Topic: Getting out of Poverty (Read 607 times)

In the first three of chapters of the Revelation in the Bible, Jesus is talking to the seven churches in what they considered the province of Asia. In these chapters the word Nicolaitans comes up at least twice. Jesus is totally against the Nicolaitans to the extent that the things they practice are things that He hates.

What are the Nicolaitans? Nobody really knows. But among the descriptions of Nicolaitans, there is one that says that they were people who spread the Word of God for purposes of making money.

I don't necessarily agree with this idea. Why not? Because, written in three of the Gospels, St. Peter asked what there would be for anybody who gave up everything that he owned for the purpose of preaching Jesus salvation to the world. Jesus answered him that those preachers would receive 100 times as much as they gave up, and more.

But Peter didn't give up his wife. Yet at the growth of the Church after the Pentecost, all the apostles received loads of wealth as gifts from the people, via the people listening to the Holy Spirit.

At the same time, there is talk against spreading the Word for money in other places in the Bible New Testament. So, it all has to be the way that the Word is spread. Money might come to those who spread the Word to get money. But those who spread the Word out of sincerity for the Word, will gain even more... and will not lose favor with Jesus.

It is good to have a good Character before the Resources , because no matter what you have earn if you don't possess good Character, it is certainly null and void. And with positive Character that can earn you more respect within the people around you. But the world we live now people don't look at your Character but rather the resources (what you have possess) just like an Adage that say Money stop nonsense, but they should also remember that wealth those not  last longer, but when you have good Character it is priceless and last for a life time and with it you gain resources even from where you dont expect.

If you say being poor is as a result of the parent weakness not to work hard enough to make money that will be enough for the children spending., then that's not complete. Born poor does not have anything to do with poverty, although it will require extra effort to work with people so one can grow to a certain stage where everything will become better. There are so many people that are born poor but they were able to work on themselves to become rich. So I don't think parent is the actual influence to someone's penury lifestyle. Many of the billionaires we are seeing are never born rich, they work their way to firm which had changed their entire lifestyle.

The number of churches being built globally, honestly I think it is even many than the number of Christians on earth  . Although I get the point of "Dying Poor Will be entirely ones fault" But one thing to take to account is what if someone is destined to remain poor .. some people work half of their entire existence but never get rich till they are exhausted and too old to work. So, putting that into consideration! I think that should counter the fact that being born poor is the parent's fault. I just pray and hope all our tireless efforts into making better future for ourselves and loved ones wouldn't be in vain at the end of the day.

The perception of corruption mostly depends on where you live, by the way, so I would need to ask what country are you from and tell you where I live, before we have a conversation on corruption and devious behavior of those in power to continue to accumulate wealth.
In the specific case of developed countries though, it is true we are seeing some quite extraordinary things happening, for example, the current major of New York city being Federally indicted for crimes related to bribery and receive money from foreign governments. He is the first NYC major to be indicted in such a high level and yet, he refused to give up on his position like major of the city.

I am from a developing country which is very high when comes to corruption, so seeing a major who happens to be corrupt is not a surprise, the surprise comes when they get formally indicted and jailed for their crimes, which rarely take place.

You are correct, luck sometimes plays a part in someone getting out of poverty, hard work does not guarantee that one will get out of poverty, we must have a positive attitude and confidence toward what we do. We see this every day, where people have similar incomes and are all hard workers, but just a few can get out of poverty, and that does not suggest that the rest are lazy, at times luck plays its part and we weren't created to escape poverty in the same way, and some are fated to be poor for the rest of their lives.


But as they say, there isn't any quick way to success, and that is exactly what we do today people are eager to escape poverty at all costs. Furthermore, just a few of today's wealthy people build their wealth through good investments and hard effort, the majority are stealing and ruining the way things work. Because they think that's the only way they can increase their wealth, and corrupt behavior is growing every day.

I’ve come across a family who’s linage, every rich wealthy person has to use others destiny to excel through diabolic way. The ones who’s destiny are been use are both hardworking, determined and even when the so called wealthy ones makes available if the resources to them. They can’t make something out of it because they have no future. So they end up in poverty and it looks like nothing works for them. There are a lot of people living like this. This is just another reasons added to the ones you listed out. To why we getting out of poverty isn’t for everyone. It takes the intervention of God to deliver this category of people in this reason I pointed out.

Hard work or getting away with crimes or taking advantage of the system before someone else does it. There is a saying in the popular culture here in this part of the world: "Behind a huge fortune lies a huge crime", which I admit it is rather a cynical way to approach the success of others, but it certainly applies in many cases.
Even to this day, there are huge companies in developed countries, like the United States and even Germany which continuously have their teams of lawyers close to them, since they always try to find legal grey areas to screw the common people over, for the sake of money.
You should investigate a little bit of the shady practices of bank of America, for example, how they try to over-charge their clients for no reason and hopefully not to get caught red-handed by the government.

So, while there are indeed people who built their fortune through hard work and good investments, there are others who abused the system to collectively steal and got away with it.

Niceness does not encourage people, if through hard work a person can lead a nice life then that is the biggest encourager.  Progress in life requires hard work, so a person born in a rich family cannot become rich.  Because he needs hard work, only hard work leads to the top of success.

I see it as cool, they can already control such a big machine and they can already earn money like that, but the farm in my country is different, it is far from a perfect machine to run on deep bases, the technology in my country is less advanced in the agricultural industry that the farmer's children also imitate their parents who still farm manually with limited labor. I don't think farming families there are poor, in fact they earn a decent living because there agricultural products should be quite expensive and able to support a more decent life.

You notice that those who have lived happy lives in the past will no doubt have sad times in the present or in the future. So people are never born miserable, as you might imagine in the current situation in Palestine.  Although today's children are hungry and thirsty, they are not born miserable, they are currently victims of the situation.  So their future will surely benefit if Palestine can live in stale peace.

If he doesn't try and can't become rich, his children will also find ways to blame him just like he blames his parents. As parents, no one wants their children to live in misery, and things will get worse if we don't understand our parents and blame them. He will soon understand and feel what his parents are going through when he has children.

I see people like to discuss how to get rich and like to give advice to others on how to get rich but we have to admit that getting out of poverty and becoming rich is not as easy as we think, and i guess none of us are getting rich. So instead of blaming our parents, we should thank them for sacrificing their whole life to raise us and try their best to get out of poverty before criticizing or teaching someone how to get rich.

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I have learnt about one thing in life, to get out of poverty of never easy, but going into it is what can easily come without us having to invite it, poverty is not what is permanent, and to say it all, this is something that has to be done with our personal determination being made, if we are set to get out of been poor, then we are going to triumph in such pursuit because we are set for it and will not condole anything challenges that may want to send us back to where we came from.

Getting out of poverty is not really easy expecially for those that came from a very poor background but it is possible but usually difficult to still get out of poverty if hard work and determination is involved.

There are things that usually make people to still remain in there poor state one of it is procastination the act of not doing it now but later and still not do later but the next day just like that that is how you are missing out opportunity of doing something better that will generate you income on daily basis.

Somany that could have got out of poverty who has good idea of doing something profitable but has no body to support them financially, and sometimes getting out of poverty required grace and luck if not it is not always easy getting of poverty expecially for those who don't have supporters.

That is sad and to be honest, many sees it this way. While I believe in faith and I have my personal devotion, there really are those people that are taking advantage of others being naive and tells that they're the ones that are sent from the above. It's happening in every parts of the world and that's how they're making themselves rich. I'm not going to say any name at all but if someone out there searches them out, a lot will pop out of their results and they can start from one until all the results of it. As they say this with the name, if someone wants to be rich, they can start their own religion.

Before I say anything on this first of all I'd like to think that the character you are referring to could be;
Self-discipline
Hard work
Determination and
Resilience

Some people fall to be successful even with the right resources because they lack the character of handling a certain amount of resource, let's me go with "money" as the resource here. I've seen a lot of people misuse their funds/resource and end up being poor and broke at the end now here's where self-discipline comes in as the character.

From my observation and experiences so far I think that resources and character are both needed and equally important because resources without character could make anyone squander them due to lack of self-discipline and determination, and character without resources could lead to frustration. I'd say that it's the interplay between resources and character that defines our journey to a successful life, however, character takes the lead role because it shapes our perspective and fuels our passion to greatness.

The church investment is a growing thing globally, a young man will know a couple of pages from a bible and few months later he claims the Almighty himself calls him.

Thank you for that question because that was what I forgot to ask the Op earlier because if he believes that his parents was the reason why he is poor he also should have try and become rich because during the time his parents was young I believe that they had nobody to depend on financially because they were struggling on there own, so is very wrong for him to have that mindset against his parents, perhaps I don't think he is married already if not he would have understand and besides there is nothing wrong for him to work hard and make sure that his children never go through any form of poverty as he claims to be.

It would be stereotypical to assume all rich people have the same bitter character and they are cold-hearted. Though, I must agree with you when you point out having the correct personality would not be enough for someone to get out of poverty in most of the developing countries in this planet. One as member of society also needs things like education and starting capital, a job and saving before start investing on whatever we believe to be necessary for us to improve our status and life quality.
Personality and good character helps but they are not all one needs to advance forwards success.

Also, there are some studies which find the new-rich does not stay rich much time, since they dont know how to retain their capital and only focus on spending, therefore so many lottery winners end up bankrupt..