funny sometimes.
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Whether a professional or a beginner gambler, they all chases after winning as long they've their funds staked on it. And yes, there are serious and unserious gamblers which the unserious gamblers are those who gambles once a while and if they looses the bets, they feels like yeah, I just wanted to have a tasted of it today because people has been talking so much about gambling and if they wins, they says wow. I'm a  lucky guy but those serious gamblers tends to fell some grieves about when they looses and if they wins they feels like one of the super gamblers who won due to how good they're in the gambling.
But of it all, once a winner always feels good and forgets about their past losts in the main time
Indeed, for many gamblers, it's not just about the money but also about the fun and the excitement involved in the game. While losing can be really disappointing, it still doesn't necessarily mean that the whole effort was a waste of time. Even if a gambler loses, they may still have enjoyed the process of playing the game and the challenge of trying to win. Except for those gamblers who are addicted and are already caught up in the cycle of chasing losses or wins.

Gambling has two rewards, win and loss. Players are expected to be used to these two outcomes, and if a player is mainly concerned about winning alone, he could get disappointed a lot, because it seems that the win comes fewer than the loss. Hence, as a gambler we all have to stay prepared over the loss, and not be scared of coming across it at all times. Moreover, a gambler who let's go of his thoughts on losing, will be quite very happy once his winning results erupts. Winning is a good thing and sends down joy to the brain of a gambler.

Despite the multiple losses, the player will be happy he won, even if he loses again, and again, his previous win will make him keep going for more, hoping on his next win. Gambling is fun both ways; win or loss. But we fail to acknowledge this, as the human brain has been wired since birth that losing is wrong. Yet, we fail that without losing we wouldn't have the zeal to win, or be as happy as we get once, we have a win. Gamblers who enjoy both wouldn't care about facing any challenge or pain, when anyone surfaces.
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