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sr. member
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Let's see how many comments here will be deleted. Perhaps G M is not interested in promotions here any longer.

They should be targetting new comers in the mainstream consumer market.

I think they have given up on this forum and like what you said - shift focus on consumer market, non-technology  sector and attract more fresh investors.
legendary
Activity: 1890
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Started mining at the beginning of 2015 and am now up to 2.8 th/s. With BTC increasing, adding more hash requires relativity less coin. Hence, I am able to upgrade sooner and more often. Hope the price stays up for a while so I can keep building my mine.
I have a lot of fun building my rig power in the genesis mining environment. The last 9 months i have building my X11 and Ethereum mining power.
Specially Dash en Ethereum are doing well. To bad X11 is not for sale at this moment.
sr. member
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Started mining at the beginning of 2015 and am now up to 2.8 th/s. With BTC increasing, adding more hash requires relativity less coin. Hence, I am able to upgrade sooner and more often. Hope the price stays up for a while so I can keep building my mine.

You are high on weed. Have you ROI? You claimed to start from early 2015
sr. member
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Started mining at the beginning of 2015 and am now up to 2.8 th/s. With BTC increasing, adding more hash requires relativity less coin. Hence, I am able to upgrade sooner and more often. Hope the price stays up for a while so I can keep building my mine.

You are not thinking logically. Please. It is more worthwhole to buy coins and hold. Alternatively, invest in other form of algorithm cloud mining, get alt coins and trade for btc
sr. member
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Don't you looooooove how offensive my name sounds?
Started mining at the beginning of 2015 and am now up to 2.8 th/s. With BTC increasing, adding more hash requires relativity less coin. Hence, I am able to upgrade sooner and more often. Hope the price stays up for a while so I can keep building my mine.

you are on crack. you could have made 100x your money in that much time in other ways wow ;\
but i guess for kids its cool to play with, fun hey? Wink 
o and your sig referral is only good for 2.5% wut u trying to pull? that's not very honorable sir
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Started mining at the beginning of 2015 and am now up to 2.8 th/s. With BTC increasing, adding more hash requires relativity less coin. Hence, I am able to upgrade sooner and more often. Hope the price stays up for a while so I can keep building my mine.
sr. member
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Let's see how many comments here will be deleted. Perhaps G M is not interested in promotions here any longer.

They should be targetting new comers in the mainstream consumer market.

You are spot on. I won't promote my products here if I were them, knowing the target customers in this forum is seasoned and well aware of their tactics.
legendary
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Lol, WOW, dare to ask a few mild, relevant questions and get Ad Hominemed as a psycho by their Number One Shill!
Way to go Zeta   Cheesy
By the way, you never thanked me for pointing out, last time you were raving about your ETH contract, how much MORE money you would have made if you just had bought the fucking coin, not given your money to Mr. Streng to mine it for you rip you off...

Edit: Thank you for your message



I repeat my reasonable questions, and a couple more besides, addressed to Genesis Mining on their self moderated thread, on the largest Bitcoin forum there is (which they visited today), expecting a reasonable response from the self proclaimed, fully transparent, cloud mining industry leader

1) What is your total hashrate?
2) What pools do you mine with?
3) Do you also solo mine?
4) Why can't we see the address to which the new coins go?
5) What equipment do you use to mine Bitcoin?
6) How have your mining plans been affected by the failure of Spondoolies?
7) How do you propose moving forward with the conjunction of the halving and 14nm competition staring you in the face?


Those are the questions most of which I've been asking on their website. All I receive mostly are lame answers. We do have the right to get answers to those questions as we're purchasing contacts there.
newbie
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support now wrote, that there was a glitch and I should get my contract back...

Can you tell me what support has said to you. I am in the same situation (missing 15th) and all they are saying is that my account has became unprofitable.
sr. member
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Let's see how many comments here will be deleted. Perhaps G M is not interested in promotions here any longer.

They should be targetting new comers in the mainstream consumer market.
hero member
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They are actually allowed to delete your contract if it has been unprofitable from a maintenance perspective for more than 20 days straight.

From their contracts, 4.b Terms:

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"The Service Provider may terminate this Agreement with immediate effect if the Coins generated in the preceding 20 days do not suffice to pay the Fee under 2.b above."

This is a huge deal! A lot of people don't realize that with exponentially rising mining difficulty and a constant maintenance fee, your contract will sooner or later expire provided the BTC price doesn't go to the moon (lifetime contracts... yeah, right). And if it did, most of these cloud mining companies would probably go bust.

Think about it, all it takes is a 20 day exchange rate dive and your whole investment is gone. Doesn't matter if the price goes up again shortly after. *Poof*. Gone. Buh-bye. As it is right now, a dive below 300 EUR/BTC for 20 days would suffice for a lot of contracts to disappear. And that cut-off is rising every day due to the rising difficulty. It could be 600 EUR/BTC in a couple of months. Are you certain the bitcoin price will stay above 600 EUR consistently for the next few years? I'm not.


Apparently those 1y contracts didn't had that condition.. I got my hash back now waiting for payment that should include last few days also.

I must say that GM trust rating has gone up a bit in my eyes now after all...

lol.  why because they have a broken system that tried to scam you then ONLY fixed it once YOU let them know?
o ya, awesome guys there. im sure it will work out great, might even get 50% of your money back! Grin

let me explain:
trustlevel on 100% scale:
was: 10%
went: -100%
is now: 0% - meaning I have what I have there and wont buy more

sr. member
Activity: 504
Merit: 250
Don't you looooooove how offensive my name sounds?
They are actually allowed to delete your contract if it has been unprofitable from a maintenance perspective for more than 20 days straight.

From their contracts, 4.b Terms:

Quote
"The Service Provider may terminate this Agreement with immediate effect if the Coins generated in the preceding 20 days do not suffice to pay the Fee under 2.b above."

This is a huge deal! A lot of people don't realize that with exponentially rising mining difficulty and a constant maintenance fee, your contract will sooner or later expire provided the BTC price doesn't go to the moon (lifetime contracts... yeah, right). And if it did, most of these cloud mining companies would probably go bust.

Think about it, all it takes is a 20 day exchange rate dive and your whole investment is gone. Doesn't matter if the price goes up again shortly after. *Poof*. Gone. Buh-bye. As it is right now, a dive below 300 EUR/BTC for 20 days would suffice for a lot of contracts to disappear. And that cut-off is rising every day due to the rising difficulty. It could be 600 EUR/BTC in a couple of months. Are you certain the bitcoin price will stay above 600 EUR consistently for the next few years? I'm not.


Apparently those 1y contracts didn't had that condition.. I got my hash back now waiting for payment that should include last few days also.

I must say that GM trust rating has gone up a bit in my eyes now after all...

lol.  why because they have a broken system that tried to scam you then ONLY fixed it once YOU let them know?
o ya, awesome guys there. im sure it will work out great, might even get 50% of your money back! Grin
hero member
Activity: 651
Merit: 500
They are actually allowed to delete your contract if it has been unprofitable from a maintenance perspective for more than 20 days straight.

From their contracts, 4.b Terms:

Quote
"The Service Provider may terminate this Agreement with immediate effect if the Coins generated in the preceding 20 days do not suffice to pay the Fee under 2.b above."

This is a huge deal! A lot of people don't realize that with exponentially rising mining difficulty and a constant maintenance fee, your contract will sooner or later expire provided the BTC price doesn't go to the moon (lifetime contracts... yeah, right). And if it did, most of these cloud mining companies would probably go bust.

Think about it, all it takes is a 20 day exchange rate dive and your whole investment is gone. Doesn't matter if the price goes up again shortly after. *Poof*. Gone. Buh-bye. As it is right now, a dive below 300 EUR/BTC for 20 days would suffice for a lot of contracts to disappear. And that cut-off is rising every day due to the rising difficulty. It could be 600 EUR/BTC in a couple of months. Are you certain the bitcoin price will stay above 600 EUR consistently for the next few years? I'm not.


Apparently those 1y contracts didn't had that condition.. I got my hash back now waiting for payment that should include last few days also.

I must say that GM trust rating has gone up a bit in my eyes now after all...
hero member
Activity: 651
Merit: 500
support now wrote, that there was a glitch and I should get my contract back...
sr. member
Activity: 504
Merit: 250
Don't you looooooove how offensive my name sounds?
Miner rigs in Hashnest easily gets obsolete. I mean, if you don't trade then you won't ROI.

ya sure would be great to just buy hash and let it sit for months with no love into it, as a magic money machine hey? (sic)
only fucking idiots would "let their machine go obselete" at hashnest, straight up
full member
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Invest your BTC
Miner rigs in Hashnest easily gets obsolete. I mean, if you don't trade then you won't ROI.
newbie
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OK thanks for your insights, I'm saddened, I thought mining in legit companies is OK.

I think mining in legit cloud mining services can still be profitable, especially considering that those will not simply terminate your contract but offer to send you the hardware you've practically bought instead. So you can at least sell that hardware on ebay later on and have a shot at making a profit in total. An example of a 99.9% legit cloud mining service would be Hashnest, I'm currently looking into investing there. I'm not certain as to whether it is profitable or not, though. I am still looking for more first hand experience by users that have been invested there for a longer period of time.

It's a shame about all those lost contracts though. I imagine 90%+ of their customers were not aware this clause existed in their contracts prior to their hashrate suddenly disappearing. I feel bad for those people, they have been tricked by shady referral programs and terms like "lifelong contract".
full member
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OK thanks for your insights, I'm saddened, I thought mining in legit companies is OK.
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
They are actually allowed to delete your contract if it has been unprofitable from a maintenance perspective for more than 20 days straight.

From their contracts, 4.b Terms:

Quote
"The Service Provider may terminate this Agreement with immediate effect if the Coins generated in the preceding 20 days do not suffice to pay the Fee under 2.b above."

This is a huge deal! A lot of people don't realize that with exponentially rising mining difficulty and a constant maintenance fee, your contract will sooner or later expire provided the BTC price doesn't go to the moon (lifetime contracts... yeah, right). And if it did, most of these cloud mining companies would probably go bust.

Think about it, all it takes is a 20 day exchange rate dive and your whole investment is gone. Doesn't matter if the price goes up again shortly after. *Poof*. Gone. Buh-bye. As it is right now, a dive below 300 EUR/BTC for 20 days would suffice for a lot of contracts to disappear. And that cut-off is rising every day due to the rising difficulty. It could be 600 EUR/BTC in a couple of months. Are you certain the bitcoin price will stay above 600 EUR consistently for the next few years? I'm not.



And Genesis Mining isn't the only company practicing this method. Here's a gem from Hashflare's ToS:

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"5.5. The Mining process continues until said mining is profitable. This means the Mining process will stop if the Maintenance and Electricity Fees will become larger than the Payout. Permanent Service termination (Hashrate type specific) if mining remains unprofitable for 21 days."


Which begs the question: Why are those contracts terminated (so quickly)? The hardware is still there (provided it ever existed) - so why not give it at least a couple of months before throwing it out? Since that is the only explanation as to why those contracts are being terminated: The hardware is getting replaced because it's not profitable anymore. In such a case, why not offer customers a switch to newer hardware for a small fee?

These contract terminations are extremely suspicious to say the least. To me, it appears to be a built in "fail-safe" in favor of the companies selling the contracts - a fail-safe that makes the ponzi scheme obsolete because the customers never really have a chance of getting their money back. I don't want to say it's a scam because they're literally holding up their end of the contract - a contract you have to agree to before buying hashrate there. Is it a good business practice that invokes trust in them actually mining (all of the) coins they claim to mine? Certainly not.

Personally, I have come to the conclusion that services like GM or HF are nothing else but a gamble. You literally have to bet on the exchange rate going up enough (and due to the exponentially rising mining difficulty, those levels would have to be ridiculously high, almost impossible to achieve) until you can hit ROI - and it still could take years for you to get there. Why would you do that, though? Why would you bet on something if the best outcome is getting your money back after a year or so? You could literally invest in bitcoin instead, keep them for a year and you'll have so much more than just your initial investment back.



I am desperately looking for a legit cloud mining service, but neither HF nor GM are those - and those clauses in their contracts should make that abundantly clear to anyone still wondering about their profitability.

Please think twice before investing in those companies. No, GM and HF are (most likely) no ponzi-schemes - but that's because they don't have to be. They will do exactly what the contract you sign with them says - but it's a shitty contract and chances you will ever see ROI are minuscule. You literally have better odds in any given casino - and you know something isn't a good investment opportunity when "betting on black" isn't only a safer but also way more lucrative move.
sr. member
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Can GM answer this? Smiley

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15220479

Also, I find it strange that GM could sustain by mining with older hardware. Those old hardware should be inefficient and cost tons of electricity. Shouldn't they be using more efficient miners, 14nm tech, such as S9s?

And what happened to scrypt power they took away from their customers? I understand that scrypt has better longevity than other algos..
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