It would also be nice to know why Garza is biting the hand that has fed him for so many years? Supposing they had a falling out it would still be in his best interest to rekindle the relationship to keep the money flowing like it has for 10 years. The 'Making a deal with the Devil' seems like a total charade. What would it hurt Garza to have a court ruled against him when he has nothing to pay back in a civil judgement? He just declares bankruptcy and moves on.
New Ion wallet released today on Google play. Wonder if it is really secure like they claim?
Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) - page 123. (Read 3377790 times)
December 12, 2016, 05:10:37 PM
December 12, 2016, 01:57:36 PM
December 12, 2016, 01:47:09 PM
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In 1995, Jeff Bezos began Amazon.com, of which suchmoon was an investor - doesn't mean that suchmoon was buddies with Bezos in 1995 and/or an early Amazon investor. Suchmoon could have bought some Amazon shares years later. Wording could be better but it's technically correct.
A good analogy in some ways, but....
Even though Garza THINKS he's as big as Amazon (and will be partners with XPY!!! SOON!!!) a one-boy operation would surely have had knowledge of & contact with a major start-up investor.
Did Garza actually "start" the company, or start working at it in 2002?
Keep at it, Cyber Sleuths!
You guys are MUCH better at math than Garbanzo. Keep adding up the clues!
December 12, 2016, 12:59:03 PM
Good questions, @truckinusa
The timeline of how they met is also contradictory.
In one reported scenario, they knew each other from Fraser's investment in the computer company from 2002:
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In 2002, Garza began Optima Computers in Brattleboro, which offered new computer systems for sale, as well as service and repair of existing computer systems, of which Fraser was an investor.
So Fraser was an investor in his company before they actually "met?" uh-huh....
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Garza and Fraser have had a business and personal relationship since approximately 2003, when Garza installed internet at Fraser’s house on Lake Dunmore.
SOMETHING DOES NOT ADD UP in this perverted FAIRY TALE......
https://vtdigger.org/2016/12/09/garza-accused-mastermind-bitcoin-fraud-scheme/
In 1995, Jeff Bezos began Amazon.com, of which suchmoon was an investor - doesn't mean that suchmoon was buddies with Bezos in 1995 and/or an early Amazon investor. Suchmoon could have bought some Amazon shares years later. Wording could be better but it's technically correct.
This is just an example. If I was given half a million dollars over 10 years there are so many things that I could do with that money to create a business that is legit and also would support my family. I believe you could at least have a pretty good start on a McDonald's franchise. I am not saying this is the best investment, but it is sure a whole lot better than optima computers or a bitcoin ponzi called GAW. Something just doesn't add up.
I still find if incredible that Fraser could have fallen for Garza's bullshit, but if I squint just right I guess I could imagine this being remotely possible:
1) Garza may have known a thing or two about computers back in 2003, at least a bit more than Fraser. Combined with some bullshit "business plan" he may have been able to convince Fraser to invest a small amount into his "business".
2) Perhaps the computer business wasn't a total flop, at least not before they pivoted to the ISP business. Not sure if that was Garza's idea or Fraser's, but they seem to have had a reasonably good run with it.
3) After two successful (according to Garza's definition of "successful", i.e. being able to lease a Ferrari) ventures Fraser may have been inclined to open his wallet a bit more when confronted with new buzzwords like "bitcoin".
However I'm still puzzled by Fraser's inability - IN 10+ YEARS - to figure out how full of shit Garza was. Most sane people and even many of his fervent supporters figured him out in a few weeks/months.
December 12, 2016, 08:40:45 AM
Has paycoin replaced Bitcoin yet?
Yes but I do not know when it is available and maybe it will become true in the year of 33300This shit coin was a perfect scam .
December 12, 2016, 08:13:21 AM
Good questions, @truckinusa
The timeline of how they met is also contradictory.
In one reported scenario, they knew each other from Fraser's investment in the computer company from 2002:
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In 2002, Garza began Optima Computers in Brattleboro, which offered new computer systems for sale, as well as service and repair of existing computer systems, of which Fraser was an investor.
So Fraser was an investor in his company before they actually "met?" uh-huh....
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Garza and Fraser have had a business and personal relationship since approximately 2003, when Garza installed internet at Fraser’s house on Lake Dunmore.
SOMETHING DOES NOT ADD UP in this perverted FAIRY TALE......
https://vtdigger.org/2016/12/09/garza-accused-mastermind-bitcoin-fraud-scheme/
This is just an example. If I was given half a million dollars over 10 years there are so many things that I could do with that money to create a business that is legit and also would support my family. I believe you could at least have a pretty good start on a McDonald's franchise. I am not saying this is the best investment, but it is sure a whole lot better than optima computers or a bitcoin ponzi called GAW. Something just doesn't add up.
December 11, 2016, 01:32:56 PM
Good questions, @truckinusa
The timeline of how they met is also contradictory.
In one reported scenario, they knew each other from Fraser's investment in the computer company from 2002:
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In 2002, Garza began Optima Computers in Brattleboro, which offered new computer systems for sale, as well as service and repair of existing computer systems, of which Fraser was an investor.
So Fraser was an investor in his company before they actually "met?" uh-huh....
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Garza and Fraser have had a business and personal relationship since approximately 2003, when Garza installed internet at Fraser’s house on Lake Dunmore.
SOMETHING DOES NOT ADD UP in this perverted FAIRY TALE......
https://vtdigger.org/2016/12/09/garza-accused-mastermind-bitcoin-fraud-scheme/
December 11, 2016, 06:27:50 AM
Not sure how I even unearthed this bit of crazy Lutnick/911 conspiracy theory bs, but I thought of you guys ofc! 
http://letsrollforums.com//showpost.php?p=263300&postcount=34
http://letsrollforums.com//showpost.php?p=263300&postcount=34
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It looks like Howard Lutnick filed a Descendant's Trust in 1999, which contained the names of two 9-11 victims, one of them Gary. The SEC report mentions a descendant's trust with his wife and "one other person", but the one on file with the NY Department of Finance includes Gary F Lutnick, Douglas B Gardner, both listed as 9-11 victims, and Stuart A Fraser.
It looks like Howard Lutnick filed a Descendant's Trust in 1999, which contained the names of two 9-11 victims, one of them Gary. The SEC report mentions a descendant's trust with his wife and "one other person", but the one on file with the NY Department of Finance includes Gary F Lutnick, Douglas B Gardner, both listed as 9-11 victims, and Stuart A Fraser.
I'm guessing you are saying Stuart and Gary are one in the same? I didn't know if you are aware, but Stuart is the grandson of Ira Cantor I believe.
I truly wish some insider could explain all these strange relationships. Why is such a dufus the VP of Cantor? Why is he cavorting with Homero, a gentile.
December 10, 2016, 07:09:54 PM
Not sure how I even unearthed this bit of crazy Lutnick/911 conspiracy theory bs, but I thought of you guys ofc!
http://letsrollforums.com//showpost.php?p=263300&postcount=34
http://letsrollforums.com//showpost.php?p=263300&postcount=34
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Originally Posted by praisethelord View Post
It looks like Howard Lutnick filed a Descendant's Trust in 1999, which contained the names of two 9-11 victims, one of them Gary. The SEC report mentions a descendant's trust with his wife and "one other person", but the one on file with the NY Department of Finance includes Gary F Lutnick, Douglas B Gardner, both listed as 9-11 victims, and Stuart A Fraser.
It looks like Howard Lutnick filed a Descendant's Trust in 1999, which contained the names of two 9-11 victims, one of them Gary. The SEC report mentions a descendant's trust with his wife and "one other person", but the one on file with the NY Department of Finance includes Gary F Lutnick, Douglas B Gardner, both listed as 9-11 victims, and Stuart A Fraser.
December 10, 2016, 02:48:19 PM
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In the Nov. 4 filing dismissing Garza from the civil suit, after attorneys engaged in “discussions with Homero Joshua Garza,” Fraser was described as “a mentor and business associate of Garza for over a decade.” The Garza dismissal filing does not reveal what was talked about in those discussions.
....or how much $$BTCBTC$$ exchanged hands!
December 10, 2016, 02:32:16 PM
from Wikipedia: "Svengali is a fictional character in George du Maurier's 1895 novel Trilby. Svengali is a stereotyped Jewish man who seduces, dominates and exploits Trilby , a young English girl, and makes her a famous singer."
Didn't he call himself the Hashlet King? lol
Didn't he call himself the Hashlet King? lol
His Twitter feed used to say, "They call me Hash King. Say Hi." <------------------
http://www.reformer.com/stories/making-a-deal-with-the-devil,491686
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A local man dismissed from a fraud civil suit is being described by the remaining defendant on the suit as the "mastermind" of a bitcoin Ponzi scheme.
December 10, 2016, 02:19:50 PM
https://vtdigger.org/2016/12/09/garza-accused-mastermind-bitcoin-fraud-scheme/
Oh, this is getting good!
More popcorn!!!
Oh, this is getting good!
More popcorn!!!
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While Plaintiffs have now granted Garza a free pass by eliminating him as a defendant, they cannot in good faith take new, inconsistent positions to erase Garza’s actions or now simply substitute Fraser for the very same actions and decisions that they previously claimed were Garza’s.”
December 10, 2016, 01:50:43 PM
December 10, 2016, 05:57:45 AM
from Wikipedia: "Svengali is a fictional character in George du Maurier's 1895 novel Trilby. Svengali is a stereotyped Jewish man who seduces, dominates and exploits Trilby , a young English girl, and makes her a famous singer."
Didn't he call himself the Hashlet King? lol
I believe Fraser's lawyers nailed this one on the head calling him a modern day Svengali, just maybe the smaller head lol.
Didn't he call himself the Hashlet King? lol
I believe Fraser's lawyers nailed this one on the head calling him a modern day Svengali, just maybe the smaller head lol.
December 10, 2016, 05:02:48 AM
When Garza met Fraser, Garza was in high school, and Fraser was a powerful investment banker
better love story than twilight
December 10, 2016, 04:03:42 AM
When Garza met Fraser, Garza was in high school, and Fraser was a powerful investment banker
December 08, 2016, 01:21:53 PM
"I never had any control!!! Homero made me wear this too!!!"
December 08, 2016, 07:58:50 AM
Thanks!
Hate to say it that lawyer is correct. Cut right through the smoke to where it is and what it is. Actually quite comical, all reads like a debate on here between two people nitpicking over semantics. he said she said I know you are but what am I bullshit. Could of saved a ton of money and hashed the whole thing out right here on this thread of bitcointalk.org.
Not sure how plaintiffs can respond to this, I see the asked for a reply by the 27th but the original previous request for an extension afforded the plaintiffs till January 27th 2017 to reply.
No clue anymore other than those two snippets of shit Homero coughed up about the book birthday present and Uncle Stu lamenting the birth of his kid, what use did that useless sack of shit provide them.
They need to try to wrap this up before the end of the year. Give the SEC a chance now, otherwise they're wasting our time with this back and forth nonsense, let the real lawyers and government gang take a swing. Pretty sure the IRS is sitting in the wings wanting to know where the taxes are on those 20 millions that disappeared.
Hate to say it that lawyer is correct. Cut right through the smoke to where it is and what it is. Actually quite comical, all reads like a debate on here between two people nitpicking over semantics. he said she said I know you are but what am I bullshit. Could of saved a ton of money and hashed the whole thing out right here on this thread of bitcointalk.org.
Not sure how plaintiffs can respond to this, I see the asked for a reply by the 27th but the original previous request for an extension afforded the plaintiffs till January 27th 2017 to reply.
No clue anymore other than those two snippets of shit Homero coughed up about the book birthday present and Uncle Stu lamenting the birth of his kid, what use did that useless sack of shit provide them.
They need to try to wrap this up before the end of the year. Give the SEC a chance now, otherwise they're wasting our time with this back and forth nonsense, let the real lawyers and government gang take a swing. Pretty sure the IRS is sitting in the wings wanting to know where the taxes are on those 20 millions that disappeared.
There are some good points in that doc but on the other hand Fraser bankrolled the whole operation... he could have stopped it at any time if he quit funding it - Homero was losing money every step of the way until he hit jackpot with the hashlet ponzi, which gave him a few months of reckless spending. The nitpicking about 41% is ludicrous, it's just a number Homero came up with to make himself feel like he owned something while he was charging everything to Elise's Amex.
Anyway, I have mixed feelings about this "devil" thing. Sure, Homero is an utter dipshit, but for a Wall Street big shot to fund a ponzi and pretend like it's no big deal because he
"only" had 41% is pure bullshit.
At least they're not friends anymore so let's hope Homero ends up appropriately poor and miserable and perhaps even has to (gasp) work for a living.
what funding though?
What were gaw's expenses? they didn't pay the electric bill, they didn't buy miners, they didn't pay for btc.com. how much does it cost to run a cloud mining ponzi? you need a website and a script to make up numbers.
Homero's cars and private jets?
For any rational ponzi scammer your statement would be true but we're not dealing with such a person here. From what I've seen in those e-mails it looked like he was running GAW's hardware business at a loss and used Fraser's "credit line" to prop it up. Even when he was presumably rolling in all the hashlet money he was still using Fraser's credit card. I'm quite certain that at any point Fraser could have said "I'm out" and the house of cards would have collapsed. Which is what likely happened in early 2015 when the SEC stepped in. Whether that constitutes "control" under security laws though - not sure.
December 08, 2016, 12:46:42 AM
You know that thought did cross my mind earlier today. What if he did settle with them like that under NDA. Could anyone ever know including the defendants? Does anyone have a right to know? Shit all he has to do is give each what 100,000, 200,000 cash + lawyers fees and be done and swing to their side in the off-chance of an Uncle Stu payday. How would anyone ever know?
We know. Big Brother knows.
SEC can follow the Blockchain better than Garza now.
If the Puppet Plaintiffs got paid out in COINS, SEC can trace them.
I would LOVE to see the GAWSuit Plaintiffs prosecuted for witness tampering and fraud....
I believe any funds beyond the meager salaries he paid his employees got spent on hookers and blow? Nothing else could explain the erratic behavior, vests, berets, etc.
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