I dont understand why Pure had to see a live stream while he was still competing, and funny thing he knows very well that the game room they were in is full of camera's..just a clumsy decision from him to be honest!!
As for the results, well results are Based on final score and not technical results..I can only imagine having won such a bet and only to come back to see your balance is less than expected or in the negative...but i believe sportsbooks will settle it as it was the first time not based on amended results.
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Hmm. Definitely something to discuss about with what happened. Taking advantage of that during pause is something that is unfair and can be taken advantage of. I never thought that they would be doing that at that level but I guess that's just how much they want to win. Maybe they can do something.
You can find youtube videos with players found cheating in live tournaments. I remember that one guy had an aimbot encoded into the flash memory of his mouse. People will do anything to win, but in many of these cases they can cause a lot of problems not only to themselves but also their teammates. Basically they lose everything in that single stupid move: position, money, contract, recognition, fans, friends...
To answer the OP's question, if you're lucky and manage to withdraw, the money's yours, but most casinos will roll it back and take the win if they can in such case.
What will happen to the losers and winners of that game to the bet?
I can see there are some platforms that already deducted the winning of some person from their balance.
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I took Rollbit's terms and conditions that applies to this case:
The above rule is like a double-edge sword as it could cause losses to either bookie or gambler. Rollbit will just take the losses in case they paid more to those who bet on Betloom and those gamblers who bet on Tundra can't do anything about this since it's clearly stated in the betting rules.
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3.5. The winner of an event will be determined on the date of the event’s conclusion. Sportsbook platform does not recognize protests or overturned decisions for betting purposes. The settlement of an event suspended after the start of the competition will be decided according to the betting rules specified for that sport by Sportsbook platform
The above rule is like a double-edge sword as it could cause losses to either bookie or gambler. Rollbit will just take the losses in case they paid more to those who bet on Betloom and those gamblers who bet on Tundra can't do anything about this since it's clearly stated in the betting rules.
I support that ToS rule because the sportsbook platform cannot be responsible for mistakes on the part of the organizer of the event. If the organizer could not find proof of cheating on the day of the game and did not suspend the announcement of the result of the match, they're to blame here, not the casino. It's impossible for the casino to start suing people, demanding they return the money, in case they've already withdrawn. It's better to take the result as given by the company that judged the event.
Most of the time will be voided.
However, situations like these after the winning are credited. Some of user is already withdraw the money they're winning, (this is just my 2 cent) the casino will trying to cover first. Then, they're gonna hold the user fund/deducted once they fill-up their account again with the money they're deposited.
Off course, this statement is just based of my 2 cent.
However, situations like these after the winning are credited. Some of user is already withdraw the money they're winning, (this is just my 2 cent) the casino will trying to cover first. Then, they're gonna hold the user fund/deducted once they fill-up their account again with the money they're deposited.
Off course, this statement is just based of my 2 cent.
Wow, this is not very common to happen, I particularly never experienced this situation.
I was very curious and looked to see if there is something in the rules that details this situation, and I found it, at least on the platform I use:
So, the bets will be voided, but I don't what happens if the users already did a withdraw for example, pretty hard to deal with this situation, since the campanies and the users are not guilty in this case
I was very curious and looked to see if there is something in the rules that details this situation, and I found it, at least on the platform I use:
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➔ In the case where there is an overruling of a match result by the organizer due to unforeseen circumstances -
such as cheating - all bets on that match will be voided.
Source: Duelbitssuch as cheating - all bets on that match will be voided.
So, the bets will be voided, but I don't what happens if the users already did a withdraw for example, pretty hard to deal with this situation, since the campanies and the users are not guilty in this case
With this kind of terms, I believe casino will have a hard time dealing with this specific match result since the rule overturned after 24hours which makes every user potentially withdrawn or lose all their bankroll from the profit in that specific bet.
The match of Betboom against Tundra is clearly a win for Betboom. In my opinion, Duelbits might stand on the initial result since the reason for overturning the result is just a very silly livestream that doesn’t affect the gameplay.
In the sportsbook i've been using, they still haven't changed the results up until now, but if I probably used a different sportsbook, it'd be pushed or settled as void.
I assume most sportsbooks would correct the tickets because that's how they handle it whenever there's an unexpected change in the results. Other bettors can be lucky if the sportsbook doesn't have a rule for these unusual cases, and it might be why my bet is still settled as a win.
I assume most sportsbooks would correct the tickets because that's how they handle it whenever there's an unexpected change in the results. Other bettors can be lucky if the sportsbook doesn't have a rule for these unusual cases, and it might be why my bet is still settled as a win.
Hmm. Definitely something to discuss about with what happened. Taking advantage of that during pause is something that is unfair and can be taken advantage of. I never thought that they would be doing that at that level but I guess that's just how much they want to win. Maybe they can do something.
Wow, this is not very common to happen, I particularly never experienced this situation.
I was very curious and looked to see if there is something in the rules that details this situation, and I found it, at least on the platform I use:
So, the bets will be voided, but I don't what happens if the users already did a withdraw for example, pretty hard to deal with this situation, since the campanies and the users are not guilty in this case
I was very curious and looked to see if there is something in the rules that details this situation, and I found it, at least on the platform I use:
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➔ In the case where there is an overruling of a match result by the organizer due to unforeseen circumstances -
such as cheating - all bets on that match will be voided.
Source: Duelbitssuch as cheating - all bets on that match will be voided.
So, the bets will be voided, but I don't what happens if the users already did a withdraw for example, pretty hard to deal with this situation, since the campanies and the users are not guilty in this case
Damn, whichever the decision goes there is a party that will be mad not just at the platform. The cheat seem effective since they won, they just however were caught though.
While the Tundra team celebrates, those who bet for Tundra didn't win a thing.
If they have withdrawn I guess they are lucky, I hope the bookmaker will not take away some of his funds when he once again deposits coins to his account. Because I think they will. Its a money loss from them if they allow it.
Once a bet is settled, it stays settled, as the saying goes in the gambling world. This figurative line in the sand ensures that the platform can continue to function as intended and is fair to all users. What happens, though, when the very idea of fair play, which serves as the basis for such integrity, comes into question? Very intriguing...
If the platforms changed the results, wouldn't that be against their own rules? But if they don't, aren't they tacitly supporting dishonest methods? A difficult problem of the highest kind...
If the platforms changed the results, wouldn't that be against their own rules? But if they don't, aren't they tacitly supporting dishonest methods? A difficult problem of the highest kind...
Wow, this is not very common to happen, I particularly never experienced this situation.
I was very curious and looked to see if there is something in the rules that details this situation, and I found it, at least on the platform I use:
So, the bets will be voided, but I don't what happens if the users already did a withdraw for example, pretty hard to deal with this situation, since the campanies and the users are not guilty in this case
I was very curious and looked to see if there is something in the rules that details this situation, and I found it, at least on the platform I use:
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➔ In the case where there is an overruling of a match result by the organizer due to unforeseen circumstances -
such as cheating - all bets on that match will be voided.
Source: Duelbitssuch as cheating - all bets on that match will be voided.
So, the bets will be voided, but I don't what happens if the users already did a withdraw for example, pretty hard to deal with this situation, since the campanies and the users are not guilty in this case
Stake.com voided the bet . That would be followed by all other decent sportsbooks
If its stated on their rules then this option is more possible.Cheating can happen in sports and the league might change their decision alter on because of this and I'm sure the site are more prepared with regards to this one. Better to contact the support of the site and ask for clarification and what will happen to their bets since the result changed after cheating. I'm looking for a specific clause with regards to this one, so far I didn't see any specific rules for this.
I am curious about what will happen to the users who already withdraw some funds from their accounts.
Or the user's balance is not already enough to pay back the winnings of the defaulted game?
I saw on some gambling sites that this 1 user shared a screenshot of his gambling platform balance, it's already negative because I think he already withdrawn all of his winnings before they defaulted the game.
Or the user's balance is not already enough to pay back the winnings of the defaulted game?
I saw on some gambling sites that this 1 user shared a screenshot of his gambling platform balance, it's already negative because I think he already withdrawn all of his winnings before they defaulted the game.
Bets is settled based on the initial official result or the game will be void but most of the time the initial result will govern especially if the bet is already settled before the overturning of the new result.
This is still case to case basis but most of the time my explanation above governed because I experience same scenario like this and I still keep my profit despite my bet result was supposed to be lose based on new result.
Stake.com voided the bet . That would be followed by all other decent sportsbooks
My question here is, what will happen to gambling platforms who already settled the bets?
Should they revert back to the winnings and losses of their users? What will happen to the losers and winners of that game to the bet?
I think cases like this happen very rarely and if it does it usually depends on the TOS on the gambling platform. There are gambling platforms that give refunds to their users, some still maintain the results of the previous match, even if the results change in the end. Because losses will certainly be experienced by both parties, whether it's the gambling platform or the user. If the gambling platform returns, they will definitely make payments twice, which could make them lose. Or if they keep their previous results, maybe they have nothing to lose but will receive protests from users and users may be reluctant to play again on that platform. So cases like this will usually be troublesome for gambling platforms.
I am curious about what will happen to the users who already withdraw some funds from their accounts.
Or the user's balance is not already enough to pay back the winnings of the defaulted game?
I saw on some gambling sites that this 1 user shared a screenshot of his gambling platform balance, it's already negative because I think he already withdrawn all of his winnings before they defaulted the game.
Or the user's balance is not already enough to pay back the winnings of the defaulted game?
I saw on some gambling sites that this 1 user shared a screenshot of his gambling platform balance, it's already negative because I think he already withdrawn all of his winnings before they defaulted the game.
That is the main problem. The terms of service will be the best document to settle this controversy. But if the ToS is silent in this matter, there should be a place for compromise, maybe the new and old winners should accept half payments. But if the first winner has absconded, the casino and the new winners would have to find a common ground to settle this issue. The first winner can just withdraw his funds and stop visiting the casino if he is asked to refund the win. Most reputable casinos will devise a way to settle this issue but others might find it difficult to handle it. Some casinos pay 24 hours after a win. This clause would have limited the consequences of this change of result.
That rule is for late changes but in that case results were changes hours after the game ended.
I Will try to talk with them...thanks for the reply
I Will try to talk with them...thanks for the reply
This will be a hard task for the gambling platform themselves but they have to be fair to those who actually won the game after the news.
Another solution is just voiding all the bets on that game. If some gamblers are already paid for their winning ticket then just take back whatever the gambling platform gave them and give back their betting amount. I mean, it will also not be fair for them because they also thought they already won it.
But this is more of a heartache for those who lost the bet but after 24 hours will know they should actually be in profit. Will they accept a "voided" result instead? I will. As long as I get my money back. That's better than a loss and I will not even fight telling it should be a win. I'm satisfied with just the money I bet to be sent back to me.
Another solution is just voiding all the bets on that game. If some gamblers are already paid for their winning ticket then just take back whatever the gambling platform gave them and give back their betting amount. I mean, it will also not be fair for them because they also thought they already won it.
But this is more of a heartache for those who lost the bet but after 24 hours will know they should actually be in profit. Will they accept a "voided" result instead? I will. As long as I get my money back. That's better than a loss and I will not even fight telling it should be a win. I'm satisfied with just the money I bet to be sent back to me.
Anyone knows if BC Casino should change results? I was a Tundra Bettor and i loss but after ALL that incident I opened a disputes but I dont know If I can win
If they haven't made any changes to your bet and balance until now then I guess that means it's already final. You can still wait for their reply but it doesn't look like you're going to win your dispute if we're going to based it on their betting rules.https://bc.game/help/terms-sports
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3.5 The winner of an event will be determined on the date of the event’s conclusion. Sportsbook platform does not recognize protested or overturned decisions for betting purposes. The settlement of an event suspended after the start of the competition will be decided according to the betting rules specified for that sport by Sportsbook platform
Their position is similar to Rollbit.
This is from eSport Dota 2 game that happened 24 hours ago.
BetBoom Vs Tundra = Winner yesterday is Betboom
After 24 hours, they defaulted to a loss for Betboom.
I think the reason is one of the players of BetBoom was caught cheating, but the game already settled in most gambling platforms.
My question here is, what will happen to gambling platforms who already settled the bets?
Should they revert back to the winnings and losses of their users? What will happen to the losers and winners of that game to the bet?
I can see there are some platforms that already deducted the winning of some person from their balance.
The most logical path here is to just get it on with, and refund the wins of the players who made a bet to Betboom and give it to Tundra, although of course, there would be issues that would come around considering that they already made the bet. I'm not sure as to what would happen or what other casinos would do in this type of situation, but I'm guessing it's either of these two choices: Quote
Though no official reason was given, BetBoom’s Ivan “Pure” Moskalenko was found out to be alt-tabbing during a paused game, pulling up another stream — reportedly Aleksandr “Nix” Levin’s, who was broadcasting the Bali Major.
- Read more hereBetBoom Vs Tundra = Winner yesterday is Betboom
After 24 hours, they defaulted to a loss for Betboom.
I think the reason is one of the players of BetBoom was caught cheating, but the game already settled in most gambling platforms.
My question here is, what will happen to gambling platforms who already settled the bets?
Should they revert back to the winnings and losses of their users? What will happen to the losers and winners of that game to the bet?
I can see there are some platforms that already deducted the winning of some person from their balance.
1. They give both parties the win, in which case everyone would be happy but the casino would suffer immediate losses which they can probably gain anyway in a day or two, a whole week if they are unlucky.
2. They don't do anything and carry on with their lives, in that case people will definitely bang on their door to do something especially those who made bets to Tundra since they deserve the win in a sense.
Among these choices the best one would be the former, except for the temporary losses they could recuperate anyway especially if they are a reputable casino, this act of honesty and integrity could paint them in a great light to gamblers, resulting to more revenue for them as these people will surely recommend the casino to their peers.
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