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Topic: Gamblingtec Signature Campaign | Get BTC or your own casino brand [CLOSED] - page 5. (Read 4352 times)

sr. member
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Love it - what software did you use to create the meme?
Don't love that meme. It was an indirect assault to you.

I am not insulted, I have a good and very dry sense of humour. I baited them, they took the bait... my point was to show how ludicrous the escrow requirement is since it adds just an extra layer to be scammed under.

You afraid of scammers and yet you took someone who can potentially scam as escrow, good job.  The people in this forum had been here for years and have seen it all from scammers who copied rules to scammers who has set up date of pay a week to months later. We have seen it all before.

You don't wanna associate your gambling site to a scammer, it will be remembered by the users here and will be internet record for reference.

Note: Its possible that he will also ask KYC from participants.
hero member
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

I have no doubt that the many reputable people would do a great job. We, however, have a culture clash here. By law, we need to do KYC on anyone offering a financial type service. By culture, no one offering such a service is going to provide the information we require. To hand over private information for a few lousy bucks is not worth it to them (I would not do it) and for us to do business with a third party for a few lousy bucks and break our contracts, is not worth it either.

So it will be better for everyone if we start our campaign small and show that we are trustworthy.


I don't understand why you are failing to understand this simple logic. Game-protect guy is a fuckin idiot and multiple people including myself have spoken against him. He is unstable and clearly not the right person to act as an authoritative figure to protect anyone's money let alone be an escrow. He can't be trusted. You can pick literally anyone else with hundreds of time better reputation than him and the odds are that you'd be able to KYC them. It's not about culture clash, you are only making it look like that.
copper member
Activity: 69
Merit: 2
Professional sports book punter.
Is it a good or bad start for a campaign that chooses not to escrow to a more reputable escrow, the rate is good but surprised that they are not setting a limit on a post, we'll we see another stake.com campaign because of the absence of limit of posting.

There is a limit, 5 to 20 posts per week (we do not want to spam the boards).
copper member
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Professional sports book punter.
If people don't like the escrow, don't participate in the campaign.  Simple as that.  He shouldn't be forced to use a certain escrow, bitcoiners should believe in freedom.
What freedom are you talking about, we have seen many scams in the forum and everyone will be skeptical if a newbie starts a campaign and then copies one of the managers design and words and then the OP took the escrow of a person who never did any escrow before and never willing to take any legit escrows here and now a newbie account vouching against it, everything seems legit  Roll Eyes.

my point was to show how ludicrous the escrow requirement is since it adds just an extra layer to be scammed under.
The escrows that were mentioned were reputed members in this forum who handled 1000 of bitcoins and how much amount you are planning to escrow, hopefully not more than i have mentioned for a campaign right Tongue.

I have no doubt that the many reputable people would do a great job. We, however, have a culture clash here. By law, we need to do KYC on anyone offering a financial type service. By culture, no one offering such a service is going to provide the information we require. To hand over private information for a few lousy bucks is not worth it to them (I would not do it) and for us to do business with a third party for a few lousy bucks and break our contracts, is not worth it either.

So it will be better for everyone if we start our campaign small and show that we are trustworthy.
hero member
Activity: 1400
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If people don't like the escrow, don't participate in the campaign.  Simple as that.  He shouldn't be forced to use a certain escrow, bitcoiners should believe in freedom.
What freedom are you talking about, we have seen many scams in the forum and everyone will be skeptical if a newbie starts a campaign and then copies one of the managers design and words and then the OP took the escrow of a person who never did any escrow before and never willing to take any legit escrows here and now a newbie account vouching against it, everything seems legit  Roll Eyes.

my point was to show how ludicrous the escrow requirement is since it adds just an extra layer to be scammed under.
The escrows that were mentioned were reputed members in this forum who handled 1000 of bitcoins and how much amount you are planning to escrow, hopefully not more than i have mentioned for a campaign right Tongue.
copper member
Activity: 69
Merit: 2
Professional sports book punter.
Love it - what software did you use to create the meme?
Don't love that meme. It was an indirect assault to you.

I am not insulted, I have a good and very dry sense of humour. I baited them, they took the bait... my point was to show how ludicrous the escrow requirement is since it adds just an extra layer to be scammed under.
legendary
Activity: 2450
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Is it a good or bad start for a campaign that chooses not to escrow to a more reputable escrow, the rate is good but surprised that they are not setting a limit on a post, we'll we see another stake.com campaign because of the absence of limit of posting.
sr. member
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I'm almost certain this campaign won't pay anyone if they use the guy as escrow. game-protect obnoxiously pronounce he despise signature campaign/bounty hunters in his posts which in his term "signature spammers"  but now has changed his mind and will escrow the funds? Did he just ate his own dick?  The purpose of escrow is for participants to trust the campaign not to scare them away but that is exactly what this campaign manager is doing.
member
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I'm more surprised you were able to get game-protect to hand over his ID and do KYC to escrow a thousand dollars at most.
At the least how did they get game-protect to accept to be used as an escrow, when this escrow service is not even part of what is offered by this user based on their thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/game-protect-online-gaming-consumer-protection-1535816 Huh

And not to mention the active flag that warns us of the possibility of losing money was this ignored Tongue
legendary
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If people don't like the escrow, don't participate in the campaign.  Simple as that.  He shouldn't be forced to use a certain escrow, bitcoiners should believe in freedom.
I can not tell about others. If they are pushing or not but I am not pushing OP for an escrow. All I am suggesting him is that if he really wants to use an escrow then go with a trusted one instead of someone who has tons of red tags and is creating drama instead of really having the service.

OP is free to run his business however he wants. He will be fine as long as everyone who joins his campaign gets paid for their participation.
newbie
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If people don't like the escrow, don't participate in the campaign.  Simple as that.  He shouldn't be forced to use a certain escrow, bitcoiners should believe in freedom.
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I do not disagree with the use of escrow as it installs trust. Unfortunately, this is not as cut and dry as one may think.

If DarkStar (or any other) is willing to sign a contract, and hand over KYC i.e. two forms of ID, proof of address (utility bill no older than 3 months or equivalent [and for each director of the comapny]) and have on hand a valid tax return for the past financial year (personally or for their company), we can work with them. Otherwise, we can not risk working with individuals who wish to remain anonymous and at the same time handle our funds. If for any reason the individual or company we use is in any way linked to drug money, fraud, money laundering, etc. we stand to lose more than a few bucks thrown at a marketing campaign.

I trust this is clear. If you do not agree, then we will simply not work with you.

I suspect that participants are not going to get paid. The OP could be closely associated with game-protect or is making the claim that he is acting as escrow without his knowledge, but in either case, I do not have confidence that anyone will receive payment.

From the looks of it, this is not going to stop many people for advertising this business.
My money is on the OP being closely associated with Game-Protect

I have also messaged game-protect to confirm/deny that he is holding money in escrow to guarantee payment of participants.
legendary
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I'm more surprised you were able to get game-protect to hand over his ID and do KYC to escrow a thousand dollars at most.
legendary
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Farewell LEO: o_e_l_e_o
I do not disagree with the use of escrow as it installs trust. Unfortunately, this is not as cut and dry as one may think.

If DarkStar (or any other) is willing to sign a contract, and hand over KYC i.e. two forms of ID, proof of address (utility bill no older than 3 months or equivalent [and for each director of the comapny]) and have on hand a valid tax return for the past financial year (personally or for their company), we can work with them. Otherwise, we can not risk working with individuals who wish to remain anonymous and at the same time handle our funds. If for any reason the individual or company we use is in any way linked to drug money, fraud, money laundering, etc. we stand to lose more than a few bucks thrown at a marketing campaign.

You are the ultimate decision maker for your business but the things you are asking from an escrow here, it does not work like this in this community. This is a crypto currency community. We are very sensitive with our privacy. Our trust is in cryptographic proofs and blockchain which is publicly accessible, nothing hidden there.

I surely can not speak for DarkStar_ or any other escrow in this forum but I believe the following will be true for all of them:

If you ask them to handover their ID and stuffs to you then you will hear a "no" however if you ask them to sign a Bitcoin address which they have staked here which proves it's really them and their history in this community then I am sure they will be more than happy to offer you their service. You need to accept the culture of a community if you want to business with them.

Talking about drags and money laundering and all these stuffs, I am not sure how it's relevant with your service. You need someone who will hold your fund for you and will use the fund as per your given terms.

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I trust this is clear. If you do not agree, then we will simply not work with you.
Of course your message is clear but your expectation is unrealistic. You are trying to step-in in a community without respecting their culture.
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Professional sports book punter.
It is always good to use a trusted escrow if the campaign is posting by a newbie user but if they do not escrow then no one can force them either. The participants will join the signature campaign with their own risk.

An escrow is def good, thats why we have chosen game-protect, the name says its all "game" and "protect", everyone wins.
The whole idea to have an escrow is that you do not want the community to ask a question about the fund for the campaign. You want the community feel safe that whoever will participate in your campaign, they will get paid. But you have picked someone as your escrow who has tons of negative feedback (trusted) from users which will create a lot of drama in the community (from the posts above I see the drama has already in play).

I never had a chat or never used any service from game protect so I personally have no stance for him/them but having a lot of negative feedback does not look good under a profile.

Here is a fee suggestion for you: You do not need to use an escrow if you really want to go with game protect. It will be a waste for the fees you will pay him/them.

If you are really serious about escrow then use someone who has existing escrow service in the forum and well trusted with the money. For example: Use DarkStar_. He has the lowest fees (I think) and he is one of the multiSig wallet key holder of the 500BTC the forum has.

I do not disagree with the use of escrow as it installs trust. Unfortunately, this is not as cut and dry as one may think.

If DarkStar (or any other) is willing to sign a contract, and hand over KYC i.e. two forms of ID, proof of address (utility bill no older than 3 months or equivalent [and for each director of the comapny]) and have on hand a valid tax return for the past financial year (personally or for their company), we can work with them. Otherwise, we can not risk working with individuals who wish to remain anonymous and at the same time handle our funds. If for any reason the individual or company we use is in any way linked to drug money, fraud, money laundering, etc. we stand to lose more than a few bucks thrown at a marketing campaign.

I trust this is clear. If you do not agree, then we will simply not work with you.
legendary
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Farewell LEO: o_e_l_e_o
It is always good to use a trusted escrow if the campaign is posting by a newbie user but if they do not escrow then no one can force them either. The participants will join the signature campaign with their own risk.

An escrow is def good, thats why we have chosen game-protect, the name says its all "game" and "protect", everyone wins.
The whole idea to have an escrow is that you do not want the community to ask question about the fund for the campaign. You want the community feel safe that whoever will participate in your campaign, they will get paid. But you have picked someone as your escrow who has tons of negative feedback (trusted) from users which will create a lot of drama in the community (from the posts above I see the drama has already in play).

I never had a chat or never used any service from game protect so I personally have no stance for him/them but having a lot of negative feedback does not look good under a profile.

Here is a fee suggestion for you: You do not need to use an escrow if you really want to go with game protect. It will be a waste for the fees you will pay him/them.

If you are really serious about escrow then use someone who has existing escrow service in the forum and well trusted with the money. For example: Use DarkStar_. He has the lowest fees (I think) and he is one of the multiSig wallet key holder of the 500BTC the forum has.
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Love it - what software did you use to create the meme?
Don't love that meme. It was an indirect assault to you.
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I notice manager did not put the number of participants that he wants to enroll here, I don't want to connect it to other campaign but the only two campaigns that does not limit their participants are Yobit and Stake.com, I bet they will soon have a lot of applicants here when the early birds successfully cash out.
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