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Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) - page 2123. (Read 3377790 times)

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As a thank you to all you lads on Hashtalk for getting me mining again I've had paycoin added to this poll :-

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/best-proof-of-stake-coins-voting-poll-786993

Fill you're boots.

CAP all the way.
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I guess Josh´s projections of $75 in a year (or was it 6 months)

still stand so it must be a screaming buy.
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I'm sure the stalkers here will keep me well informed beforehand.  Cheesy

i think you'll find that as soon as POW is over, you won't ever hear again from a lot of us.
I, for one am only here to scoff at the ridiculous prices your cultists are paying.

who was it said my betarigs prices were too high..?
just got rented.  Cool
legendary
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so i see the drama keeps on going with father gaw lol always good to come in here and read the empty promises on the days i feel blue and sad Tongue. In all honesty what is new on this forum any positive news or still same old empty promises going on with different day of the week  Huh

When was the last time you were here?

Paycoin is being mined now, making some serious money for miners, trading around $8-10 on exchanges. This ends Saturday.

Paybase Express, which is some kind of a browser plugin for shopping and paying with crypto, has been announced but does not work yet.

Paybase (the real deal) will go live Friday or Saturday, not quite clear what features will it have.

Hashpoints get converted to Paycoin and HashStakers go active Friday or Saturday.
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 There will be no new prime controllers or changing of hands for at least the next 6 months.


That's plenty of time for someone (*cough 'CEO'*) to buy a villa somewhere nice and tropical and move there for good. !


I'm not worried.  I'm sure the stalkers here will keep me well informed beforehand.  Cheesy

I'm actually glad that some people are doing the digging... but man... some of it is a little creepy.

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What I mean is that the price won't be determined by supply/demand, but instead by the set value of $20/coin. Sure the price can go up to $100/coin if the free market decides, but I don't see how that can happen with a currency that has an inflation rate of 400% per year.

Where are you getting an inflation rate of 400% per year?



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With bitcoin, the price may go down to $1/coin which would make many investors sad, but it wouldn't affect the intrinsic value.

I don't think this is the place to debate this, but I find this argument strange.  In order for something to have value, it must be compared to something.  A BTC may always be equal to a BTC, but if the buying power of BTC has changed, then the intrinsic value has changed.

If it used to cost me 0.005 BTC to buy a cup of coffee a week ago, but now it costs me 0.01 BTC to buy that same cup of coffee today... I'm going to be perplexed as to why this "currency" has any value.  It makes it impossible for anyone to make informed buying decisions with the instability of the exchange.



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Paycoin's intrinsic value is that it's stable/profitable. So when that's gone, all that's left is a bunch of halfassed features nobody really cares about.

Ok, so you don't think the features are worth anything.  Since they aren't available in BTC, they must be worthless?  Half-assed is debatable.


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125,000 is 1% of all available coins right?

125,000 of all available coins at full launch of POS, yes.  But not 6, 18, 24 months from now, no.  You will require a lot more than 125,000 6 months from now to stake your controller to meet that 1% obligation.


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And yes, you cannot spend the coins when staked, but why not after? What's preventing that investor from dumping his entire stash after 2 years? Or multiple investors dumping their stash after 6 months?

Nothing I guess if they wanted to.  I think the better question is why would they want to?  If they are true "market makers", it would be self-evident that it would be more valuable to sell the prime controller, including the staking coins, than to try your luck with a huge sell wall on an exchange.


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Exactly my question, who is going to buy these coins? (besides GAW who promised to spend $35m propping the price up at $20/coin)

If the coin gains traction, there can and will be purchasers.  If the coin can exhibit stable behavior, the crypto-markets will notice, and people will buy.  Why in the heck do the Chinese buy/sell/trade BTC?  Because it's an investment vehicle and a hedge against other currencies, and well... speculation.


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One last question: If you think 400% profit per year from staking is sustainable, why not 1000%? or 10,000%?

I'm assuming you are rounding up to come up with your 400%, because on the "high-end" rate of 0.01 XPY per day is only about 365% per year.  Smiley  But your point is taken.  The quoted range from GAW is from their models of what they expect to make from their prime controller(s).  I suspect it's plural.

And the rate will not stay the same in the next round of 6 months.  I suspect it will start to creep down every round of 6 months, and everyone here will start yelling ponzi at that time because they can't pay out the fabulous rates they had before... similar to the ZenPool debacle.


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Side note: thanks for trying to have a serious discussion. It's not often we can debate with GAW supporters without it immediately degrading to insults.

Appreciated, and ditto.

I'm fairly neutral about it, despite my obvious leanings towards GAW.  I just think there needs to be some balance to this thread, and as time goes on and we know more, we can debate the merits of the coin rather than GAW's part in it.  I know I'm not going to change anyone's attitudes here about GAW, they are too far gone in most poster's eyes here.
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so i see the drama keeps on going with father gaw lol always good to come in here and read the empty promises on the days i feel blue and sad Tongue. In all honesty what is new on this forum any positive news or still same old empty promises going on with different day of the week  Huh
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Alright, I was eating lunch and decided I just had to see for myself what the return rate of mining XPY really is. I directed an S1 and an S3 @ Multicoin pool and here is what I saw when I looked at the pool stats:



Looks like I will be raking in about 1,181 XPY by this time tomorrow! Either that or there is some reporting error.....Hmmm Roll Eyes

Whatever it turns out to be I will post my return for all to see. I have a funny feeling my yield is going to turn out to be maybe just a little less than this prediction... Cheesy

I'm averaging 1.5 xpy a day per s1. Just moved to suchpool.pw as http://paycoin.minerpools.com/ seems to go down a lot. Have been on the backup pool quite a bit with them.

There have been reports of suchpool not paying out however. Not tried it yet.

From rough calculations it looks like it's still more profitable to mine Garzas' folly direct.

Good to have some real miners running again..... Grin

Suchpool pays out fine it just takes a couple of hours to verify the blocks.

I can confirm I have been getting payments from suchpool.  I think the 1.5 XPY per S1 is a bit on the high side but I have used a couple of pools since I started late Sunday morning.  One still owes me a few XPY and I am sure that Garza is enjoying them now, another kept getting DDOS'd after paying out nicely.  But I have cashed out to a decent profit and I am thankful for that.

If by some chance after a few hours your have more than 5 paycoins please post Paul Revere.  I will move my 1 th/s to that pool.
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Look at the main page.  Behind the email sign up is a computer and you can clearly see amazon in the picture.

You're right. They also have Best Buy and Newegg on the main page but not in the FAQ.

you mean in that section which specifies BITCOIN?

oh yeah, so they do. how deceptive.  Roll Eyes

Well he did mention his legal team was his largest dept last week
I was thinking it was to go after FUDSTERS
I didn't know it was to defend his company Tongue
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 There will be no new prime controllers or changing of hands for at least the next 6 months.


That's plenty of time for someone (*cough 'CEO'*) to buy a villa somewhere nice and tropical and move there for good. !
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The difference is that BTC is a freely traded asset. Supply/demand have determined the value of Bitcoin. The CEO alone has determined the value of paycoin.

No, the CEO has determined the *initial* value of paycoin, and what he will value it via paybase.  What the markets do and what people want to buy/sell/trade at is their business, and it will stabilize at some point after the initial panic sells and the dust clears.

What makes you think that XPY won't be a freely traded asset, btw?

What I mean is that the price won't be determined by supply/demand, but instead by the set value of $20/coin. Sure the price can go up to $100/coin if the free market decides, but I don't see how that can happen with a currency that has an inflation rate of 400% per year.

With bitcoin, the price may go down to $1/coin which would make many investors sad, but it wouldn't affect the intrinsic value.

Paycoin's intrinsic value is that it's stable/profitable. So when that's gone, all that's left is a bunch of halfassed features nobody really cares about.

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Here's an example of what will happen:

Step 1: Investor spends $2.5m to acquire 125,000 paycoins to buy a prime node.

Step 2: After 2 years at 400% apr the investor now has 2,000,000 paycoins

Step 3: Investor thinks that turning $2.5m in to $40m is good enough. dumps $35m worth of paycoins. Scheme collapses.

The problem with this scheme is that the only real value is the promise of profit. Without the "guaranteed" price of $20/coin everything collapses.

There's a problem with your math.  You cannot get a prime controller without the ability to stake 1% of all available coins.  There will be no new prime controllers or changing of hands for at least the next 6 months.  Depending on how many coins shake out of the POS tree, the prime controller owner is going to have to restake a good chunk of their newly minted coins in order to keep the controller.  They can cash out some of the profit coins, but they can't ever call it quits.  They either have to sell the controller, or let it expire and then try to cash out coins, tanking their profits with a sell wall.

125,000 is 1% of all available coins right?

And yes, you cannot spend the coins when staked, but why not after? What's preventing that investor from dumping his entire stash after 2 years? Or multiple investors dumping their stash after 6 months?

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There have to be buyers for your 2 million coins in your scenario.  If it's all a scam and fraud... who is going to buy them?

Exactly my question, who is going to buy these coins? (besides GAW who promised to spend $35m propping the price up at $20/coin)

One last question: If you think 400% profit per year from staking is sustainable, why not 1000%? or 10,000%?

Side note: thanks for trying to have a serious discussion. It's not often we can debate with GAW supporters without it immediately degrading to insults.
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Interesting, that FAQ must have just been put up. Buy from Macy's receive from Walmart or vice versa. Is that true, they both retail the same items? Isn't the one a swank store the other for the down-trodden? So you buy a silk undergarment from Macy's and 100% polyester one arrives in a Walmart box with a big smiley card inside saying you saved 99 dollars?

What more interesting is how the savings have magically shifted from

- Since the merchant pays less to process your order, it will cost you less, and so we pass those savings back to you

To now using a shopbot to find the cheapest price possible for the same item. Of course the end user will never realize the true savings at all. They will pocket the difference and disburse a nominal sum to make everyone happy, when you could hit any shopbot yourself and buy direct.  Same way they were touting why would someone pay 20 dollars on the site for a single paycoin when you can go to an exchange and by it for 9 dollars. Oh well, see exchanges don't take credit cards, not everyone knows about exchanges. Just pay the MSRP of 20 dollars, don't worry yourself or exert yourself in order to save more than 50%. Leave that up to is wink wink nudge nudge.

Biggest conjob of 2014 unfolding as we speak. POS as in Piece of Shit.
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Look at the main page.  Behind the email sign up is a computer and you can clearly see amazon in the picture.

You're right. They also have Best Buy and Newegg on the main page but not in the FAQ.

you mean in that section which specifies BITCOIN?

oh yeah, so they do. how deceptive.  Roll Eyes
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Look at the main page.  Behind the email sign up is a computer and you can clearly see amazon in the picture.

You're right. They also have Best Buy and Newegg on the main page but not in the FAQ.
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Alright, I was eating lunch and decided I just had to see for myself what the return rate of mining XPY really is. I directed an S1 and an S3 @ Multicoin pool and here is what I saw when I looked at the pool stats:



Looks like I will be raking in about 1,181 XPY by this time tomorrow! Either that or there is some reporting error.....Hmmm Roll Eyes

Whatever it turns out to be I will post my return for all to see. I have a funny feeling my yield is going to turn out to be maybe just a little less than this prediction... Cheesy

I'm averaging 1.5 xpy a day per s1. Just moved to suchpool.pw as http://paycoin.minerpools.com/ seems to go down a lot. Have been on the backup pool quite a bit with them.

There have been reports of suchpool not paying out however. Not tried it yet.

From rough calculations it looks like it's still more profitable to mine Garzas' folly direct.

Good to have some real miners running again..... Grin

Suchpool pays out fine it just takes a couple of hours to verify the blocks.
legendary
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https://paybase.com/faq

Looks like they have invented a time machine, or just forgot to edit the screenshot - still shows February dates.

https://paybase.com/img/welcome-step-3.png

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PaySave currently supports Walmart, Macy's, and Target

(even though the screenshot shows something that looks very similar to Amazon's checkout page)

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We fulfill your order from the lowest cost vendor or retailer. This means that if you place an order using the PaySave button on Macy's, it may come in a box from Walmart, or vice versa

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Some manufacturers' warranties, such as Canon's, require that the item be purchased from an authorized reseller. In these cases, the warranty will not be valid if purchased through PaySave.

So we are shopping at Amazon, Walmart, Macy's, Target, but not really, and might even be getting products without warranty. Brilliant plan.

Look at the main page.  Behind the email sign up is a computer and you can clearly see amazon in the picture.
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And where do we return the product if there is a problem? About the warranty, this is what you get from places like B&N or even BJ's because they bought it from overseas without a US warranty. Again, what's the recourse if something goes wrong? This is fraught with danger.

You will deal with GAW's award-winning customer service. Walmart or Target customer service won't talk to you because NDA.
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Maybe this has already been posted but can someone give me the exchange for paycoin?
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