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Topic: GekkoScience Compac BM1384 Stickminer Official Support Thread - page 115. (Read 268015 times)

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Already shipped back? No, the discussion is only about four hours old and the post office doesn't run on Sundays.

lol, i didn't even check when it was posted, thought it was a few days back!

don't take it the wrong way, I do have interest on failures like this, maybe that's the reason 90% of my miners are dead Tongue
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Already shipped back? No, the discussion is only about four hours old and the post office doesn't run on Sundays.
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I am assuming this is the root of my failure.

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to me that just looks like flux residue..

already shipped back? sidehack, I'm interested in a autopsy..
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Very clean setup.  I really like the plastic.   I really wonder what a 3d printing master could do with plastic.

How fast are you running those 2 compacs?

Currently both of them are running at 306. That results in about 16.9 GH/s with 0.08% HW errors.

I would have gone higher, but one of the units is a little weaker. I had to turn up the voltage proportionally more on the weak unit to get to 300-ish.

I probably could mess around a bit more with the voltage and frequency to go higher. Or I could explore per-unit frequency options since one stick outperforms the other. Assuming that cgminer-gekko can in fact do that (I don't know).

In the end it seemed good enough to get double the stock hash rate for the amount of fiddling I did.
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I'm actually impressed, that make it super simple and super modular. How do you cut the plastic? With a wood saw? And where do you get those... "Egg Crates" for cheap? Then you just tie wrap the miner stuff and maybe hot glue or screw the plastic in place.

Right now i just put my stick on the hub and put it on the side so that the USB fan sticking out from the mobo blow air on it.

Egg crate is made of stiff polystyrene plastic, so it's easy to cut. I typically use diagonal cutters. The plastic easily splits along the cut line. Very easy to work with. Got the idea to use this stuff from a very different hobby (salt water aquariums).

I bought a big panel a couple of years ago and have built out three small scale rigs out of the stuff. Usually I just tack down the power supplies, hubs, etc. with zip ties. Once the components are in place, the rig is effectively portable.

It's typically used as paneling for lighting fixtures, especially comercial fluorescents, in the US at least. Any building supply or lighting company should have it for pretty cheap. If you search for "egg crate plastic" you'll find a ton of options.

Thank you, this is great, i found this;
http://www.homedepot.ca/product/egg-crate-white-louver-2375-inch-x-4775-inch/924867

Its like 10$USD for 24*48inch~ thats a ton of material and its hella cheap. I'll have to pick some up next time i got the car. I will definitively use this as base from now own instead of the convoluted stuff i came up with for my GPU rig. And on top you can have air from go through. Great find!

With this i might even be able to afix the Sidehack stick to my GPU rig that has a box fan blowing air between the GPUs. Wont need to use the USB Fan.
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Here is something you might like

PCB UV inspection - Find bad capacitors and other problems on a PCB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0qTOLBhlVs

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I'm actually impressed, that make it super simple and super modular. How do you cut the plastic? With a wood saw? And where do you get those... "Egg Crates" for cheap? Then you just tie wrap the miner stuff and maybe hot glue or screw the plastic in place.

Right now i just put my stick on the hub and put it on the side so that the USB fan sticking out from the mobo blow air on it.

Egg crate is made of stiff polystyrene plastic, so it's easy to cut. I typically use diagonal cutters. The plastic easily splits along the cut line. Very easy to work with. Got the idea to use this stuff from a very different hobby (salt water aquariums).

I bought a big panel a couple of years ago and have built out three small scale rigs out of the stuff. Usually I just tack down the power supplies, hubs, etc. with zip ties. Once the components are in place, the rig is effectively portable.

It's typically used as paneling for lighting fixtures, especially comercial fluorescents, in the US at least. Any building supply or lighting company should have it for pretty cheap. If you search for "egg crate plastic" you'll find a ton of options.

Very clean setup.  I really like the plastic.   I really wonder what a 3d printing master could do with plastic.

How fast are you running those 2 compacs?
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I'm actually impressed, that make it super simple and super modular. How do you cut the plastic? With a wood saw? And where do you get those... "Egg Crates" for cheap? Then you just tie wrap the miner stuff and maybe hot glue or screw the plastic in place.

Right now i just put my stick on the hub and put it on the side so that the USB fan sticking out from the mobo blow air on it.

Egg crate is made of stiff polystyrene plastic, so it's easy to cut. I typically use diagonal cutters. The plastic easily splits along the cut line. Very easy to work with. Got the idea to use this stuff from a very different hobby (salt water aquariums).

I bought a big panel a couple of years ago and have built out three small scale rigs out of the stuff. Usually I just tack down the power supplies, hubs, etc. with zip ties. Once the components are in place, the rig is effectively portable.

It's typically used as paneling for lighting fixtures, especially comercial fluorescents, in the US at least. Any building supply or lighting company should have it for pretty cheap. If you search for "egg crate plastic" you'll find a ton of options.
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Appears to be something with the low-side FET. The damage is at the gate pin. Not sure what's up.

But if the buck is bouncing up to 1.1V, that's the point the ASIC will shunt it off to.

The low-side FET should never not conduct at all unless it's sorely damaged. Even if the gate doesn't kick the transistor on, the body diode would still conduct during the low swing of the switching. It'd run hot and not very efficient; I forget the Vf of the body diode but it's probably around 0.8V so if you were trying to crank 4W into the ASIC at 660mV that's six amps and a good 5W dissipated by the low-side FET with about 85% duty. The FET itself is rated much higher than that but this installation lacks the required PCB heatsinking to hold up. If the FET completely shot craps such that the switch and body diode aren't conducting at all, it's possible that the high-side could cause an overvolt condition.

I watch the current levels on every stick I test, and they're always in the same range (with about 5% variance) so it should have been working when it left my bench. But that doesn't always mean it'll work forever, unfortunately, and something could have gone wrong caused that transistor to drop out.

If you want to mail it back to me I'll send you a replacement. If you want I'll send it straightaway, or you mentioned ordering more and I can add one to that order when it's eventually placed.
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What is a good difficulty to start with at 200MHz? I want to include --suggest-diff in my cgminer.bat and currently have it at 84 which is working, but can you recommend an optimal value?

a switch that'll work with solo.ckpool: --suggest-diff N.  Set N equal to or greater than your hash rate in Gh/s.  Saves some unnecessary diff switching and high diff on startup.
In your case, 200MHz * 55 = 11Gh/s, so suggest-diff at 11 is pretty reasonable.  I like powers of two so I'd probably bump it up to 16, myself, but if you want to see more share activity, 10 will do just as well.  Setting it 'too low' just makes the pool go ಠ_ಠ, setting it 'too high' just means you're increasing your variance unnecessarily Smiley
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My 4 Compcac "Cube".

Thanks for sharing!  Very cool use of the old block erupter cube.

I have been playing wit the Y usb still some to get more speed.   I need to find a nice way to let them sit infront of the fan's.  Looks very nice with usb direct on hub but y cable means I need a new design.

I'm a big fan of egg crate for smaller rigs. It's not pretty, but it's super versatile.

Here's what my stick rig with Y cables looks like (repurposed from running a bunch of DualMiners recently):




I'm actually impressed, that make it super simple and super modular. How do you cut the plastic? With a wood saw? And where do you get those... "Egg Crates" for cheap? Then you just tie wrap the miner stuff and maybe hot glue or screw the plastic in place.

Right now i just put my stick on the hub and put it on the side so that the USB fan sticking out from the mobo blow air on it.
legendary
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My 4 Compcac "Cube".

Thanks for sharing!  Very cool use of the old block erupter cube.

I have been playing wit the Y usb still some to get more speed.   I need to find a nice way to let them sit infront of the fan's.  Looks very nice with usb direct on hub but y cable means I need a new design.

I'm a big fan of egg crate for smaller rigs. It's not pretty, but it's super versatile.

Here's what my stick rig with Y cables looks like (repurposed from running a bunch of DualMiners recently):




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To quote myself from a post on the previous page made some three days ago:

regarding turning up the pot, there's no way to break the ASIC unless other things are going seriously wrong. You can spin the pot screw in circles and you'll only ever get between 550 and 800mV, which is a completely safe range. The only problem would be if you took the voltage all the way up and then ran it without a fan might damage something, but you'll easily notice that the heatsink is getting very toasty.

One thing to note is this:



0.77V is about right for if you're planning on running up around 375MHz. Sticks come off my bench about 610mV and Novak runs 'em at 200MHz off that voltage. Errors are probably around a couple percent; it's hard to get an accurate read with the 512 vardiff we end up with but according to Bitmain's chip data 650mV is good for clean at that speed.

Sounds like your ASIC is damaged. Drawing excess current could be a bad FET on the buck or a near-shorted load downstream of it. If the heatsink is getting hot that means it's taking most of the power, which indicates the buck is probably working right but the ASIC isn't.
Another thing to consider is the buck isn't working right and is overvolting the ASIC, which is shunting the excess power and cooking that way. The real test is going to be measuring the Vcore and seeing what you find. If you can do that and let me know what it looks like would be a good first step. A different good first step would be to send it back for a replacement. I don't like selling things that break.

Regarding using cgminer to generate a config file, well that'd be something Novak'd have to look at. I've never used a cgminer config file, outside whatever's autogenerated by internal controllers on things. I've always run command line, or a batch file on rare occasions.

I read your answer to alh but hadn't remembered it when I posted. Thank you for the refresher and appreciate the further clarification. I understand what vcore is and that I did not need to have it set that high for running 200 or 250 but as I was playing and since I have played with many other devices which utilize a vcore I didn't see an issue with leaving it set higher than needed. I understand it burns more power and heats things up, but didn't think it would be an issue since I had a good fan and ac on the situation.
I actually hadn't given it much thought at all because what I'd read from the Compac threads I didn't see a red flag with using a maximum vcore adjustment with a low frequency.
I am assuming this is the root of my failure.
Too hot:


I don't know how I did it and will be using a couple of more fans when I actually perform real overclocking with my survivors. I examined my running pieces with a nice lighted magnifier and do not see anything on those two which resembles the damage in the picture above. Hopefully it was a fluke.

The vcore measures .86 to 1.1 and bounces between those values.
As a reference I measured one of the living sticks while hashing and it was at .663 rock solid.

If you do want it back confirm the ship to via PM and I will send it out.

 
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Is there a MAC version of the CGminr for Compac? Windows will only let me run 2 sticks, and I have a Mac Mini sitting on my desk only running my security cameras I could be playing with.
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To quote myself from a post on the previous page made some three days ago:

regarding turning up the pot, there's no way to break the ASIC unless other things are going seriously wrong. You can spin the pot screw in circles and you'll only ever get between 550 and 800mV, which is a completely safe range. The only problem would be if you took the voltage all the way up and then ran it without a fan might damage something, but you'll easily notice that the heatsink is getting very toasty.

One thing to note is this:



0.77V is about right for if you're planning on running up around 375MHz. Sticks come off my bench about 610mV and Novak runs 'em at 200MHz off that voltage. Errors are probably around a couple percent; it's hard to get an accurate read with the 512 vardiff we end up with but according to Bitmain's chip data 650mV is good for clean at that speed.

Sounds like your ASIC is damaged. Drawing excess current could be a bad FET on the buck or a near-shorted load downstream of it. If the heatsink is getting hot that means it's taking most of the power, which indicates the buck is probably working right but the ASIC isn't.
Another thing to consider is the buck isn't working right and is overvolting the ASIC, which is shunting the excess power and cooking that way. The real test is going to be measuring the Vcore and seeing what you find. If you can do that and let me know what it looks like would be a good first step. A different good first step would be to send it back for a replacement. I don't like selling things that break.

Regarding using cgminer to generate a config file, well that'd be something Novak'd have to look at. I've never used a cgminer config file, outside whatever's autogenerated by internal controllers on things. I've always run command line, or a batch file on rare occasions.
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I bricked one of my compac sticks  Cry
RIP Compac #2
She still has a heartbeat as when sitting idle the green LED pulses slightly, but no more hash.

I want to be clear in saying I do not think this has anything to do with the quality of the product. I think there must have been something I did or it is a fluke. Anyone who was around when I spent weeks trying to get answers out of BITMAIN will know I am not shy about questioning quality and I have no reason to do so with the compac.

Symptom:
I woke up with a high HW count. Pulled all sticks and placed one at a time in the USB power monitoring device which goes between the stick and the hub and #2 was pulling amperage from 1.5 to 2.5 and bouncing around quickly from the low number to the high and all between. Voltage acting crazy as well bouncing from 4.7 to 5.1 and all between.

I checked the screw adjustment for voltage and have it sitting at about the 6 o'clock position relative to the pic in the OP by Novac which should be around .77 ish. I had been running them all at freq 200 while I slept. Nice Arctic Breeze Fan blowing on them almost directly under the AC vent.
Adjusting the voltage screw makes no change at all. It begins doing the herky jerky with volts-amps as described above upon insertion in the hub. Rebooted everything, re-installed everything, but same results. This is a pure hardware fault.

I don't think I pushed it too hard, kept the fan on, but maybe I let it get too hot somehow.
Or, maybe I had the voltage set too high for that low of frequency.
If she sits in the hub idle from a fresh cold boot of everything as soon as she sees power she starts to heat up way too fast, so I am assuming I have a short.

I plan to order more, and if you guys want me to try any tests I have a good meter and know how to use it, or if you want me to send it back to you for evaluation I would be happy to do so. If you want a vid, pics, etc I am happy to do that as well. I know from my own day job I have things sent back to me for evaluation just so I can see what happened for myself and many times it provides information I can use to help people avoid failures. No matter who is at fault we all learn from the experience.

One of my other sticks which is running beautifully at 200MHz at the moment shows a 4.98v 1.06a draw. I can lay my fingers on the ones running and it is slightly warm, but nothing that would even come close to making me move my fingers. The one which broke will burn my finger if I leave it there for more than a few seconds. She is throwing off the heat hard. The hub is cool to the touch everywhere.

I would enjoy hearing any ideas of what I might play with to try and get her back to hashing again, but it isn't anything I am going to cry about either. The first time I adjusted the voltage and used a higher frequency I accepted that I'd taken things in my own hands.

By the way, can you adjust the voltage live? While hashing?

Does the voltage adjustment have a dead zone?

Can you turn it too many times one direction or the other? I don't see that happening, but wanted to confirm.

What is a good difficulty to start with at 200MHz? I want to include --suggest-diff in my cgminer.bat and currently have it at 84 which is working, but can you recommend an optimal value? I will read a refresher on difficulty because that is what stick-mining is teaching spoiled miners like me who came after days of needing to use a Pi, everything stand alone with vardiff. Smiley

One other item just because I saw a couple of others mention the same thing is my cgminer will not write a conf file. Well, let me clarify, in the menu when cgminer is running you can select a menu option to write a conf. When I do so, it creates the file but it is completely empty.
I have done everything as administrator, from running zadig to cgminer I run as administrator.



the conf file bug is for all of us and has not been fixed yet.

as for the bricked stick.

let it sit for a day.

power off all sticks.

set freq for 175 try to start just the lone 'dead' stick  make sure it has a fan on it.

if it does not hash but is detected by windows  turn the pot from 6 to 5 o clock  restart and try again


by windows detection see here.



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I bricked one of my compac sticks  Cry
RIP Compac #2
She still has a heartbeat as when sitting idle the green LED pulses slightly, but no more hash.

I want to be clear in saying I do not think this has anything to do with the quality of the product. I think there must have been something I did or it is a fluke. Anyone who was around when I spent weeks trying to get answers out of BITMAIN will know I am not shy about questioning quality and I have no reason to do so with the compac.

Symptom:
I woke up with a high HW count. Pulled all sticks and placed one at a time in the USB power monitoring device which goes between the stick and the hub and #2 was pulling amperage from 1.5 to 2.5 and bouncing around quickly from the low number to the high and all between. Voltage acting crazy as well bouncing from 4.7 to 5.1 and all between.

I checked the screw adjustment for voltage and have it sitting at about the 6 o'clock position relative to the pic in the OP by Novac which should be around .77 ish. I had been running them all at freq 200 while I slept. Nice Arctic Breeze Fan blowing on them almost directly under the AC vent.
Adjusting the voltage screw makes no change at all. It begins doing the herky jerky with volts-amps as described above upon insertion in the hub. Rebooted everything, re-installed everything, but same results. This is a pure hardware fault.

I don't think I pushed it too hard, kept the fan on, but maybe I let it get too hot somehow.
Or, maybe I had the voltage set too high for that low of frequency.
If she sits in the hub idle from a fresh cold boot of everything as soon as she sees power she starts to heat up way too fast, so I am assuming I have a short.

I plan to order more, and if you guys want me to try any tests I have a good meter and know how to use it, or if you want me to send it back to you for evaluation I would be happy to do so. If you want a vid, pics, etc I am happy to do that as well. I know from my own day job I have things sent back to me for evaluation just so I can see what happened for myself and many times it provides information I can use to help people avoid failures. No matter who is at fault we all learn from the experience.

One of my other sticks which is running beautifully at 200MHz at the moment shows a 4.98v 1.06a draw. I can lay my fingers on the ones running and it is slightly warm, but nothing that would even come close to making me move my fingers. The one which broke will burn my finger if I leave it there for more than a few seconds. She is throwing off the heat hard. The hub is cool to the touch everywhere.

I would enjoy hearing any ideas of what I might play with to try and get her back to hashing again, but it isn't anything I am going to cry about either. The first time I adjusted the voltage and used a higher frequency I accepted that I'd taken things in my own hands.

By the way, can you adjust the voltage live? While hashing?

Does the voltage adjustment have a dead zone?


What is a good difficulty to start with at 200MHz? I want to include --suggest-diff in my cgminer.bat and currently have it at 84 which is working, but can you recommend an optimal value? I will read a refresher on difficulty because that is what stick-mining is teaching spoiled miners like me who came after days of needing to use a Pi, everything stand alone with vardiff. Smiley

One other item just because I saw a couple of others mention the same thing is my cgminer will not write a conf file. Well, let me clarify, in the menu when cgminer is running you can select a menu option to write a conf. When I do so, it creates the file but it is completely empty.
I have done everything as administrator, from running zadig to cgminer I run as administrator.

legendary
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Truth be told, we are scheming on a version 2 with a new chip sometime in the future which would have software voltage control as well. Also a brickable pod miner I might prototype with BM1384, hopefully within the next few weeks if I can get a break from manufacturing. Novak and I have a game plan for the next couple months that should mean some pretty interesting output.

I'm at the very end of the first half of the batch right now and saving up for parts for the second 500. Hopefully I won't have to open another preorder queue and we can out-of-pocket it instead but that's gonna be pretty tight.
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I do like to stand in the garage and watch them blink.
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I slept with nine of 'em in my room for a weekend when I first got test sticks together and didn't have trouble, which I'm usually pretty sensitive to lights when I'm trying to fall asleep so I figured it'd be no problem. I like the flash, but the green by itself is probably a bit brighter than it needs to be.

It's not a problem, it doesn't bother me, it was just a bit embarrassing because i have many miners with blinking lights and in the dark, they dont illuminate my living room.

Meanwhile the tiny stick does and its bright enough that from the outside, you can see the reflection on the window, so my neighbor was asking me whats up with the lightshow during the night. It was casual and its not bright enough to bother anyone, it's just enough to be noticeable.

I told him i had one of those modem with some flashy LEDS and we laughed it out.
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