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Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) - page 2129. (Read 3377790 times)

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(1) It was (according to Josh) used to pay ICO investors and for Hashpoint conversion (though as others have noted, this does not explain 12 million coins)


Anyone got any maths to show that ICO investors payment and HP conversion is not equal to 12 million? I'm on the fence till I see some proof. You guys are too biased to take at face value.

Here you go:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg9833591;topicseen#msg9833591
It's not conclusive, jimmothy appears to be wrangling the data till it fits the outcome he wants. There hasn't been any unbiased analysis afaict, and I expect that's not even possible till GAW release figures. Until then, this is all conjecture.
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If this guy's calculations are correct (So the final PoW Block with have almost 170,000 XPY reward in it?), then the race for the final block is going to be, hmm, crazy?

https://hashtalk.org/topic/23822/so-the-final-pow-block-with-have-almost-170-000-xpy-reward-in-it



... but most probably they'll change the rules and won't let it happen ... or not ... who knows Wink

This was removed from Hashtalk extremely fast Wink

PayCoin whitepaper states: "The miner who mines the final block, will receive a proportional block reward that is derived over the existence of the Proof-Of-Work stage, in relation to difficulty of the mined block".

Do I get this right that all blocks should be mined until 1419094800 (Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:00:00 GMT)? And 12 mio coins have already been pre-mined and now the rest 500k are being mined?

no it was not removed. The title changed.

https://hashtalk.org/topic/23822
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https://bpip.org

(1) It was (according to Josh) used to pay ICO investors and for Hashpoint conversion (though as others have noted, this does not explain 12 million coins)


Anyone got any maths to show that ICO investors payment and HP conversion is not equal to 12 million? I'm on the fence till I see some proof. You guys are too biased to take at face value.

Here you go:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg9833591;topicseen#msg9833591
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Activity: 224
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(1) It was (according to Josh) used to pay ICO investors and for Hashpoint conversion (though as others have noted, this does not explain 12 million coins)


Anyone got any maths to show that ICO investors payment and HP conversion is not equal to 12 million? I'm on the fence till I see some proof. You guys are too biased to take at face value.
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The Scamcoats are coming!
Genesis block 0 was empty. No coins and no trnsactions. Block 1 (first block after the genesis block) was mined for 12,000,000 coins. Many on HT says this was not pre-mining. If it is not a pre-mine then what the fuck is it?

00:45:38

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"time" : "2014-12-12 05:10:03 UTC",
"nonce" : 178866433,
"bits" : "1d0fffff",
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"mint" : 12000000.00000000,
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]
}


These are not the 12,000,000 coins you're looking for.

legendary
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https://bpip.org
Genesis block 0 was empty. No coins and no trnsactions. Block 1 (first block after the genesis block) was mined for 12,000,000 coins. Many on HT says this was not pre-mining. If it is not a pre-mine then what the fuck is it?

It's simple. GAW competed for it with all of their 5 (or is it 35) petahashes, and by sheer luck managed to be the first to mine it. To make sure it was fair and balanced they didn't release the coin until 12+ hours after the first block was mined Smiley

According to the genuises on HT, it is not pre-mine because:

(1) It was (according to Josh) used to pay ICO investors and for Hashpoint conversion (though as others have noted, this does not explain 12 million coins)

(2) 12,000,000 Paycoins is so small in relation to the 1.5 billion coins that will be minted, that it matters not

(3) Who cares, because Satoshi himself premined so why not?

Seriously, this is the extent of the argument before my shadow ban for even asking the question.  Can't make this up.

I can, see above  Grin
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See he's watching very closely and doesn't like being exposed

Exposed?
man up you pussie admit your dumping friday that or sell me on gaw or get the fck out of here


A man doesn't talk to other men the way you talk to me. I'm pretty sure if you and I were standing in front of one another, you'd take a different tone with me.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/732/510/252.jpg

 
that meme would be valid except im from surrey bc i come from a hood police sirens are 24/7 apc swat tanks roll down the street bodys turn up all the time gangs are in the parks 30deep at nyt gun shots can be heard every nyt we call it ghetto thunder they tell tourists to avoid my area its dangerous just making eye contact with people in surrey for to long causes problems we also have infamous slaughter houses take a guess what those are lol brains splatter on walls dead body disposal houses
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Genesis block 0 was empty. No coins and no trnsactions. Block 1 (first block after the genesis block) was mined for 12,000,000 coins. Many on HT says this was not pre-mining. If it is not a pre-mine then what the fuck is it?

00:45:38

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"size" : 266,
"height" : 1,
"version" : 1,
"merkleroot" : "bc464dabcff3a1a415f3929d70b049f5211adc26311bec7d2b4519ff0616a771",
"time" : "2014-12-12 05:10:03 UTC",
"nonce" : 178866433,
"bits" : "1d0fffff",
"difficulty" : 0.06249911,
"mint" : 12000000.00000000,
"previousblockhash" : "00000e5695fbec8e36c10064491946ee3b723a9fa640fc0e25d3b8e4737e53e3",
"nextblockhash" : "00000000005abecff9a573e179c7de15f394aea86b57c2a499a1a249875bf9e1",
"flags" : "proof-of-work",
"proofhash" : "0000000e0a66049e6c3dff958a3c5bd7de957869f4fb7de82d4c2869819e180a",
"entropybit" : 0,
"modifier" : "0000000000000000",
"modifierchecksum" : "5189c78a",
"tx" : [
"bc464dabcff3a1a415f3929d70b049f5211adc26311bec7d2b4519ff0616a771"
]
}



According to the genuises on HT, it is not pre-mine because:

(1) It was (according to Josh) used to pay ICO investors and for Hashpoint conversion (though as others have noted, this does not explain 12 million coins)

(2) 12,000,000 Paycoins is so small in relation to the 1.5 billion coins that will be minted, that it matters not

(3) Who cares, because Satoshi himself premined so why not?

EDIT: (4) It was disclosed (really it wasn't fully: Josh initially said no pre-mining; whitepaper said 5.5 million premined for ICO investors; then a day before releasing wallet Josh posted something about additional investor which arguably implied having to increase the 5.5 million ICO premine round)

Seriously, this is the extent of the argument before my shadow ban for even asking the question.  Can't make this up.

legendary
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Genesis block 0 was empty. No coins and no trnsactions. Block 1 (first block after the genesis block) was mined for 12,000,000 coins. Many on HT says this was not pre-mining. If it is not a pre-mine then what the fuck is it?

00:45:38

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"hash" : "0000000e0a66049e6c3dff958a3c5bd7de957869f4fb7de82d4c2869819e180a",
"size" : 266,
"height" : 1,
"version" : 1,
"merkleroot" : "bc464dabcff3a1a415f3929d70b049f5211adc26311bec7d2b4519ff0616a771",
"time" : "2014-12-12 05:10:03 UTC",
"nonce" : 178866433,
"bits" : "1d0fffff",
"difficulty" : 0.06249911,
"mint" : 12000000.00000000,
"previousblockhash" : "00000e5695fbec8e36c10064491946ee3b723a9fa640fc0e25d3b8e4737e53e3",
"nextblockhash" : "00000000005abecff9a573e179c7de15f394aea86b57c2a499a1a249875bf9e1",
"flags" : "proof-of-work",
"proofhash" : "0000000e0a66049e6c3dff958a3c5bd7de957869f4fb7de82d4c2869819e180a",
"entropybit" : 0,
"modifier" : "0000000000000000",
"modifierchecksum" : "5189c78a",
"tx" : [
"bc464dabcff3a1a415f3929d70b049f5211adc26311bec7d2b4519ff0616a771"
]
}
legendary
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The Scamcoats are coming!
The more I learn about this coin it just gets goofier by the minute.

Q: What to do about people getting wise to pre-mines of alt coins and avoiding anything with more than a couple percentage points of pre-mine?

A: Pre-mine 95% of the coin and hire some really good marketing fellas to convince everyone it is a great thing.

I recall a quote from this German fellow with a funny mustache who was an ace at mis-leading people:

Quote
Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.
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If this guy's calculations are correct (So the final PoW Block with have almost 170,000 XPY reward in it?), then the race for the final block is going to be, hmm, crazy?

https://hashtalk.org/topic/23822/so-the-final-pow-block-with-have-almost-170-000-xpy-reward-in-it



... but most probably they'll change the rules and won't let it happen ... or not ... who knows Wink

This was removed from Hashtalk extremely fast Wink

PayCoin whitepaper states: "The miner who mines the final block, will receive a proportional block reward that is derived over the existence of the Proof-Of-Work stage, in relation to difficulty of the mined block".

Do I get this right that all blocks should be mined until 1419094800 (Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:00:00 GMT)? And 12 mio coins have already been pre-mined and now the rest 500k are being mined?

Yep, first block was 12mil I believe and that was done by GAW.
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If this guy's calculations are correct (So the final PoW Block with have almost 170,000 XPY reward in it?), then the race for the final block is going to be, hmm, crazy?

https://hashtalk.org/topic/23822/so-the-final-pow-block-with-have-almost-170-000-xpy-reward-in-it

https://i.imgur.com/P5wjyXi.png

... but most probably they'll change the rules and won't let it happen ... or not ... who knows Wink

This was removed from Hashtalk extremely fast Wink

PayCoin whitepaper states: "The miner who mines the final block, will receive a proportional block reward that is derived over the existence of the Proof-Of-Work stage, in relation to difficulty of the mined block".

Do I get this right that all blocks should be mined until 1419094800 (Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:00:00 GMT)? And 12 mio coins have already been pre-mined and now the rest 500k are being mined?
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The Scamcoats are coming!
This thread has 10 years worth of AMD/Intel type of trolldom rolled into one little lump. Tasty!  Tongue

Brass Tacks: What yield are people mining Paycoin actually seeing??

I could care less about all of the holier-than-thou BS and brand identification trollery. I just want to know if it would be better to take my miners off of renting and directly mine Paycoin? The yield predicitions I see on Multicoin pool jump around so wildly they make Firefly coin look a bedrock of stability.

Around .076 btc per th/s in a 24 hour period

Thank you. That is around the number I was getting by trying to average the wild prediction swings. I think I will stick to renting. My last payout was .074 / 12 hour shift for 1.8 TH. Not as good as a couple of .05 / 6 hour shifts I had a couple days ago when this nuttiness began, but still the best thing going. Nicehash went to 12 hour shifts last night, must be overloaded.....
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This thread has 10 years worth of AMD/Intel type of trolldom rolled into one little lump. Tasty!  Tongue

Brass Tacks: What yield are people mining Paycoin actually seeing??

I could care less about all of the holier-than-thou BS and brand identification trollery. I just want to know if it would be better to take my miners off of renting and directly mine Paycoin? The yield predicitions I see on Multicoin pool jump around so wildly they make Firefly coin look a bedrock of stability.

Around .068 btc per th/s in a 24 hour period
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FREE SERVICE: TEST YOUR NEW XPY WALLETS TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN RECEIVE XPY PROPERLY.

SEND 1 XPY TO PSKBHoCVeDpkhHu2jzF6bii4Q4eDkRFh1S AND PROVIDE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS.

EMAIL VERIFICATION OF RECEIPT OF XPY WILL BE PROVIDED.

THIS IS YOUR PROOF THAT YOUR WALLET IS WORKING.
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Can I buy a vest with my paycoin?
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The Scamcoats are coming!
Thanks for the answers, that is what I had pretty much summed up myself. I guess the question is whether to try to be one of the guys who gets a $20 buyback before the show money runs out and they slam the doors shut on the buyback window. I have been renting out my rigs these past days to the "believers" and was just wondering if maybe I was missing something and should mine some of this latest greatest scamcoin myself. Multicoin pool is showing about a 10 XPY/day potential for my 1.8 Th, and at the current going rate of $9 would  = $90, which is right about what some fools are paying me to mine today.

I doubt it's anywhere near 10 XPY per day for that hashrate, more like 5, and it's less than $9 now too. I other words, renting out is a safer bet in a declining market like this - if your ultimate goal is BTC, and not XPY.

This seems to be the logical choice, and the one I have made thus far although I have the wallet and signed for yet another pool so I could give this a whirl if it was indeed going to show a better return. Oh well, I guess I will just stick to selling shovels for $100 each. Cool
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Get ready to buy usb drives, zenHashlet hoodies, hats, shirts, the whole shebang! Buy more hashlets or stakers! You'll be decked out in Paycoin and GAW gear in no time after this Friday bros! Just what you wanted :')

And don't forget Josh has lined up master artist's to tattoo HashStakers on everyone's body (especially boobies and butts) for 1 XPY per tattoo.
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