Gathering Opinions: Stickies in Lending

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Quote from: Micon on August 13, 2012, 03:49:41 PM

Quote from: theymos on August 12, 2012, 09:42:06 PM

I created the subforum. Someone else can move the posts.

1) at least they are out of Lending

2) "Long Term offers"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=88.0

is not the right words for the sub-forum. Here are some suggestions for naming that forum that you wont' have to move all the scams:

-- 1000%+ APY Investment offers
-- Extremely high yield investment plans (still would have to set an APY cut off)
-- Questionable Investment Plans (either mod or community voting could be applied)

Its not for you to decide what is legitimate nor how people invest their coins.

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Without getting into this entire discussion, there is one problem with the Long-term Offers board - it is buried too deep from the main page. I believe that right now Lending, and "Long-term lending", is one important aspect of Bitcoin, and shouldn't be buried so deep that it's not reachable from the main page.

Can the Long-term lending board be a sister board to the lending board? (Perhaps Lending should be renamed "Private loans", as opposed to "Professional loans")?

I realize that this is not ideal, and adds clutter to the top level, but I think the current alternative is worse.

(For the record, I thought we were doing just fine with one Lending board)

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Quote from: myrkul on August 13, 2012, 03:53:44 PM

If I find one (or even a few) rotten apples in a basket, should I then label the basket "Rotten apples"?

no you shouldn't. But only rotten apples should be in the basket labeled such. further more there are many of them.

I further propose to list what they are: 1000%+ APY investment offers from anonymous internet people. A catergory re-name to:

"1000%+ APY investments"

seems best to me right now. That is factually correct, and by nature those with fundamental understanding of economics will know that grouping will be all scams

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Quote from: gene on August 13, 2012, 08:45:28 AM

What a surprise. The scam-artists want to get the expose as far away from their promotional material as possible.

Keep in mind that the scam subforum (I fail to see how a ponzi scheme qualifies as "long-term") remains under the legitimate heading "Lending."

I made a suggestion, and you call me names.

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If I find one (or even a few) rotten apples in a basket, should I then label the basket "Rotten apples"?

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Quote from: theymos on August 12, 2012, 09:42:06 PM

I created the subforum. Someone else can move the posts.

1) at least they are out of Lending

2) "Long Term offers"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=88.0

is not the right words for the sub-forum. Here are some suggestions for naming that forum that you wont' have to move all the scams:

-- 1000%+ APY Investment offers
-- Extremely high yield investment plans (still would have to set an APY cut off)
-- Questionable Investment Plans (either mod or community voting could be applied)

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Quote from: gene on August 13, 2012, 10:53:59 AM

Quote from: imsaguy on August 13, 2012, 10:15:50 AM

I'd like to know what the 'scam subforum' is. Could you please clarify? If you're implying that all long term investment opportunities are scams, then you need to start a new thread about that.

In this very thread, the decision was made to create a subforum for the express purpose of housing several ponzi schemes. The subforum was given a misnomer; Ponzi schemes are not long term nor are they investments. You can call it whatever you want. I prefer clear and simple language.

No, the decision was made to move all long term investments to a subforum.

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Quote from: imsaguy on August 13, 2012, 10:15:50 AM

I'd like to know what the 'scam subforum' is. Could you please clarify? If you're implying that all long term investment opportunities are scams, then you need to start a new thread about that.

In this very thread, the decision was made to create a subforum for the express purpose of housing several ponzi schemes. The subforum was given a misnomer; Ponzi schemes are not long term nor are they investments. You can call it whatever you want. I prefer clear and simple language.

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Quote from: gene on August 13, 2012, 08:45:28 AM

What a surprise. The scam-artists want to get the expose as far away from their promotional material as possible.

Keep in mind that the scam subforum (I fail to see how a ponzi scheme qualifies as "long-term") remains under the legitimate heading "Lending."

Hey, wait in line. I will make sure to tell Mage that you want your own special sub-forum, Whiny-bitches.

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Quote from: gene on August 13, 2012, 08:45:28 AM

What a surprise. The scam-artists want to get the expose as far away from their promotional material as possible.

Keep in mind that the scam subforum (I fail to see how a ponzi scheme qualifies as "long-term") remains under the legitimate heading "Lending."

We were having an adult conversation in this thread without any name calling until you decided to post.

I'd like to know what the 'scam subforum' is. Could you please clarify? If you're implying that all long term investment opportunities are scams, then you need to start a new thread about that.

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What a surprise. The scam-artists want to get the expose as far away from their promotional material as possible.

Keep in mind that the scam subforum (I fail to see how a ponzi scheme qualifies as "long-term") remains under the legitimate heading "Lending."

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Quote from: Maged on August 12, 2012, 11:09:03 PM

Quote from: BadBear on August 12, 2012, 09:55:29 PM

Quote from: theymos on August 12, 2012, 09:42:06 PM

I created the subforum. Someone else can move the posts.

I saw that, and saw Maged wasn't on so I went ahead and got a good start. I did a lot at once so people will see where they go.

Thanks! I was watching the closing ceremony, so I was gone for awhile. From a quick glance, this looks good.

Quote from: BadBear on August 12, 2012, 09:55:29 PM

Wasn't sure what to do with Micon's thread so I just left it for now, but since it's about those long term offers it should probably be there as well.

That's a hard call. One of the things you need to consider when placing a thread is what its primary audience is. Although the topic itself doesn't fit there, it's very clear that its target audience is specifically that forum. That's what makes this a hard call. I can't decide either way on this.

Given today's changes it clearly no longer fits. meta would be a better place as it's actually discussing something related more to gambling/securities (although I note a securities PPT thread got moved to "long-term") At best, it could possibly move into "marketplace" as it discusses a wide range of activities (aside from the tedious and pointless rehashing of many other discussions).

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Quote from: BadBear on August 12, 2012, 09:55:29 PM

Quote from: theymos on August 12, 2012, 09:42:06 PM

I created the subforum. Someone else can move the posts.

I saw that, and saw Maged wasn't on so I went ahead and got a good start. I did a lot at once so people will see where they go.

Thanks! I was watching the closing ceremony, so I was gone for awhile. From a quick glance, this looks good.

Quote from: BadBear on August 12, 2012, 09:55:29 PM

Wasn't sure what to do with Micon's thread so I just left it for now, but since it's about those long term offers it should probably be there as well.

That's a hard call. One of the things you need to consider when placing a thread is what its primary audience is. Although the topic itself doesn't fit there, it's very clear that its target audience is specifically that forum. That's what makes this a hard call. I can't decide either way on this.

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Quote from: imsaguy on August 12, 2012, 09:59:09 PM

Quote from: BadBear on August 12, 2012, 09:55:29 PM

Quote from: theymos on August 12, 2012, 09:42:06 PM

I created the subforum. Someone else can move the posts.

I saw that, and saw Maged wasn't on so I went ahead and got a good start. I did a lot at once so people will see where they go.

Wasn't sure what to do with Micon's thread so I just left it for now, but since it's about those long term offers it should probably be there as well.

Please don't take me for being an ass, but shouldn't a thread started to debate whether a thread is actually lending or not be in Meta?

Not at all, if I didn't want opinions I wouldn't have asked. If it were talking about just one thread in particular or the forum itself I'd be inclined to agree, it's pretty off topic to lending. Seems to be more general discussion about all investment schemes that offer unusually high returns or are suspicious for other reasons, and I wouldn't want to stifle discussion of that, especially since the concerns seem reasonable enough.

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Quote from: imsaguy on August 12, 2012, 09:59:09 PM

Quote from: BadBear on August 12, 2012, 09:55:29 PM

Quote from: theymos on August 12, 2012, 09:42:06 PM

I created the subforum. Someone else can move the posts.

I saw that, and saw Maged wasn't on so I went ahead and got a good start. I did a lot at once so people will see where they go.

Wasn't sure what to do with Micon's thread so I just left it for now, but since it's about those long term offers it should probably be there as well.

Please don't take me for being an ass, but shouldn't a thread started to debate whether a thread is actually lending or not be in Meta?

Threads about lending go in lending, threads about the lending forum (and any other forum) go in meta. Wait, where do posts about what goes in meta go? (theymos? meta-meta forum?)

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Quote from: BadBear on August 12, 2012, 09:55:29 PM

Quote from: theymos on August 12, 2012, 09:42:06 PM

I created the subforum. Someone else can move the posts.

I saw that, and saw Maged wasn't on so I went ahead and got a good start. I did a lot at once so people will see where they go.

Wasn't sure what to do with Micon's thread so I just left it for now, but since it's about those long term offers it should probably be there as well.

Please don't take me for being an ass, but shouldn't a thread started to debate whether a thread is actually lending or not be in Meta?

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Quote from: theymos on August 12, 2012, 09:42:06 PM

I created the subforum. Someone else can move the posts.

I saw that, and saw Maged wasn't on so I went ahead and got a good start. I did a lot at once so people will see where they go.

Wasn't sure what to do with Micon's thread so I just left it for now, but since it's about those long term offers it should probably be there as well.

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I created the subforum. Someone else can move the posts.

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Quote from: theymos on August 11, 2012, 08:52:24 PM

I never liked the stickies. Using stickies for categorization seems like a misuse of the feature. How about "long-term offers" under "Lending" for this kind of stuff, and no restrictions on post content?

As always, theymos solves a whole set of problems with one simple solution. I support this.

Since we have a "Who Pays What?" sticky (which would be moved over), we should also have a sticky listing the major lenders. Thinking it over, the "How to Request a Loan." thread already does this and should remain in the main Lending section, while the lending threads themselves should be unstickied and moved over.

I am prepared to have this implemented immediately. That's why I posted this thread - getting the community's input was extremely valuable. Thanks to everyone who contributed.

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I It would be nice to see the Who Pays What thread stickied. John's list of defaults would be nice too. Perhaps another sticky thread profiling all of the main lenders. 3 is a good number.

Just my MHO.

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