josh will always cheat
he would not stop to deceive the world of digital currency
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Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) - page 1040. (Read 3377945 times)
April 05, 2015, 05:14:43 AM
April 05, 2015, 05:07:53 AM
It is clear by now that math isnt the strong point for Garza and co.
April 05, 2015, 12:18:05 AM
MrCEO (GAWCEO as he was know back then) stated this:
https://hashtalk.org/topic/18215
As usual, "let's do some actual math" and failed to provide any numbers. I was tracking profitability for some time, and many others were doing that, so there is no question that ZenPool was the best-paying Scrypt pool per MH/s for about two months until mid-October, but only if you subscribe to GAW's definition of a pool represented by PNGs on their website. There was no way for outside miners to connect the the pool.
As for total hashrate - that's a whole different discussion. There was no information on the amount of hashrate aside from ~250 GH/s early on in August, and no proof of Scrypt or SHA256 mining taking place.
https://hashtalk.org/topic/18215
Quote
I have been waiting for someone to do the math on this for weeks, and so far no one has done it.
This post is for all of those skeptics that keep challenging us on our claims that Zenpool is the most profitable pool.
Let's use some basic logic. When you say that “one company is more profitable than another,” what does that mean at this second, or over any time-frame? If Apple has a bad sales day, and our sales are better than theirs on that single day, are we now a more profitable company?
By definition, “most profitable” should mean over a period of time. What is that period of time?
Since they launched!
Let's do some actual math and settle this. If you’re up to the challenge, add up how much money Zenpool has paid out since it launched. Then do the same thing with any other pool over the same time-frame.
Zenpool is the world’s most profitable pool.
This post is for all of those skeptics that keep challenging us on our claims that Zenpool is the most profitable pool.
Let's use some basic logic. When you say that “one company is more profitable than another,” what does that mean at this second, or over any time-frame? If Apple has a bad sales day, and our sales are better than theirs on that single day, are we now a more profitable company?
By definition, “most profitable” should mean over a period of time. What is that period of time?
Since they launched!
Let's do some actual math and settle this. If you’re up to the challenge, add up how much money Zenpool has paid out since it launched. Then do the same thing with any other pool over the same time-frame.
Zenpool is the world’s most profitable pool.
As usual, "let's do some actual math" and failed to provide any numbers. I was tracking profitability for some time, and many others were doing that, so there is no question that ZenPool was the best-paying Scrypt pool per MH/s for about two months until mid-October, but only if you subscribe to GAW's definition of a pool represented by PNGs on their website. There was no way for outside miners to connect the the pool.
As for total hashrate - that's a whole different discussion. There was no information on the amount of hashrate aside from ~250 GH/s early on in August, and no proof of Scrypt or SHA256 mining taking place.
Thanks, that's what I needed... a very long thread, but a lot of interesting information in it.
Short Version:
- A person comparing hashpool as if it were zenpool think it's great (hashpool pays great? or his it hashpoints that had no declared value at that time?)
- The first month paid well, then it went seriously down hill from there.
- At the time of the posting (circa Nov 2014) zenpool wasn't netting squat (like a satashi/day), but Garza wants to go off gross returns (even thought 80%+ is returned to garza in fees)
Garza and other claim that average over ALL TIMES is important to new investors going forward (even through new investors will pay for hashlets and take years (centuries?) to even ROI on initial costs.) - Best post in the thread from a hashtalker "Math is hard" -- sums up the whole operation :-)
April 04, 2015, 11:52:19 PM
So basically how I got into all of this is I would sell social media followers and shit, and someone reached out to me about my services. He wanted a bunch of followers for Josh 
. At the time I had no idea what GAW was etc. but Josh ended up paying me $30 per 1000 followers (I resell and buy for about $2 per 1000), and then convinced my friend who was a sort of middle man convinced me to put that money back into GAW 
(I bought 5 Primes and 10 Zens). I think its kind of ironic I overcharged Josh(What I usually did reselling but no one had ever paid close to $30 per 1000) and then he ended up basically screwing me on my investment back into his company. At the time I was thinking "what kind of CEO buys twitter followers", but I didn't care because I was getting paid. When my friend convinced me to purchase some cloud mining power I saw all the $20 promises and was like "I'll make back my investment and more". Guess I should have been smarter with my money 
Some proof: (Couldn't find all the screenshots)
http://imgur.com/xOD105d,nWDBeWk,VYJPLCM,eHhtFNW#3
Also this: (wasn't my service that dropped followers)
https://hashtalk.org/topic/18708/josh-loses-4-000-twitter-followers-today
. At the time I had no idea what GAW was etc. but Josh ended up paying me $30 per 1000 followers (I resell and buy for about $2 per 1000), and then convinced my friend who was a sort of middle man convinced me to put that money back into GAW (I bought 5 Primes and 10 Zens). I think its kind of ironic I overcharged Josh(What I usually did reselling but no one had ever paid close to $30 per 1000) and then he ended up basically screwing me on my investment back into his company. At the time I was thinking "what kind of CEO buys twitter followers", but I didn't care because I was getting paid. When my friend convinced me to purchase some cloud mining power I saw all the $20 promises and was like "I'll make back my investment and more". Guess I should have been smarter with my money Some proof: (Couldn't find all the screenshots)
http://imgur.com/xOD105d,nWDBeWk,VYJPLCM,eHhtFNW#3
Also this: (wasn't my service that dropped followers)
https://hashtalk.org/topic/18708/josh-loses-4-000-twitter-followers-today
I remember the first day he got a twitter acct it mysteriously gained a crapload of followers. Most had Asian faces and language on their twitter accounts. Was that you? Glad to see you here.
He really told you to stop adding throughout the day and do it all at once at 3am? That's premeditated retarded fraud.
April 04, 2015, 10:42:54 PM
yep love this thread very entertaining and learning a lot about con
@vancefox not forget you , nice work deserves some tip
Interesting coins also to review: Hyperstake (HYP) and Bottlecaps(CAP)/Habonickels(HBN) last two same dev.
But then other algorithms, too
@vancefox not forget you , nice work deserves some tip
Interesting coins also to review: Hyperstake (HYP) and Bottlecaps(CAP)/Habonickels(HBN) last two same dev.
But then other algorithms, too
Yeah I'm a huge Hyperstake fan, these are some of my favorite alts right there.
Mine, too
Love Bottlecaps (CAP) 200% PoS
Like the Idea collecting crypto bottlecaps very much. Tranz good dev
LoL i hear mineral exchange can let stake PayCoin 90 days for 5%.
90 days , lol long time in crypto.
Tranz is a good guy, and from what I can see a good dev
. 
April 04, 2015, 10:07:53 PM
This guy wins Hashtalk for the day:
https://hashtalk.org/topic/35703/where-do-you-will-safe-your-paycoins-xpy-now-that-paybase-close-poll-vote/20
Archive: https://archive.today/VQ5QQ
https://hashtalk.org/topic/35703/where-do-you-will-safe-your-paycoins-xpy-now-that-paybase-close-poll-vote/20
Archive: https://archive.today/VQ5QQ
And SOLD to the highest bidder!!
NEXT!!!
April 04, 2015, 10:05:34 PM
I guess PaycoinPoker realized Paycoin ain't worth shit:
https://hashtalk.org/topic/35697/paycoinpoker-now-values-chips-in-btc-bad-move/2
https://hashtalk.org/topic/35697/paycoinpoker-now-values-chips-in-btc-bad-move/2
April 04, 2015, 09:46:11 PM
This guy wins Hashtalk for the day:
https://hashtalk.org/topic/35703/where-do-you-will-safe-your-paycoins-xpy-now-that-paybase-close-poll-vote/20
Archive: https://archive.today/VQ5QQ
https://hashtalk.org/topic/35703/where-do-you-will-safe-your-paycoins-xpy-now-that-paybase-close-poll-vote/20
Archive: https://archive.today/VQ5QQ
April 04, 2015, 09:38:16 PM
Serious question... srly SERIOUS.
Garza and company have repeatedly made the statement: That Zenpool is “The Worlds Most Profitable Pool." I have example of these statements from around Sept - Nov 2014.
QUESTION:
-- Has there ever been any stats of solid information released to back up this claim?
-- Is there any estimated any where showing the "profitability" of Zenpool at that time (or even just it's total hashing rate).
-- Was there any larger mining pools (for BTC or Hashcoins(?) or Paycoins) operating at the same time?
Doing some research... and 1400 pages is a lot to wade through :-(
Thanks
Garza and company have repeatedly made the statement: That Zenpool is “The Worlds Most Profitable Pool." I have example of these statements from around Sept - Nov 2014.
QUESTION:
-- Has there ever been any stats of solid information released to back up this claim?
-- Is there any estimated any where showing the "profitability" of Zenpool at that time (or even just it's total hashing rate).
-- Was there any larger mining pools (for BTC or Hashcoins(?) or Paycoins) operating at the same time?
Doing some research... and 1400 pages is a lot to wade through :-(
Thanks
MrCEO (GAWCEO as he was know back then) stated this:
https://hashtalk.org/topic/18215
Quote
I have been waiting for someone to do the math on this for weeks, and so far no one has done it.
This post is for all of those skeptics that keep challenging us on our claims that Zenpool is the most profitable pool.
Let's use some basic logic. When you say that “one company is more profitable than another,” what does that mean at this second, or over any time-frame? If Apple has a bad sales day, and our sales are better than theirs on that single day, are we now a more profitable company?
By definition, “most profitable” should mean over a period of time. What is that period of time?
Since they launched!
Let's do some actual math and settle this. If you’re up to the challenge, add up how much money Zenpool has paid out since it launched. Then do the same thing with any other pool over the same time-frame.
Zenpool is the world’s most profitable pool.
This post is for all of those skeptics that keep challenging us on our claims that Zenpool is the most profitable pool.
Let's use some basic logic. When you say that “one company is more profitable than another,” what does that mean at this second, or over any time-frame? If Apple has a bad sales day, and our sales are better than theirs on that single day, are we now a more profitable company?
By definition, “most profitable” should mean over a period of time. What is that period of time?
Since they launched!
Let's do some actual math and settle this. If you’re up to the challenge, add up how much money Zenpool has paid out since it launched. Then do the same thing with any other pool over the same time-frame.
Zenpool is the world’s most profitable pool.
As usual, "let's do some actual math" and failed to provide any numbers. I was tracking profitability for some time, and many others were doing that, so there is no question that ZenPool was the best-paying Scrypt pool per MH/s for about two months until mid-October, but only if you subscribe to GAW's definition of a pool represented by PNGs on their website. There was no way for outside miners to connect the the pool.
As for total hashrate - that's a whole different discussion. There was no information on the amount of hashrate aside from ~250 GH/s early on in August, and no proof of Scrypt or SHA256 mining taking place.
It was a ponzi. Plain and simple. They paid out from the receipts of sales to noobs and existing customers buying more. It was easy as fuck to get money in but come time to pay out their script rarely worked. The famous 'Payouts in Progress' would linger for hours or days if the payout was large.
At the end they were clawing back payouts as mining/hosting fees. He was running short of BTC for payouts.
Piece of shit ponzi scheme. Nothing more. If it was so fucking profitable he would still be up and running. Instead he just runs from one scam to the next.
Fuck everything GAW,
April 04, 2015, 09:31:32 PM
Serious question... srly SERIOUS.
Garza and company have repeatedly made the statement: That Zenpool is “The Worlds Most Profitable Pool." I have example of these statements from around Sept - Nov 2014.
QUESTION:
-- Has there ever been any stats of solid information released to back up this claim?
-- Is there any estimated any where showing the "profitability" of Zenpool at that time (or even just it's total hashing rate).
-- Was there any larger mining pools (for BTC or Hashcoins(?) or Paycoins) operating at the same time?
Doing some research... and 1400 pages is a lot to wade through :-(
Thanks
Garza and company have repeatedly made the statement: That Zenpool is “The Worlds Most Profitable Pool." I have example of these statements from around Sept - Nov 2014.
QUESTION:
-- Has there ever been any stats of solid information released to back up this claim?
-- Is there any estimated any where showing the "profitability" of Zenpool at that time (or even just it's total hashing rate).
-- Was there any larger mining pools (for BTC or Hashcoins(?) or Paycoins) operating at the same time?
Doing some research... and 1400 pages is a lot to wade through :-(
Thanks
MrCEO (GAWCEO as he was know back then) stated this:
https://hashtalk.org/topic/18215
Quote
I have been waiting for someone to do the math on this for weeks, and so far no one has done it.
This post is for all of those skeptics that keep challenging us on our claims that Zenpool is the most profitable pool.
Let's use some basic logic. When you say that “one company is more profitable than another,” what does that mean at this second, or over any time-frame? If Apple has a bad sales day, and our sales are better than theirs on that single day, are we now a more profitable company?
By definition, “most profitable” should mean over a period of time. What is that period of time?
Since they launched!
Let's do some actual math and settle this. If you’re up to the challenge, add up how much money Zenpool has paid out since it launched. Then do the same thing with any other pool over the same time-frame.
Zenpool is the world’s most profitable pool.
This post is for all of those skeptics that keep challenging us on our claims that Zenpool is the most profitable pool.
Let's use some basic logic. When you say that “one company is more profitable than another,” what does that mean at this second, or over any time-frame? If Apple has a bad sales day, and our sales are better than theirs on that single day, are we now a more profitable company?
By definition, “most profitable” should mean over a period of time. What is that period of time?
Since they launched!
Let's do some actual math and settle this. If you’re up to the challenge, add up how much money Zenpool has paid out since it launched. Then do the same thing with any other pool over the same time-frame.
Zenpool is the world’s most profitable pool.
As usual, "let's do some actual math" and failed to provide any numbers. I was tracking profitability for some time, and many others were doing that, so there is no question that ZenPool was the best-paying Scrypt pool per MH/s for about two months until mid-October, but only if you subscribe to GAW's definition of a pool represented by PNGs on their website. There was no way for outside miners to connect the the pool.
As for total hashrate - that's a whole different discussion. There was no information on the amount of hashrate aside from ~250 GH/s early on in August, and no proof of Scrypt or SHA256 mining taking place.
April 04, 2015, 09:25:44 PM
Serious question... srly SERIOUS.
Garza and company have repeatedly made the statement: That Zenpool is “The Worlds Most Profitable Pool." I have example of these statements from around Sept - Nov 2014.
QUESTION:
-- Has there ever been any stats of solid information released to back up this claim?
-- Is there any estimated any where showing the "profitability" of Zenpool at that time (or even just it's total hashing rate).
-- Was there any larger mining pools (for BTC or Hashcoins(?) or Paycoins) operating at the same time?
Doing some research... and 1400 pages is a lot to wade through :-(
Thanks
Garza and company have repeatedly made the statement: That Zenpool is “The Worlds Most Profitable Pool." I have example of these statements from around Sept - Nov 2014.
QUESTION:
-- Has there ever been any stats of solid information released to back up this claim?
-- Is there any estimated any where showing the "profitability" of Zenpool at that time (or even just it's total hashing rate).
-- Was there any larger mining pools (for BTC or Hashcoins(?) or Paycoins) operating at the same time?
Doing some research... and 1400 pages is a lot to wade through :-(
Thanks
1400+ pages summarized: He speaks lies about everything he does to separate people from their money. That is all you need to know.
April 04, 2015, 09:23:13 PM
Serious question... srly SERIOUS.
Garza and company have repeatedly made the statement: That Zenpool is “The Worlds Most Profitable Pool." I have example of these statements from around Sept - Nov 2014.
QUESTION:
-- Has there ever been any stats of solid information released to back up this claim?
-- Is there any estimated any where showing the "profitability" of Zenpool at that time (or even just it's total hashing rate).
-- Was there any larger mining pools (for BTC or Hashcoins(?) or Paycoins) operating at the same time?
Doing some research... and 1400 pages is a lot to wade through :-(
Thanks
Garza and company have repeatedly made the statement: That Zenpool is “The Worlds Most Profitable Pool." I have example of these statements from around Sept - Nov 2014.
QUESTION:
-- Has there ever been any stats of solid information released to back up this claim?
-- Is there any estimated any where showing the "profitability" of Zenpool at that time (or even just it's total hashing rate).
-- Was there any larger mining pools (for BTC or Hashcoins(?) or Paycoins) operating at the same time?
Doing some research... and 1400 pages is a lot to wade through :-(
Thanks
April 04, 2015, 09:05:33 PM
lol you can get a WP setup on fiverr for 5.00 and if you're nice to the guy he'll toss in some extras lol Paycoin is the worlds fair of scams.
April 04, 2015, 09:03:17 PM
I think there are two camps left in this coin, maybe three. That web designer is the first.
1. Making BTC off the scam. (All the wannabe merchants that charge crazy prices for junk)
2. Scamming to make a BTC. (Josh and whoever else is pulling the strings)
3. Hashtards, fully invested and no clue.
**Me, scammed and now I'm on the sidelines poking fun.
1. Making BTC off the scam. (All the wannabe merchants that charge crazy prices for junk)
2. Scamming to make a BTC. (Josh and whoever else is pulling the strings)
3. Hashtards, fully invested and no clue.
**Me, scammed and now I'm on the sidelines poking fun.
April 04, 2015, 08:59:33 PM
yep love this thread very entertaining and learning a lot about con
@vancefox not forget you , nice work deserves some tip
Interesting coins also to review: Hyperstake (HYP) and Bottlecaps(CAP)/Habonickels(HBN) last two same dev.
But then other algorithms, too
@vancefox not forget you , nice work deserves some tip
Interesting coins also to review: Hyperstake (HYP) and Bottlecaps(CAP)/Habonickels(HBN) last two same dev.
But then other algorithms, too
Yeah I'm a huge Hyperstake fan, these are some of my favorite alts right there.
Mine, too
Love Bottlecaps (CAP) 200% PoS
Like the Idea collecting crypto bottlecaps very much. Tranz good dev
LoL i hear mineral exchange can let stake PayCoin 90 days for 5%.
90 days , lol long time in crypto.
Two words. Optimus Primes
April 04, 2015, 08:57:23 PM
Some lighter fare from the nuthouse:
$50 to do an hour or two worth of tech work. Seems reasonable to me, even cheap. And, it is $25 if you want to pay in Paycoins! Wooh hoo! Right?
Not on Hashtalk.
Sleak, the child member of Team Paycoin attacks this guy for offering to accept XPY. WTF? Seriously? He is part of the team promoting Paycoin? This whole operation is just a bunch of scumbag scammers, idiots, assholes and a few hapless victims.
Go Team Paycoin!
https://hashtalk.org/topic/35722/xpy-at-1-today-spend-your-xpy-at-1-today-buy-nice-web-design-service-p/10
Archive: https://archive.today/HgbeZ
$50 to do an hour or two worth of tech work. Seems reasonable to me, even cheap. And, it is $25 if you want to pay in Paycoins! Wooh hoo! Right?
Not on Hashtalk.
Sleak, the child member of Team Paycoin attacks this guy for offering to accept XPY. WTF? Seriously? He is part of the team promoting Paycoin? This whole operation is just a bunch of scumbag scammers, idiots, assholes and a few hapless victims.
Go Team Paycoin!
https://hashtalk.org/topic/35722/xpy-at-1-today-spend-your-xpy-at-1-today-buy-nice-web-design-service-p/10
Archive: https://archive.today/HgbeZ
April 04, 2015, 08:44:07 PM
https://i.imgur.com/junmQOi.jpg
https://hashtalk.org/topic/35633/i-saw-this-and-thought-of-coinfire/87
Archive: https://archive.today/BLSQr
I have received a few death threats from these delusional morons as well, but nothing I consider serious, like what Mike is describing here.
https://hashtalk.org/topic/35633/i-saw-this-and-thought-of-coinfire/87
Archive: https://archive.today/BLSQr
I have received a few death threats from these delusional morons as well, but nothing I consider serious, like what Mike is describing here.
What are they ISIS now going after journalists? Can this scum bag Garza sink any lower.
April 04, 2015, 08:08:47 PM
Jesus Christ. Dead animals in the mail? That's one step away from a treasured racehorse's severed head under the sheets.
And how would anyone know the places CoinFire frequents? Did someone hire a PI to follow him? Spend actual money on silly threats?
And what if the threats worked? That wouldn't change the reality behind the reports. That's the big thing I don't understand. What could these threats possibly accomplish?
And how would anyone know the places CoinFire frequents? Did someone hire a PI to follow him? Spend actual money on silly threats?
And what if the threats worked? That wouldn't change the reality behind the reports. That's the big thing I don't understand. What could these threats possibly accomplish?
If that is the case it has to be Josh or somebody at the top. The Hashtards can barely afford a pizza with what they have lost, so how could they afford to hire a P.I.
The Jonah Dorman post a few days ago mentioned being threatened and followed by suspicious cars. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/just-like-hashtalk-posts-poof-1007627 . Looks like Josh Garza is a more sinister specimen that we imagined.
April 04, 2015, 08:04:16 PM
That would be totally hilarious if Josh hired Mike Johnson for his PR director. I wonder what the announcements would look like then?
They would look like this:
Quote
I quit.
April 04, 2015, 08:02:42 PM
You know it's a great investment when the operators (and/or their shills) resort to sending dead animals through the mail!
It might be some of the criminals that Josh solicited seven figure investments from. Organized crime, FTW
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