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legendary
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July 07, 2012, 03:05:25 PM
#25
Deflation?  You mean deflation of the money supply?  Sounds unlikely, at least it sure would be unlikely if I had the keys to the printing presses Wink  OK perhaps deflation of that money supply which is drawn on by to the primary purchasers of gasoline, but even that I find difficult to believe. 

Much more likely in my opinion:  price fixing and backroom decisions based on political and generally boring goals (making some extremely rich people even richer).  The major public players in this market are the Pentagon, OPEC, Rockefellers.  Most likely there are some other major players I don't know about. 

If free market microeconomics dominate control of the price of gasoline, can you explain to me the price discrepancy between different European nations (E.g. Germany and Switzerland), between different American nations (e.g. between Venezuela and USA), or between different middle eastern or Asian gas stations?     
member
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July 07, 2012, 01:40:29 PM
#24
Its complex and its not always easy to value the dollar, but my opinion is that its mostly reduced demand causing the gas prices to fall at the moment...
hero member
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July 06, 2012, 08:36:50 PM
#23
There is a difference between profitable to the individual and profitable to a large multi-national organization. I know personally that my energy usage could go way down without significantly affecting my quality of life... and I don't really use that much (relative to the stats I've seen from others). If people were generating their own electricity, and budgeting their activities accordingly, it is possible that "global energy usage" would drop dramatically.

Also, my understanding is that: global economics fubar = consumption down = USD deflation
legendary
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July 06, 2012, 08:09:32 AM
#22
Gasoline prices will continue to fall.  The trucking industry, which accounts for 1/3 of all US oil consumption, can be converted to run on natural gas, and Obama has signed legislation to support this.  Natural gas can also be converted into oil very profitably at the current price ratio with GTL technology, and Shell and SASOL competing to build these facilities in the US.  Additionally, the price of solar panels has dropped by 75% in the last three years.  Solar is now competitive with daytime electricity rates, and it will continue to get cheaper.  But putting solar panels on roofs is just the tip of the iceberg.  By mid-century, most of our power will come from space.  Space-based solar panels are much more efficient as the sunlight is 5.5 times stronger in space, and the panels always operate at 100% with no night.  The power will get beamed to earth in the form of microwaves.  Private enterprise will lower the cost of space launch enough to undercut other methods of power generation.  Much to the environmentalist's delight, oil is on its way out.

I recently read "Private Empire" ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/Private-Empire-ExxonMobil-American-Power/dp/1846146593/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341579850&sr=8-1 ), which despite the name turned out to be a rather level-headed read. Among other interesting tidbits, it outlines Exxon's recent studies into the future of energy, namely, whether they should be looking at alternative energy sources seriously or not. Their conclusion was that everything that could threaten the status quo of fossil fuels as the main source of energy (overwhelmingly by the way, check out some stats for global energy production...) requires several near-miraculous discoveries in the near term.

Now, Exxon isn't exactly unbiased, but still, solar is so small now that even assuming yearly growth rates in the double digits, the industry will be hard pressed to gain more than a few percent of total global energy production within the next few decades, as energy consumption is projected to grow as well...

As for gas prices currently, the news outlets here say it's simply because of the global economic fubar. Consumption is down.
sr. member
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July 06, 2012, 01:07:07 AM
#21
Gasoline prices will continue to fall.  The trucking industry, which accounts for 1/3 of all US oil consumption, can be converted to run on natural gas, and Obama has signed legislation to support this.  Natural gas can also be converted into oil very profitably at the current price ratio with GTL technology, and Shell and SASOL competing to build these facilities in the US.  Additionally, the price of solar panels has dropped by 75% in the last three years.  Solar is now competitive with daytime electricity rates, and it will continue to get cheaper.  But putting solar panels on roofs is just the tip of the iceberg.  By mid-century, most of our power will come from space.  Space-based solar panels are much more efficient as the sunlight is 5.5 times stronger in space, and the panels always operate at 100% with no night.  The power will get beamed to earth in the form of microwaves.  Private enterprise will lower the cost of space launch enough to undercut other methods of power generation.  Much to the environmentalist's delight, oil is on its way out.
sr. member
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July 02, 2012, 08:47:05 PM
#20
Simply less demand and too much supply. Dont worry the oil companies and OPEC will slow production and drilling to make it go back up.
ITS WHAT THEY DO.
hero member
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July 02, 2012, 06:59:48 PM
#19
It is not deflation!  It is the electric car.  They notice when gas prices go down, electric car sales stall.  Thus, they have to keep the prices down.
sr. member
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July 02, 2012, 09:42:19 AM
#18
Regardless to cause, I'm lovin' the lack of pain at the pump. Driving 400 miles a week in a shitty sedan isn't cheap.

Until tax season. Grin
member
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July 02, 2012, 04:19:09 AM
#17
Oil isnt 100% neccesary for economic growth, certain things require more oil than others... Manufacturing for example... But as a general correlation at the moment, less growth could be related to less oil demand...
hero member
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June 30, 2012, 12:35:32 PM
#16
Everytime that dimwit spoke on tv, I seen the gas prices jump. Had obama stopped speaking on tv lately?
legendary
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June 30, 2012, 07:22:07 AM
#15
I think you're overcomplicating it.  The USD is still the world's reserve currency in spite of reports of its demise.

Econ 101 doesn't change; supply and demand are 90+% of it.  Energy demand is linked to economic growth:  No growth = no energy demand.  Simple.
legendary
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June 30, 2012, 06:23:23 AM
#14
It's Econ 101: supply and demand.

Energy prices in general have been falling, including gasoline.  Falling energy prices indicate declining demand for energy.  Energy demand is linked to economy activity and growth.  Global economic activity has decreased due to the financial crisis that came to a head in 2008.  As a result, global economic growth has basically stopped and the corresponding demand for energy has decreased.

Energy is used for manufacturing and transportation of goods.  If people aren't buying things then there's no need to make or transport them so energy demand goes down.

Gasoline's price action is not independent of energy in general.  It's linked directly to overall energy demand.
member
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June 30, 2012, 06:05:37 AM
#13
People are using less gas...

Simple...

Less demand = less prices

I doubt the supply has increased much...
hero member
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June 29, 2012, 05:26:47 PM
#12


I remembered prices always rising in the summer, I guess the ramp up usually lasts until about May.
donator
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June 29, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
#11
Are you kidding about the gas price being low? It does fluctuate. This is traveling season and if the price stays too high, people won't travel and businesses will fail. If businesses fail, then people won't be buying fuel. We've already seen a drop in fuel consumption over the last decade. The people profiteering off the war-based energy markets we have now are smart enough not to purposely kill the economy. This is the time of year they spend their 'hard earned' profits to vacation and give the slaves a short respite before they tighten up the bit again.
hero member
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June 29, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
#10
Ha,

Ok, so we have

1) Speculation due to news about alternative energy sources (natgas)
2) Trolls
3) Deflation due to banks paying off interest to other banks
4) Increased supply due to fracking, decreased demand due to deflation (see 3)
5) Election year... this basically means Obama, how so?
6) Speculation due to news about possible war with a major oil producing country which would influence future supply.

All of these are probably contributing factors, the deflation argument seems dominant to me just because other assets have been falling vs the USD for the last couple months as well. I still don't understand what the president of the US could be doing to have such a massive influence on oil prices.
legendary
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June 29, 2012, 11:46:33 AM
#9
All the Iran rumors drove it up in a time of waning demand.  Nothing happened and now all the reserves are full, so the market returned to reality from rumorville.
legendary
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June 29, 2012, 10:16:26 AM
#8
election year
legendary
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June 29, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
#7
Its not deflation.  Its a supply and demand issue.  The supply isn't as low as was previously thought (fracking etc putting new oil into the supply).   The demand is lower because the price is high and the economic slowdown.  Also it seems the rampant speculation in oil that was artificially driving it up has tapered off somewhat.
legendary
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June 29, 2012, 09:32:18 AM
#6
Fracking.

They're fracking up our water supply.
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