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iCEBREAKER

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Quote from: turvarya on August 19, 2015, 05:39:11 AM

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 06:39:22 PM

You are just trying to deflect and spin his specific (and harsh) criticisms of XT, by using his other irrelevant positive opinions on larger blocks in general.

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Gavin: "XT?" Meni: "NACK"

iCEBREAKER: "lol rekt"

Are you serious? Context is everything. Have you ever written a scientifically paper? I have. Angry

Quoting out of context is one of the worst things you can do. Cry

So we can't take E=MC^2 out of the context of Einstein's scientific paper? Why not?

What happens if we do? I mean, besides you getting butthurt and scolding us. Cheesy

Your scientific paper gets rejected. Angry

Also, it doesn't seem like you understand what "quoting out of context" means. Cry

Why would postings to internet forums need to meet the rigorous standards of scientific papers? Does Trolltalk's SMF even support LaTeX2ε?

Oh wait, you're just moving the goalposts out of the stadium, because you wish to rationalize your attempt to deflect and spin Meni's harsh criticism of your beloved Panopticon. Grin

Whine and dismiss all you like. Nothing in the surrounding text mitigates the self-evident meaning of the conceptually independent passage

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Bitcoin-XT represents a somewhat reckless approach, which in the name of advancement shatters existing structures, fragments the community, and spins the ecosystem into chaos.

turvarya

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 19, 2015, 05:20:53 AM

Quote from: turvarya on August 19, 2015, 05:03:59 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 06:39:22 PM

You are just trying to deflect and spin his specific (and harsh) criticisms of XT, by using his other irrelevant positive opinions on larger blocks in general.

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Gavin: "XT?" Meni: "NACK"

iCEBREAKER: "lol rekt"

Are you serious? Context is everything. Have you ever written a scientifically paper? I have. Angry

Quoting out of context is one of the worst things you can do. Cry

So we can't take E=MC^2 out of the context of Einstein's scientific paper? Why not?

What happens if we do? I mean, besides you getting butthurt and scolding us. Cheesy

Your scientific paper gets rejected.
Also, it doesn't seem like you understand what "quoting out of context" means.

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: turvarya on August 19, 2015, 05:03:59 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 06:39:22 PM

You are just trying to deflect and spin his specific (and harsh) criticisms of XT, by using his other irrelevant positive opinions on larger blocks in general.

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Gavin: "XT?" Meni: "NACK"

iCEBREAKER: "lol rekt"

Are you serious? Context is everything. Have you ever written a scientifically paper? I have. Angry

Quoting out of context is one of the worst things you can do. Cry

So we can't take E=MC^2 out of the context of Einstein's scientific paper? Why not?

What happens if we do? I mean, besides you getting butthurt and scolding us. Cheesy

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 06:39:22 PM

Quote from: turvarya on August 18, 2015, 06:19:10 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 05:28:55 PM

Quote from: meono on August 18, 2015, 11:59:06 AM

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Bitcoin-XT represents a somewhat reckless approach, which in the name of advancement shatters existing structures, fragments the community, and spins the ecosystem into chaos.

Excellent way to show the world the IQ sample of bitcoin XT bashers.

Thanks for proving my point.

Yes, Meni R is likely to have a very high IQ. The Weizmann Institute of Science doesn't just give you an M.Sc. in mathematics because they like the cut of your jib.

The reward for making a quote completly out of context goes to iCEBREAKER

The quote was not out of context. The surrounding text doesn't change the plain meaning of the sentence

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Bitcoin-XT represents a somewhat reckless approach, which in the name of advancement shatters existing structures, fragments the community, and spins the ecosystem into chaos.

Meni doesn't say "slash sarcasm" or "just kidding" in the next paragraph. He doesn't clarify that by "reckless" he actually meant "admirable." He doesn't explain that he really meant "shatters/fragments/chaos" in a *GOOD* way.

You are just trying to deflect and spin his specific (and harsh) criticisms of XT, by using his other irrelevant positive opinions on larger blocks in general.

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Gavin: "XT?" Meni: "NACK"

iCEBREAKER: "lol rekt"

Are you serious? Context is everything. Have you ever written a scientifically paper? I have. Quoting out of context is one of the worst things you can do.
He criticizes XT and Core, Gavin and theymos, but he says, he might switch to XT.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 07:38:02 PM

Quote from: meono on August 18, 2015, 07:13:56 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 05:28:55 PM

Quote from: meono on August 18, 2015, 11:59:06 AM

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Bitcoin-XT represents a somewhat reckless approach, which in the name of advancement shatters existing structures, fragments the community, and spins the ecosystem into chaos.

Excellent way to show the world the IQ sample of bitcoin XT bashers.

Thanks for proving my point.

Yes, Meni R is likely to have a very high IQ. The Weizmann Institute of Science doesn't just give you an M.Sc. in mathematics because they like the cut of your jib.

How low can you go? thats not what i was replying to.

So you agree Meni is likely to have a very high IQ, and Bitcoin-XT is reckless chaos?

No i dont agree to anything, you're just acting like a piece of shit and even take craps out of context.

Are you so mad right now ? Grin

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: meono on August 18, 2015, 07:13:56 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 05:28:55 PM

Quote from: meono on August 18, 2015, 11:59:06 AM

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Bitcoin-XT represents a somewhat reckless approach, which in the name of advancement shatters existing structures, fragments the community, and spins the ecosystem into chaos.

Excellent way to show the world the IQ sample of bitcoin XT bashers.

Thanks for proving my point.

Yes, Meni R is likely to have a very high IQ. The Weizmann Institute of Science doesn't just give you an M.Sc. in mathematics because they like the cut of your jib.

How low can you go? thats not what i was replying to.

So you agree Meni is likely to have a very high IQ, and Bitcoin-XT is reckless chaos?

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 05:28:55 PM

Quote from: meono on August 18, 2015, 11:59:06 AM

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Bitcoin-XT represents a somewhat reckless approach, which in the name of advancement shatters existing structures, fragments the community, and spins the ecosystem into chaos.

Excellent way to show the world the IQ sample of bitcoin XT bashers.

Thanks for proving my point.

Yes, Meni R is likely to have a very high IQ. The Weizmann Institute of Science doesn't just give you an M.Sc. in mathematics because they like the cut of your jib.

How low can you go? thats not what i was replying to.

Roll Eyes

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: turvarya on August 18, 2015, 06:19:10 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 05:28:55 PM

Quote from: meono on August 18, 2015, 11:59:06 AM

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Bitcoin-XT represents a somewhat reckless approach, which in the name of advancement shatters existing structures, fragments the community, and spins the ecosystem into chaos.

Excellent way to show the world the IQ sample of bitcoin XT bashers.

Thanks for proving my point.

Yes, Meni R is likely to have a very high IQ. The Weizmann Institute of Science doesn't just give you an M.Sc. in mathematics because they like the cut of your jib.

The reward for making a quote completly out of context goes to iCEBREAKER

The quote was not out of context. The surrounding text doesn't change the plain meaning of the sentence

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Bitcoin-XT represents a somewhat reckless approach, which in the name of advancement shatters existing structures, fragments the community, and spins the ecosystem into chaos.

Meni doesn't say "slash sarcasm" or "just kidding" in the next paragraph. He doesn't clarify that by "reckless" he actually meant "admirable." He doesn't explain that he really meant "shatters/fragments/chaos" in a *GOOD* way.

You are just trying to deflect and spin his specific (and harsh) criticisms of XT, by using his other irrelevant positive opinions on larger blocks in general.

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Gavin: "XT?" Meni: "NACK"

iCEBREAKER: "lol rekt"

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 05:28:55 PM

Quote from: meono on August 18, 2015, 11:59:06 AM

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Bitcoin-XT represents a somewhat reckless approach, which in the name of advancement shatters existing structures, fragments the community, and spins the ecosystem into chaos.

Excellent way to show the world the IQ sample of bitcoin XT bashers.

Thanks for proving my point.

Yes, Meni R is likely to have a very high IQ. The Weizmann Institute of Science doesn't just give you an M.Sc. in mathematics because they like the cut of your jib.

The reward for making a quote completly out of context goes to iCEBREAKER

Here some parts of the reddit post:

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To me, Bitcoin-XT represents a somewhat reckless approach, which in the name of advancement shatters existing structures, fragments the community, and spins the ecosystem into chaos. Whereas Bitcoin Core represents a frigid approach, where no technology improvement will ever be made because consensus can't be reached,

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Given the choice between short-term sticking with 1MB or going all the way to 8MB, I am in favor of going to 8MB.
Given the choice between sticking with Bitcoin Core or switching to Bitcoin-XT, I am in slight favor of sticking with Bitcoin Core, but that could change any time.

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All that said, the parent post explaining theymos' policy makes no sense to me. As explained above, the possibility of forking is an integral part of Bitcoin.

I recommend reading the whole thing. Meni Rosenfeld seems like a smart guy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h9cq4/its_time_for_a_break_about_the_recent_mess/cu6udfe

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 05:28:55 PM

Quote from: meono on August 18, 2015, 11:59:06 AM

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Bitcoin-XT represents a somewhat reckless approach, which in the name of advancement shatters existing structures, fragments the community, and spins the

Excellent way to show the world the IQ sample of bitcoin XT bashers.

Thanks for proving my point.

Yes, Meni R is likely to have a very high IQ. The Weizmann Institute of Science doesn't just give you an M.Sc. in mathematics because they like the cut of your jib.

Just ignore. He's posting the same crap comment over and over for two days now...

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: meono on August 18, 2015, 11:59:06 AM

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Bitcoin-XT represents a somewhat reckless approach, which in the name of advancement shatters existing structures, fragments the community, and spins the ecosystem into chaos.

Excellent way to show the world the IQ sample of bitcoin XT bashers.

Thanks for proving my point.

Yes, Meni R is likely to have a very high IQ. The Weizmann Institute of Science doesn't just give you an M.Sc. in mathematics because they like the cut of your jib.

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Quote from: Slark on August 18, 2015, 01:17:42 PM

Quote from: Lauda on August 18, 2015, 12:02:31 PM

Well this is just a theory, but there is nothing wrong with discussing it (I will not comment it though).

The block size debate is about taking over control. It's about either putting the trust into the hands of the Core developers or Gavin and Hearn. The question is who do you trust?

I really wish Satoshi is back now. I think his opinion would end this discussion about XT vs Core once and for all.
I liked Satoshi's deistic approach before, but in times of crisis and when you need to chose democracy is not that good.
And the only thing I trust is Bitcoin Price - and this bullshit debate is taking its toll on it.

Sometimes a benevolent dictator system works better than consensus. Linus Torvalds has the final say on what goes into the Linux kernel and it's worked out OK. If anyone wants to try something different they start up a fork, and if it's any good he eventually includes their work in the main Linux kernel. Satoshi would do a good job as a benevolent dictator and sort out this XT mess fast,

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Well, no-one seems to mention about the hardcoded Tor exit nodes in the XT source much, but it's hardly a backdoor; the code couldn't be any more overt, Mike wrote notes explicitly describing it, and that he intends to change it to a file based system, which I still don't think is sensible (and has yet to be committed to the XT source repo). To be continued IMO.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on August 18, 2015, 04:51:47 PM

I don't see where is the problem here to be honest , if youthink NSA = XT and the BitcoinXT is just another open-source software program like Bitcoin Core ..; sooner or later we will know if there is backdoors or whatever so this aint a problem .

It would take years for a well place backdoor to be detected, and may never be. If you are comfortable sacrificing years worth of records of your financial transactions, fine. Not everyone is. Even people who don't have a lot to hide.

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I don't see where is the problem here to be honest , if youthink NSA = XT and the BitcoinXT is just another open-source software program like Bitcoin Core ..; sooner or later we will know if there is backdoors or whatever so this aint a problem .

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What is raised my eyebrows is 'bctd' (presumably for 'bitcoin daemon' as the string bitcoind was taken by Satoshi.) This should not be confused with 'bitcoin dark' which is easy to do.

Anyway, 'btcd' is implemented in the programming language 'go' who's development was significantly sponsored by Google. One of the things it touts is a clean and well documented implementation which is a widely admitted deficiency in the Satoshi-based C code.

What I find interesting it that it seems to be a well funded effort undertaken by necessarily talented developers, but they are relatively unknown it seems.

Another interesting thing is that it is highly promoted by certain 'old timers' or people who's positions have been puffed up over the last few years through media attention and accolades. justusranvier comes to mind.

I will be interested to see if it 'makes sense' to switch the reference implementation of XT over to a btcd codebase if/when the takeover by XT from a (none-)fork of the Satoshi codebase gets traction.

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Quote from: mikewirth on August 18, 2015, 11:56:05 AM

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I suspect there is a little sneaky bit of code slipped into the XT package that doesn't raise red flags.
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Until you can demonstrate any proficiency in creating or understanding programming, your "suspicions" carry about as much water as a bucket with no bottom.

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Quote from: mikewirth on August 18, 2015, 11:56:05 AM

Do you think the NSA had a little say via Gavin in preparing the new code being introduced as XT? Maybe this is their way of getting the core devs who can't be 'turned' out of the way. Mike has been in favor of 'blacklisting' - another tool popular with NSA. I suspect there is a little sneaky bit of code slipped into the XT package that doesn't raise red flags. Maybe that is what this blocksize thing is really about.

trollmaster

At this point I'm pretty sure this runs even deeper than the NSA. Aliens are trying to take over Bitcoin! Yes, that's right. Illegal immigrants. Taking over Bitcoin. Shifty fuckers, I always knew we couldn't trust them...

that could be true.

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Quote from: LiteCoinGuy on August 18, 2015, 01:19:12 PM

Quote from: mikewirth on August 18, 2015, 11:56:05 AM

Do you think the NSA had a little say via Gavin in preparing the new code being introduced as XT? Maybe this is their way of getting the core devs who can't be 'turned' out of the way. Mike has been in favor of 'blacklisting' - another tool popular with NSA. I suspect there is a little sneaky bit of code slipped into the XT package that doesn't raise red flags. Maybe that is what this blocksize thing is really about.

trollmaster

At this point I'm pretty sure this runs even deeper than the NSA. Aliens are trying to take over Bitcoin! Yes, that's right. Illegal immigrants. Taking over Bitcoin. Shifty fuckers, I always knew we couldn't trust them...

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