Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) - page 2377. (Read 3377790 times)

So it looks like zen on paper is sold for 8 mil, daddy uses his name and invests maybe 1 mil into the game plan, maybe more. Just daddies name attached to this is worth it..Bravo Josh played the cards very well, as American Express would say, PRICELESS. Speaking of American Express, he did have some companies on his wallets, I would think he needs permission to do this? Kinda like the Visa logo he tried to use as a gimmick b4 he got nailed?

I'll throw in 1 more investors name out Payton H. Peterson.

If anybody thinks these guys are out to help others, THINK AGAIN.

People like these guys thrive off of suckers.

Anybody have Twinkies, we need chubby back, he had a big mouth, if he stayed any longer he would of spilled some beans.

Noticed Suchmoon was trying to bait him :p

Ha.. I was laughing my ass off.

Pretty clear it has nothing to do with Cantor Fitzgerald, just a couple of rich entitled brats playing with their inheritance money. Even that sudden creation of the Stuart Fraser twitter account is so obviously bogus from day one. You can see it right now at the shitty donut shop he is complaining about, him and Thomas sitting outside with their broken down 'vettes, Josh egging his buddy on.."dude dude you got to get your old man's permission to open a twitter account in his name.. we can use to promote the coin heheheheh...."

HAHA I didn't because the tummy tuck and breast....You get what i'm saying :p

But nice!

You might as well post the link if you're quoting. This guy seems to be a hateful troll, leaves mostly negative reviews.

https://plus.google.com/105558211373389265559/reviews

http://i.snag.gy/0DRSF.jpg

Yep you hit it!

This was funny, lets talk customer service hey?


Have some pics of other things but will not post them :p

He was flabbergasted, LMFAO....

Nice!

Absolutely appears to be his son isn't that interesting:

Thomas A Fraser

Age: 25-29

Lives in Armonk, NY  same as Stuart, in fact the same street even   

I am glad You and ZIG liked it 

Also as Scott mentioned, I hope everybody and their family had a Happy Thanksgiving / meal / get together.

Heard some info on how Stu is in on this, he is helping his kid, Thomas who was the real owner of Zen Miner, not Eric. Eric is either a worker or a small, very small owner of it, in %.

Stu is also a big player in buying copyrights, trademarks etc, thats how his 1st dealings started with CEO I hear.

I did some searching and all the information is out there, just no 1 put the names with the faces together.

So dad is maybe funding sons project, don't know if Cantor is part of this, I think is more on a private investor level. There are some kids with deep pockets in this, mostly mom and dads money.

Can find out some more but don't want to use all my favors on this.

Interesting. I wonder how long before he has a hissy fit and sends a C&D to the admin?

An idea to get the ball rolling in there is accountability; that is create a list of the mods on that forum and since they are all mostly resellers, their real ID's and data are public knowledge in the WHOIS data base if they are re-selling via their own websites along with other information. Takes a bit of leg work but some of them are so obnoxious in particular that lizard individual, it will do him well to see his name and association in the bright lights. Him and the PCoin fellow, internet is littered with his information. I am almost certain their "tough guy" moderator attitudes will change in an instant.

Success!

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I don't think it was "changed" as in "instead of 1.2 billion we are now going to have a cap of X coins" or "unlimited staking at X percentage". The number was just not mentioned in the WP anymore. I personally think the number was ludicrous to begin with, but there are some high-profile users on HT still perpetuating the idea apparently in an attempt to justify the future Prime profits.

https://hashtalk.org/topic/20101/need-to-know-mr-ceo/29

That's right. Hacks or DDOSes are positive in terms of PR. As for the assholes, I won't argue.

Exactly. I don't think there is any mention of "15 years" anymore either. So I don't know where he's pulling that "total coin supply over 15 years". According to the WP there is going to be 12.5 million "minted" coins during the POW stage and then 5% staking with no time limit. If it's dynamic staking as you're saying then I don't see that either, it should have a precise formula, right? You don't mean someone presses a button "generate 1 million coins"?

Edit: million.

Give me an idea and I can give it a shot.

can you make one for http://gawful.org please?

Thanks

I made a new logo for hashtalk:

https://hashtalk.org/topic/20144/am-i-right-to-be-sceptical


melfalcon  Am i right to be sceptical
through life I have always spoken my mind and will continue to do so.

In my opinion - from what my understanding of hashstaker, hash base etc etc is, GAW have been very clever. They are releasing a product that will probably work, however even if it doesn't they are going to make money from it. The community are going to fund the proof of stake. Which ever miner will eventually mine paycoin, GAW will make a profit via the maintenance fees, and of course the 5% buy / sell fees. From a business perspective they have been very clever, in fact they have come up with what appears to be an excellent model, as it appears that win / loose or draw GAW will make a profit.

Now don't get me wrong, I run a few businesses myself, and i certainly don't begrudge anyone a profit. So far I'm very happy with my investment in GAW. I bought primes at sub $16, sold them at $40. Invested some of the profit in gold / silver coins and the rest in my bank account. I then bought back into GAW / ZEN Cloudat a smaller scale for paycoin / hashbase etc. So now have a selection of $40 primes and $10 zens - so the money re-invested is from previous profit - so the term ROI that everyone likes to quote, I did a while back. Fortunately for me (based on ROI) I'm in a no lose situation. Especially as those 2 hashlet types sell above the valued i bought back in at.

So now to my point (i know a few of you that decided to read as opposed to just down voting before you got to this point, would like me to get to the point):-

At present - from my opinion - it appears the main part of the forthcoming release of hashstaker is based on nothing more than speculation or hearsay. The overwhelming view from the forum is that no-one at present can state exactly what we are being offered - comments of all the info is there, connect the dots seems widespread, that simply appears to re-enforce the fact that some people want to pretend they know the fine points. I realise that more information will be released tomorrow for hashstaker, however I feel it will only be details on one piece of the puzzle, but without info on the other pieces can you really make an informed decision.

The free 100 legendary hashlets for the 1st 100 orders, appears to be a way to get people to place an order more in the hope of getting a free legendary hashlet as opposed to making an informed decision on an investment.

The final thing that got me thinking, was the offer of 50 hashpoints (max of 500 hashpoints) for posting messages on twitter. Now I really am not sure who this was aimed at or why. In theory the offer of 50 - 500 hashpoints equates to $5 - $25. Personally I would not get out of bed to go to the toilet for a p!ss for $25. And i certainly wouldn't want to spam my twitter followers with 10 messages in the next 20 hours or so. Personally i would have thought the free legendary for the X number of best tweets (max 1 tweet per person) would have been a much btter and professional model.

Add to this the change in the release all of a sudden - AM instead of PM. I realise this is to target a larger market, but it is something that should have been done with announcements long ago.

I can't help but feel that the way that this is being approached, all of a sudden cheapens what appears to have been a good strategy / plan from GAW. All of a sudden it appears they are trying to create panic purchases before people have the full information. All of a sudden I have a little seed of doubt in my mind.

Don't get me wrong I will probably speculate some of my previous profit in hashstaker just to see how it goes (as im lucky in that my investment has already been recouped). However I would have been a lot happier to invest a decent sum if I had had clearer and fuller disclosure of information.

I welcome peoples comments - please be constructive. Perhaps I've missed some info on the forum, or perhaps its because I.m not a crypto currency release expert. However I have been mining for a long time. Ive been running companies for many years, and I've been investing various sums in different projects for years.


GAW_CEO

Of course you don't know anything about a product that has not been released.

When it's released, you can buy right away, or think about it for a month, either way is OK and you have that choice.

There is a whole group of other people that love the product we sell, and are willing to quickly buy a new product because of how we have delivered in the past.

I think we should let those people feel the way they do, just like you feel the way you do.

I am missing the value in posting, borderline, fud because of a normal sales strategy?


What a prick. He want's everyone to buy his shit before he even tells them what flavor of shit he's selling them. Who doesn't know about products before they are released? And who the hell "invests" in something they know nothing about because one guy says it's gonna be great? Oh wait. I know. Every single last one of his sheep after they beg, borrow and steal every last nickel they can get their hands on to throw at him.

clever 

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I've been trying to figure out for almost a month as to why I was shadow banned from HT.  If it hadn't been for Daffy I wouldn't have known I was shadow banned to PM'd me and said I think you were shadow banned. And sure enough.  I think common courtesy would be to tell someone (me in this case) that it's happened and why.

I think I saw something about open source yes.

This is not specifically about the wallet.

https://hashtalk.org/topic/19700