Get 201 merits in 2 months from a farm

Hamza2424

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Quote from: hugeblack on April 03, 2024, 10:21:02 PM

In general, as long as many accounts can rank-up during allocated activity, I do not think a change should be made.

Hmm, Activity is the guardian, even though this is making things difficult for the spammers, but it makes me feel jealous haha maybe it would be making others as well but in a particular case, when I see a post with 26 merits despite its lackluster theme..

Honestly, if it's a meme, that's another story entirely (though you might disagree), still as I've got a lot of merits from memes in my early times but it still makes me feel jealous haha Grin

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SamReomo

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Quote from: Poker Player on April 13, 2024, 11:15:24 PM

This is further evidence that they have been caught and now they are trying to hide it. You're not overthinking anything, it's okay to keep an eye on them and realize this.

I think he/she/they have adopted the strategy of keeping a low profile to try to keep it from going any further.

I think you're right, they will keep a low profile for sometime. When everyone forgets about them then they might start trading merits again with a new strategy. I have also observed that not only the one who was reported stopped sending/receiving merits but also the ones who were trading merits with that guy. Let's see what strategy they will follow when everyone forgets about them.

Poker Player

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Activity: 1372

Merit: 2017

Quote from: SamReomo on April 13, 2024, 10:45:41 PM

I have noticed something strange about that user who was reported in this thread. After the report the user hasn't got any merits, and that's a quite strange thing.

I know that we can't really say that he/she's the one operating all those accounts, but it's strange that he/she hasn't got any merits in last 2 weeks.

Another strange thing is that the OP hasn't sent any merits after 3rd of April and that's the day when OP of this thread has created the thread. There's something shady or I'm overthinking?

This is further evidence that they have been caught and now they are trying to hide it. You're not overthinking anything, it's okay to keep an eye on them and realize this.

I think he/she/they have adopted the strategy of keeping a low profile to try to keep it from going any further.

SamReomo

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I have noticed something strange about that user who was reported in this thread. After the report the user hasn't got any merits, and that's a quite strange thing.

I know that we can't really say that he/she's the one operating all those accounts, but it's strange that he/she hasn't got any merits in last 2 weeks.

Another strange thing is that the OP hasn't sent any merits after 3rd of April and that's the day when OP of this thread has created the thread. There's something shady or I'm overthinking?

jokers10

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Activity: 1974

Merit: 3049

Quote from: BlackBoss_ on April 02, 2024, 08:36:12 PM

Gormicsta beg merit from merit source and distribute it to his farm.

This one is using AI systematically, so IMO the chance that a bigger farm will be found behind this case is huge. When you see someone who doesn't bother to write posts and just uses AI instead that, it is usually so that there are more than one account. And if merit abuse is added... well, I feel that this case smells like a big farm of some cheater.

lovesmayfamilis

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Activity: 2072

Merit: 4265

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The addition of sources of merit is discussed here, when the topic itself shows that users have very skillfully learned to cope on their own. Why add another stream of merit so that the flow turns into a turbulent river of growing either alternatives or friends’ accounts, and maybe sales of these merits?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=3573400

The speed of reading posts is simply Olympic. Grin

Especially jumping from date to date.

Although we declare that the issuance of merit should have freedom of action, perhaps such an overflow needs some kind of warning. Merit comes from somewhere among these users; therefore, there are many sources of merit, not insufficient.

JollyGood

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Quote from: Poker Player on April 02, 2024, 11:59:22 PM

11 merits for that post that is written on page 3 of the speculation section? But if people usually when the thread is on page 3 don't even read the previous comments. I have written posts very similar to that one and I doubt very much that I have received more than a couple of merits, especially if the post is in the middle of page 3.

This is where things get very interesting.

You, I and a huge number of members have written a lot of posts on page three of a thread that has better content than anything in Speculation, yet merits would have been further than ever away. This does not mean by default that some form of skulduggery has taken place as far as what the OP has reported but it does not look good towards the names mentioned.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on April 03, 2024, 01:41:16 AM

But here's the first thing that caught my eye.
https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=bc1qye6z4hvwp272ez3tjgnzw9l359kcaxpf7r4800

It is not the first time and will not be the last time we see multiple users using the same addresses. Those that decide to offer explanations after being caught out will probably drag their mums, dads, uncles, aunties, nephews, cousins, neighbours, colleagues and friends as a defence.

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Quote from: Rikafip on April 04, 2024, 11:35:09 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on April 03, 2024, 02:41:21 PM

Perhaps some of the merit source are inactive or not as active as they used to and that could be another argument for adding another set of merit source to replace those inactive ones.

Merit sources going afk happen all the time. For example one of the Croatian merit sources left forum last September and hasn't been back since.

I think I read somewhere that theymos recently replaced one of the inactive merit sources with a enw one but can't remember (or find) who exactly was replaced

The increase in the number of merit sources may be conditioned by the previous results. Perhaps a more detailed analysis would give a clearer picture of how the merits are distributed and the possible effects of that.

I assume that this statement is not just made up, maybe it is time to tone down the drama surrounding the new merit sources.

Quote from: icopress on March 24, 2024, 05:03:20 PM

At the moment, theymos is not considering anyone for the role of m'sources (I believe this will be the case for at least the next 6 months).

Rikafip

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Activity: 1722

Merit: 5937

Quote from: Igebotz on April 03, 2024, 02:41:21 PM

Perhaps some of the merit source are inactive or not as active as they used to and that could be another argument for adding another set of merit source to replace those inactive ones.

Merit sources going afk happen all the time. For example one of the Croatian merit sources left forum last September and hasn't been back since.

I think I read somewhere that theymos recently replaced one of the inactive merit sources with a enw one but can't remember (or find) who exactly was replaced

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on April 03, 2024, 01:17:42 AM

and Bangladeshi occupy leading positions in the exchange of merit within locales. But as long as you don't find any matches, you can't accuse them of farming.

I agree with that, and I must confess that I have sent merits to some of the locals just because they are my locals and to motivate them to write content in our local threads. Some of their posts deserved merits, but some of these members became abusers later, and I exposed more than ten of them. Since you have sent me a merit in my local thread post, I assume you read that with a translator. I stopped sending merits to them when I understood something bad was happening. They denied that they did anything, but as you know, they teleported to the other forum and did the same abuse there. That forum is centralized, and the admin checks everything manually. The local users in question got a red dot (similar to a negative tag) on that forum, and it was applied by the admin, proving they did the same thing here as well.

In this case, I assume they have a soft feeling for their local community member. It could be someone's alt that is known by most of their locals. This is just an assumption, nothing else.

hugeblack

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Activity: 2688

Merit: 3983

I added $weetne$$ to my ignore list but I don't see a strong connection between these accounts to be Merit farming.
Even if it were, I don't think it's a problem as long as there is no merit source. In the end, their generation of sMerits will be limited, and they will be added to the ignore list of many.

Quote from: Amphenomenon on April 03, 2024, 10:46:35 AM

The number of merits distributed by merit source monthly continues to drop, if you check the DdmrDdmr merit dashboard which is a clear fact that most merit source don't even use much of their allocated Merits because of low quality post and issues like this.

In general, as long as many accounts can rank-up during allocated activity, I do not think a change should be made.

Xiestar

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Activity: 66

Merit: 2

Quote from: knowngunman on April 03, 2024, 07:20:24 AM

Quote from: Xiestar on April 03, 2024, 06:34:50 AM

@Hhampuz is always a victim of this merit circle jerk because he usually accept participants based on the number of earned merit counts alone.

This farmer buddies is having a sweet payday on Hhampuz arms. Not only from this locale but in general. Usual pattern is WO, All merit source thread and local merit thread. There’s a lot of this gang. Check this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=886039. Some user that gave him merit woke up just to send him a merit.

I don't know where you derive your conclusion from but I know is that Hhampuz is not just after high merits but also standard and other requirements necessary. I observe that it is a coincidence where users with high number of merits meet with his requirements and he's satisfied working with them. Take a look at his last slot filled https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63883831 that user was not the one with highest merits but he's picked. Don't make it sound as if Hhampuz is the reason for merit farming here. After checking the comments on your neutral tag, I know the reason why it was there.

There’s a lot of instances and you are one of this user that benefited on this merit circle jerking. You only sighted an exception but most of the time those high merits got accepted. You are one of those user that has a post on middle page yet you receive merit out of nowhere from your gang.

Also the posting pattern of “want something” on bitcoin discussion or beginners & help is your gang favorite post because merit source preferred this dramatic post.

Quote from: Amphenomenon on April 03, 2024, 10:46:35 AM

I don't really think this would actually help because majority of these merits were not distributed by merit source and so it doesn't really solve the problem.

Not distributed by merit source yet most of the smerit sender merit came from merit source by doing same post pattern. Most of this jerker is on Duelbits and Rollbit.

SamReomo

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It's quite strange to see that how a user could get so many merits with such quality posts within two months, but he's not the only user getting such high number of merits. There are other users who despite making normal quality posts get many merits. While there are also those members that make good quality posts but get few merits of the posts. The strange thing that I have observed about this particular member is that someone of his/her merits come from low rank members but that's not enough to consider him/her as a merit farmer.

I have noticed that from last few months even the good members of the forum who make high quality, and full of value posts aren't getting enough merits, but still there are some members of the local boards that are getting good number of merits for their normal quality posts. It's a sMerit senders choice to either send someone a merit or not, and most probably it would be wrong to take any action against that user because the ones who sent him those merits are also active members of the forum.

Igebotz

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Quote from: Rikafip on April 03, 2024, 11:05:14 AM

Quote from: Amphenomenon on April 03, 2024, 10:46:35 AM

The number of merits distributed by merit source monthly continues to drop, if you check the DdmrDdmr merit dashboard which is a clear fact that most merit source don't even use much of their allocated Merits because of low quality post and issues like this.

If merit sources are unable to empty their monthly allocation due not enough quality posts, isn't that another argument for reducing the amount of merit that is generated each month?

Last time theymos did a big merit readjustment was ~July 2021 and since then number of posts dropped by 40-50% while amount of merit shared didn't drop that much, which then brings us to these kind of situations.

Perhaps some of the merit source are inactive or not as active as they used to and that could be another argument for adding another set of merit source to replace those inactive ones. There's always two side to look at for every situation.

Amphenomenon

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Quote from: Rikafip on April 03, 2024, 11:05:14 AM

Quote from: Amphenomenon on April 03, 2024, 10:46:35 AM

The number of merits distributed by merit source monthly continues to drop, if you check the DdmrDdmr merit dashboard which is a clear fact that most merit source don't even use much of their allocated Merits because of low quality post and issues like this.

If merit sources are unable to empty their monthly allocation due not enough quality posts, isn't that another argument for reducing the amount of merit that is generated each month?

Yes it may be reduced base on this reason and not the other. To be frank while others may need this reduction some actually deserves more especially in the LB or maybe what they may need will be a new merit source but I doubt Theymos might consider this especially with issues relating to this going on.

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Last time theymos did a big merit readjustment was ~July 2021 and since then number of posts dropped by 40-50% while amount of merit shared didn't drop that much, which then brings us to these kind of situations.

Oh to be frank I was not aware of this since I joined the forum around September 2022 but became active 2023

Rikafip

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Quote from: Amphenomenon on April 03, 2024, 10:46:35 AM

The number of merits distributed by merit source monthly continues to drop, if you check the DdmrDdmr merit dashboard which is a clear fact that most merit source don't even use much of their allocated Merits because of low quality post and issues like this.

If merit sources are unable to empty their monthly allocation due not enough quality posts, isn't that another argument for reducing the amount of merit that is generated each month?

Last time theymos did a big merit readjustment was ~July 2021 and since then number of posts dropped by 40-50% while amount of merit shared didn't drop that much, which then brings us to these kind of situations.

Amphenomenon

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Quote from: Rikafip on April 03, 2024, 10:22:23 AM

Quote from: Lucius on April 03, 2024, 10:08:12 AM

In that case, the system should be modified to complicate such merit abuse as much as possible

The easiest way possible I can think of is to reduce the overall amount of merit that merit sources get each month.

I didn't think that I will ever say this, but maybe we reach the point where there's too much merit going around for this amount of quality posts, which then makes it very easy for shitposters like the one mentioned in OP to advance through ranks.

I don't really think this would actually help because majority of these merits were not distributed by merit source and so it doesn't really solve the problem.

The number of merits distributed by merit source monthly continues to drop, if you check the DdmrDdmr merit dashboard which is a clear fact that most merit source don't even use much of their allocated Merits because of low quality post and issues like this.

While some of these Merit source may actually just store them others in the WO, just spend it on those who they know won't abuse there and it's quite annoying when I see post about criticism about how spent their sMerits where as most of the merit sources there are still actively distributing merit across each boards to quality posts.

Rikafip

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Quote from: Lucius on April 03, 2024, 10:08:12 AM

In that case, the system should be modified to complicate such merit abuse as much as possible

The easiest way possible I can think of is to reduce the overall amount of merit that merit sources get each month.

I didn't think that I will ever say this, but maybe we reach the point where there's too much merit going around for this amount of quality posts, which then makes it very easy for shitposters like the one mentioned in OP to advance through ranks.

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Quote from: LoyceV on April 03, 2024, 06:08:30 AM

Quote from: Lucius on April 03, 2024, 05:19:10 AM

let's say the maximum number of merits that someone can receive from an individual user should be reduced from 50 to say 30 (or less) in one month. This would not solve the problem, but it would slow down the progress of those trying to outwit the system.

I doubt that's going to change anything. If they have more than 30 sMerit per month, they'll just make their circle of "friends" bigger.

In that case, the system should be modified to complicate such merit abuse as much as possible, but I have no doubt that those who want to do something will always find a way. It will be interesting to see if any of those called will express themselves about their "merits activities", which of course is not an obligation, but silence is sometimes louder than words.

knowngunman

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Quote from: Xiestar on April 03, 2024, 06:34:50 AM

@Hhampuz is always a victim of this merit circle jerk because he usually accept participants based on the number of earned merit counts alone.

This farmer buddies is having a sweet payday on Hhampuz arms. Not only from this locale but in general. Usual pattern is WO, All merit source thread and local merit thread. There’s a lot of this gang. Check this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=886039. Some user that gave him merit woke up just to send him a merit.

I don't know where you derive your conclusion from but I know is that Hhampuz is not just after high merits but also standard and other requirements necessary. I observe that it is a coincidence where users with high number of merits meet with his requirements and he's satisfied working with them. Take a look at his last slot filled https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63883831 that user was not the one with highest merits but he's picked. Don't make it sound as if Hhampuz is the reason for merit farming here. After checking the comments on your neutral tag, I know the reason why it was there.

Quote from: #Greatest on April 03, 2024, 01:44:54 AM

I understand that success always draws attention of other people so it's obvious. Like lovemayfamilies said go check out the Bangladesh, Pakistan local then you would see post that says HI or HELLO receive merits and also have you seen the WO thread.

LOL this is not surprising to me because I have seen campaign applications receiving merits too. The fact remains that some local are being central of attention while where real abuse is taking place are ignored.

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