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Topic: Gerald Davis aka DeathAndTaxes of BitSimple and Tangible Cryptography (Read 4486 times)

newbie
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typically 50% or so of small bushiness fail.. look it up
When businesses 'fail' and 'stop communicating' (AKA KTHXBAI)? There's a name for that.
Small businesses are not funded via public offerings, because laws. Largely due to shit like this.

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[...] and I do kiss investments goodbye, just so you know.
Smart, when 'investing' in bitcoin 'business.'


newbie
Activity: 2
Merit: 0
$600k? Did he promise you a formula to turn mud into gold or something? Hindsight is not going to help now but greed of the investors played a big part. Either you are incredibly wealthy and hundreds of thousands of dollars is a drop in the bucket or you gambled a huge sum on a roll of the dice. This doesn't absolve Gerald of all the guilt but why, after other high level members have pulled similar scale scams, does anyone trust a stranger over the internet? I understand you feel company shares were a tangible asset, but a phenomenal amount of companies go under each year so it really means very little.

I don't want to rub salt in the wound, just don't understand how he duped such huge sums from a few people. 16,000 posts? That's just bits in a database.

There's no evidence he was "guilty" of anything except poor communication.

His company failed to make a profit and was dissolved.  End of story unless there's something I'm missing here.

Technically, each and every "business" is not '"guilty" of anything except poor communication.' Ukyo, Cryptocyprus, TradeFortress...
donator
Activity: 2772
Merit: 1019
This is disheartening.

I guess trust just doesn't work online. We'll have to find better technological solutions and use them.



Trust over internet doesn't work really well . . . the problem is the human.

I agree. We never should've let the humans onto the internet.

Destroy all keyboards, screens and other HIDs. In fact, let's all just...

Code:
#> cd /usr/src/linux
#> rm -rf drivers/hid
#> make && make modules_install && make install && reboot


You have displeased the Cryptofiat gods ! -500 points !

Sesame Credit: China's Creepy New Social Engineering Experiment
https://youtu.be/kcEUVDe38Ec

If we do not abandon cryptos, as they are now, humanity is doomed to be eternally enslaved. Or at least until the power gets cut off.

What will you do when your government offers you their "safe" alternative ?

legendary
Activity: 1012
Merit: 1000
We on P. Sherman 42 Wallaby Way, Sydney
This is disheartening.

I guess trust just doesn't work online. We'll have to find better technological solutions and use them.



Trust over internet doesn't work really well . . . the problem is the human.

I agree. We never should've let the humans onto the internet.

Destroy all keyboards, screens and other HIDs. In fact, let's all just...

Code:
#> cd /usr/src/linux
#> rm -rf drivers/hid
#> make && make modules_install && make install && reboot


You have displeased the Cryptofiat gods ! -500 points !

Sesame Credit: China's Creepy New Social Engineering Experiment
https://youtu.be/kcEUVDe38Ec

If we do not abandon cryptos, as they are now, humanity is doomed to be eternally enslaved. Or at least until the power gets cut off.

What will you do when your government offers you their "safe" alternative ?


I'll refuse their safe alternative.
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1001
All cryptos are FIAT digital currency. Do not use.
This is disheartening.

I guess trust just doesn't work online. We'll have to find better technological solutions and use them.



Trust over internet doesn't work really well . . . the problem is the human.

I agree. We never should've let the humans onto the internet.

Destroy all keyboards, screens and other HIDs. In fact, let's all just...

Code:
#> cd /usr/src/linux
#> rm -rf drivers/hid
#> make && make modules_install && make install && reboot


You have displeased the Cryptofiat gods ! -500 points !

Sesame Credit: China's Creepy New Social Engineering Experiment
https://youtu.be/kcEUVDe38Ec

If we do not abandon cryptos, as they are now, humanity is doomed to be eternally enslaved. Or at least until the power gets cut off.

What will you do when your government offers you their "safe" alternative ?
legendary
Activity: 4354
Merit: 3614
what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
Code:
#> cd /usr/src/linux
#> rm -rf drivers/hid
#> make && make modules_install && make install && reboot


heh yup. humans are the weak link

real pity though about Gerald Davis.. he was one person here I listened to and would read any post here by him. you could count on it being well thought out, informed and best for the BTC community...

...well until the end.

really want to hear his side of this story
donator
Activity: 2772
Merit: 1019
This is disheartening.

I guess trust just doesn't work online. We'll have to find better technological solutions and use them.



Trust over internet doesn't work really well . . . the problem is the human.

I agree. We never should've let the humans onto the internet.

Destroy all keyboards, screens and other HIDs. In fact, let's all just...

Code:
#> cd /usr/src/linux
#> rm -rf drivers/hid
#> make && make modules_install && make install && reboot
legendary
Activity: 1012
Merit: 1000
We on P. Sherman 42 Wallaby Way, Sydney
This is disheartening.

I guess trust just doesn't work online. We'll have to find better technological solutions and use them.



Trust over internet doesn't work really well . . . the problem is the human.
donator
Activity: 2772
Merit: 1019
This is disheartening.

I guess trust just doesn't work online. We'll have to find better technological solutions and use them.
donator
Activity: 668
Merit: 500
This is sad to read.  I really liked Gerald and he seemed a very straight and decent person.  During my dealings with him I never had an issue, it was so smooth.

I would like to hear the other side of the story too.  Though the silence and vanishing probably says it all, unfortunately.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
$600k? Did he promise you a formula to turn mud into gold or something? Hindsight is not going to help now but greed of the investors played a big part. Either you are incredibly wealthy and hundreds of thousands of dollars is a drop in the bucket or you gambled a huge sum on a roll of the dice. This doesn't absolve Gerald of all the guilt but why, after other high level members have pulled similar scale scams, does anyone trust a stranger over the internet? I understand you feel company shares were a tangible asset, but a phenomenal amount of companies go under each year so it really means very little.

I don't want to rub salt in the wound, just don't understand how he duped such huge sums from a few people. 16,000 posts? That's just bits in a database.

There's no evidence he was "guilty" of anything except poor communication.

His company failed to make a profit and was dissolved.  End of story unless there's something I'm missing here.
legendary
Activity: 2688
Merit: 1192
$600k? Did he promise you a formula to turn mud into gold or something? Hindsight is not going to help now but greed of the investors played a big part. Either you are incredibly wealthy and hundreds of thousands of dollars is a drop in the bucket or you gambled a huge sum on a roll of the dice. This doesn't absolve Gerald of all the guilt but why, after other high level members have pulled similar scale scams, does anyone trust a stranger over the internet? I understand you feel company shares were a tangible asset, but a phenomenal amount of companies go under each year so it really means very little.

I don't want to rub salt in the wound, just don't understand how he duped such huge sums from a few people. 16,000 posts? That's just bits in a database.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
I would like to hear the other side of the story.  It sounds like bit simple went bankrupt which is always a possibility.  What exactly did Mr davis lie about?  Also, just because he is a great cryptographer doesn't mean he will be a good businessman.  Still, this news is disturbing.
sr. member
Activity: 346
Merit: 250
Bitsimple... How guilible people are when it comes to bitcoin. No it is not simple, and it never will for it to preserve its fundamentals that enable financial freedom.

People using bitcoin should control their private keys, run a client or a node by themselves to ensure the authenticity of the informations, etc etc.

The rest of "businesses" on the web is likely to end up scams, hacked, etc etc.

You have been Warned too much already.

Sorry for you loss though.

Ps: guess who was right, yet again.

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Gerald Davis is a contemptible worm. He is not merely lying : he is intelligent and informed enough to know he's lying, and does it nevertheless. The fact that he's done it in the first place, the fact that he does not fear public ridicule more than he fears his masters, the fact that he's - provedly - willing to fuck a goat with cameras rolling satisfy that point : no, he's not going to stop. Because the only thing you can do, once you've lost your good name, is to continue whatever you did that lost it. Right ?

http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/#selection-163.58-167.411
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1473
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
With deep regret I have to confirm the OP's scam accusation claims. One of the previously most competent and respected member of this community collected a lot of money from me and other investors, burnt it, and finally ceased communication and disappeared.

DeathAndTaxes: a legendary member and former mainstay of our community
I took notice of DaT late 2011 after I started building my first GPU based rigs and stumbled upon some of his posts in this forum. What stroke me immediately was the quality and completeness of his technical analyses and explanations and the solidity of his argumentation. Over the years while mining technology evolved over FPGA to ASIC, people were losing coins to online wallets over ponzis to exchanges and securities, and while bitcoin itself evolved, it was hard to find any relevant discussion where DaT did not contribute with valuable input.

While I focused myself on the technical side of mining and over time found it very difficult to keep up-to-date even with this narrow sub-topic, DaT always seemed capable of following any development in the bitcoin world. Take a look at his essay supporting block-size increase as an example of his contribution. If you check the forum stats, you will notice that DaT contributed over 16k posts and with that is the 8th most active poster of all times - even half a year after he stopped posting.

For me, Gerald was one of the (if not the) most competent fellow(s) and with that a mainstay for this community - and for sure I know that I have not been the only one with that impression. Ironically, if you search the 'scam accusation' sub-forum, you'll find him involved as mediator or in other trust-centric functions.

But that was then, and the expensive lesson I and the other investors had to learn is that a brilliant and sane mind does not imply it is also a honest one.

The BitSimple fiasco
Somewhere in early January 2014 (during a chat about immersion cooled high-density ASICs) DaT incidentally told me that he was collecting money for a seed funding of his BitSimple exchange service. I did not even thought about it twice but agreed to buy what is left and ended with 390k from a total of 1200k series A shares. With the total sum of $600k collected, my payment was a $195k equivalent in BTC. Iirc, all of the handful investors paid in BTC, which made this seed funding the first processed completely in the BTC domain. Shares were managed by the gust platform.

I was very well aware of the involved risk, but at the same time I felt it is not worse than putting my coins into pre-orders of mining equipment or into doubious bitcoin companies. After being defrauded and betrayed by so many, my hope was straight and simple: if there is one person to remain honest, it must be DaT - if he did not, it was time to leave this community.

What happened thereafter is what OP is reporting. I was very disappointed to realize that Gerald managed to spend the collected funds mostly to pay his employed family-members - even if most of the time the exchange was not operational due to a missing bank account. Even if this might be legal, it is very unethical and puts him and his intentions in a very suspicious light. Still, I was willing to accept this as business failure when the company is dissolved and remaining assets were distributed to investors (which would give us back some 15%). But shortly after the investors agreed to do so, DaT stopped communicating and is not reachable any more for the past 6 months.


This is a sad ending for a bright shining star.

You too, Gerald?

Most things cannot surprise me anymore, but this one really hurts.
We need new ways to encourage long-term honesty in Bitcoin businesses.


I'm honest. Still here after over 4 years. It's a shame to hear what happened with DaT and those who lost money with him.

It's so funny because for a long time I was painted out to be a troll and a scammer and dishonest but I'm likely one of the most honest (brutally alot of time) people on this forum.

Even Gleb is pretty decent guy! Yet he is always labeled a scammer or troll yada yada yada.
vip
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1145
With deep regret I have to confirm the OP's scam accusation claims. One of the previously most competent and respected member of this community collected a lot of money from me and other investors, burnt it, and finally ceased communication and disappeared.

DeathAndTaxes: a legendary member and former mainstay of our community
I took notice of DaT late 2011 after I started building my first GPU based rigs and stumbled upon some of his posts in this forum. What stroke me immediately was the quality and completeness of his technical analyses and explanations and the solidity of his argumentation. Over the years while mining technology evolved over FPGA to ASIC, people were losing coins to online wallets over ponzis to exchanges and securities, and while bitcoin itself evolved, it was hard to find any relevant discussion where DaT did not contribute with valuable input.

While I focused myself on the technical side of mining and over time found it very difficult to keep up-to-date even with this narrow sub-topic, DaT always seemed capable of following any development in the bitcoin world. Take a look at his essay supporting block-size increase as an example of his contribution. If you check the forum stats, you will notice that DaT contributed over 16k posts and with that is the 8th most active poster of all times - even half a year after he stopped posting.

For me, Gerald was one of the (if not the) most competent fellow(s) and with that a mainstay for this community - and for sure I know that I have not been the only one with that impression. Ironically, if you search the 'scam accusation' sub-forum, you'll find him involved as mediator or in other trust-centric functions.

But that was then, and the expensive lesson I and the other investors had to learn is that a brilliant and sane mind does not imply it is also a honest one.

The BitSimple fiasco
Somewhere in early January 2014 (during a chat about immersion cooled high-density ASICs) DaT incidentally told me that he was collecting money for a seed funding of his BitSimple exchange service. I did not even thought about it twice but agreed to buy what is left and ended with 390k from a total of 1200k series A shares. With the total sum of $600k collected, my payment was a $195k equivalent in BTC. Iirc, all of the handful investors paid in BTC, which made this seed funding the first processed completely in the BTC domain. Shares were managed by the gust platform.

I was very well aware of the involved risk, but at the same time I felt it is not worse than putting my coins into pre-orders of mining equipment or into doubious bitcoin companies. After being defrauded and betrayed by so many, my hope was straight and simple: if there is one person to remain honest, it must be DaT - if he did not, it was time to leave this community.

What happened thereafter is what OP is reporting. I was very disappointed to realize that Gerald managed to spend the collected funds mostly to pay his employed family-members - even if most of the time the exchange was not operational due to a missing bank account. Even if this might be legal, it is very unethical and puts him and his intentions in a very suspicious light. Still, I was willing to accept this as business failure when the company is dissolved and remaining assets were distributed to investors (which would give us back some 15%). But shortly after the investors agreed to do so, DaT stopped communicating and is not reachable any more for the past 6 months.


This is a sad ending for a bright shining star.

You too, Gerald?

Most things cannot surprise me anymore, but this one really hurts.
We need new ways to encourage long-term honesty in Bitcoin businesses.

I nominate Leroy "Honestly" Fodor to head the exploratory committee. He has honestly down to a pseudoscience.
legendary
Activity: 2114
Merit: 1040
A Great Time to Start Something!
With deep regret I have to confirm the OP's scam accusation claims. One of the previously most competent and respected member of this community collected a lot of money from me and other investors, burnt it, and finally ceased communication and disappeared.

DeathAndTaxes: a legendary member and former mainstay of our community
I took notice of DaT late 2011 after I started building my first GPU based rigs and stumbled upon some of his posts in this forum. What stroke me immediately was the quality and completeness of his technical analyses and explanations and the solidity of his argumentation. Over the years while mining technology evolved over FPGA to ASIC, people were losing coins to online wallets over ponzis to exchanges and securities, and while bitcoin itself evolved, it was hard to find any relevant discussion where DaT did not contribute with valuable input.

While I focused myself on the technical side of mining and over time found it very difficult to keep up-to-date even with this narrow sub-topic, DaT always seemed capable of following any development in the bitcoin world. Take a look at his essay supporting block-size increase as an example of his contribution. If you check the forum stats, you will notice that DaT contributed over 16k posts and with that is the 8th most active poster of all times - even half a year after he stopped posting.

For me, Gerald was one of the (if not the) most competent fellow(s) and with that a mainstay for this community - and for sure I know that I have not been the only one with that impression. Ironically, if you search the 'scam accusation' sub-forum, you'll find him involved as mediator or in other trust-centric functions.

But that was then, and the expensive lesson I and the other investors had to learn is that a brilliant and sane mind does not imply it is also a honest one.

The BitSimple fiasco
Somewhere in early January 2014 (during a chat about immersion cooled high-density ASICs) DaT incidentally told me that he was collecting money for a seed funding of his BitSimple exchange service. I did not even thought about it twice but agreed to buy what is left and ended with 390k from a total of 1200k series A shares. With the total sum of $600k collected, my payment was a $195k equivalent in BTC. Iirc, all of the handful investors paid in BTC, which made this seed funding the first processed completely in the BTC domain. Shares were managed by the gust platform.

I was very well aware of the involved risk, but at the same time I felt it is not worse than putting my coins into pre-orders of mining equipment or into doubious bitcoin companies. After being defrauded and betrayed by so many, my hope was straight and simple: if there is one person to remain honest, it must be DaT - if he did not, it was time to leave this community.

What happened thereafter is what OP is reporting. I was very disappointed to realize that Gerald managed to spend the collected funds mostly to pay his employed family-members - even if most of the time the exchange was not operational due to a missing bank account. Even if this might be legal, it is very unethical and puts him and his intentions in a very suspicious light. Still, I was willing to accept this as business failure when the company is dissolved and remaining assets were distributed to investors (which would give us back some 15%). But shortly after the investors agreed to do so, DaT stopped communicating and is not reachable any more for the past 6 months.


This is a sad ending for a bright shining star.

You too, Gerald?

Most things cannot surprise me anymore, but this one really hurts.
We need new ways to encourage long-term honesty in Bitcoin businesses.
vip
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1145

https://www.facebook.com/stacie.davis.716

Operating an exchange: check
Wife uses cat for profile on FB: check
Everybody loses: check

Mt Gox? No.

Actually, this would be a very easy dox.
donator
Activity: 919
Merit: 1000
With deep regret I have to confirm the OP's scam accusation claims. One of the previously most competent and respected member of this community collected a lot of money from me and other investors, burnt it, and finally ceased communication and disappeared.

DeathAndTaxes: a legendary member and former mainstay of our community
I took notice of DaT late 2011 after I started building my first GPU based rigs and stumbled upon some of his posts in this forum. What stroke me immediately was the quality and completeness of his technical analyses and explanations and the solidity of his argumentation. Over the years while mining technology evolved over FPGA to ASIC, people were losing coins to online wallets over ponzis to exchanges and securities, and while bitcoin itself evolved, it was hard to find any relevant discussion where DaT did not contribute with valuable input.

While I focused myself on the technical side of mining and over time found it very difficult to keep up-to-date even with this narrow sub-topic, DaT always seemed capable of following any development in the bitcoin world. Take a look at his essay supporting block-size increase as an example of his contribution. If you check the forum stats, you will notice that DaT contributed over 16k posts and with that is the 8th most active poster of all times - even half a year after he stopped posting.

For me, Gerald was one of the (if not the) most competent fellow(s) and with that a mainstay for this community - and for sure I know that I have not been the only one with that impression. Ironically, if you search the 'scam accusation' sub-forum, you'll find him involved as mediator or in other trust-centric functions.

But that was then, and the expensive lesson I and the other investors had to learn is that a brilliant and sane mind does not imply it is also a honest one.

The BitSimple fiasco
Somewhere in early January 2014 (during a chat about immersion cooled high-density ASICs) DaT incidentally told me that he was collecting money for a seed funding of his BitSimple exchange service. I did not even thought about it twice but agreed to buy what is left and ended with 390k from a total of 1200k series A shares. With the total sum of $600k collected, my payment was a $195k equivalent in BTC. Iirc, all of the handful investors paid in BTC, which made this seed funding the first processed completely in the BTC domain. Shares were managed by the gust platform.

I was very well aware of the involved risk, but at the same time I felt it is not worse than putting my coins into pre-orders of mining equipment or into doubious bitcoin companies. After being defrauded and betrayed by so many, my hope was straight and simple: if there is one person to remain honest, it must be DaT - if he did not, it was time to leave this community.

What happened thereafter is what OP is reporting. I was very disappointed to realize that Gerald managed to spend the collected funds mostly to pay his employed family-members - even if most of the time the exchange was not operational due to a missing bank account. Even if this might be legal, it is very unethical and puts him and his intentions in a very suspicious light. Still, I was willing to accept this as business failure when the company is dissolved and remaining assets were distributed to investors (which would give us back some 15%). But shortly after the investors agreed to do so, DaT stopped communicating and is not reachable any more for the past 6 months.


This is a sad ending for a bright shining star.

You too, Gerald?
newbie
Activity: 4
Merit: 0
I need to correct some information made in the OP. According to Gerald Bitsimple lost it's last bank account on August 20th 2014. I suspect this was because it was operating without a MSB permit. Sadly there are reasons why I speculate this to be the case but I do not think I can legally share that information at this time.

I would also like to point out that when Gerald asked for more time on Feb 15th 2015 it was so he could go find a job. He told us he was looking for "defense contract related" work. This kept us silent about things so he could get a decent job and then come back to explain what happened with TC and BS. However despite their being a non compete agreement it now seems he is working for a related operation. If I have the correct information this company is outstanding and a blessing to the community, therefore I feel sad that I kept silent about the issues. I do not want to see this issue harming a great operation.


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