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August 25, 2018, 10:35:36 AM
#34
@Juggy777, boxing now is treated like business. They need a lot of drama to sell the fights. Gone are the days were there are less spectacle but more actions in the ring. However, I feel that both of this two fighters really hates each other, specially after Canelo make a lot of excuses when he has caught and labelled as dirty fighter by GGG. I would love to see Canelo lying on the floor as well, so that GGG can finally shut his mouth. There will be no adjustments, they will go at each other just like the first fight and hope that this time it won't go to the judges' scorecard.
Expect another drama in this fight. There are no more good opponents for these two fighters but themselves. I'll wait and watch
 for GGG vs Canelo III.  Smiley

I think there's some worthy opponents at Middleweight, as far as I can remember GGG is mandated to fight Derevyanchenko, after the original 2nd fight was cancelled due to Canelo, caught with banned substances.however, he chooses to go with Vanes because its makes more sense financially.

So we couldn't blame them and now that the rematch was fight, the rest of the guys in the Middleweight should wait for their turn to fight either one of them, specially GGG.
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August 24, 2018, 03:21:50 PM
#33
@Juggy777, boxing now is treated like business. They need a lot of drama to sell the fights. Gone are the days were there are less spectacle but more actions in the ring. However, I feel that both of this two fighters really hates each other, specially after Canelo make a lot of excuses when he has caught and labelled as dirty fighter by GGG. I would love to see Canelo lying on the floor as well, so that GGG can finally shut his mouth. There will be no adjustments, they will go at each other just like the first fight and hope that this time it won't go to the judges' scorecard.
Expect another drama in this fight. There are no more good opponents for these two fighters but themselves. I'll wait and watch
 for GGG vs Canelo III.  Smiley

Of course, the drama has been started since Canelo was "caught" with that tainted meat and they have been trading verbal jabs even before the signing of the contract. Even the trainers of both side are also engaging in a word war. LOL. They no longer respect its other as compare to the first fight so its going to be a war inside the ring. Probably there will be a third match but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves here, just watch and enjoy the rematch for now.

What make this fight more exciting is that its going to be Golovkin's 20 fight defense as a Middleweight. If he will the win his fight against Canelo, he will broke Bernard Hopkins 20 consecutive defenses of the IBF middleweight title. So its going to be a sweet victory for Golovkin as he will re-write the history again.
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August 23, 2018, 08:39:55 AM
#32
@Juggy777, boxing now is treated like business. They need a lot of drama to sell the fights. Gone are the days were there are less spectacle but more actions in the ring. However, I feel that both of this two fighters really hates each other, specially after Canelo make a lot of excuses when he has caught and labelled as dirty fighter by GGG. I would love to see Canelo lying on the floor as well, so that GGG can finally shut his mouth. There will be no adjustments, they will go at each other just like the first fight and hope that this time it won't go to the judges' scorecard.
Expect another drama in this fight. There are no more good opponents for these two fighters but themselves. I'll wait and watch
 for GGG vs Canelo III.  Smiley

Of course, the drama has been started since Canelo was "caught" with that tainted meat and they have been trading verbal jabs even before the signing of the contract. Even the trainers of both side are also engaging in a word war. LOL. They no longer respect its other as compare to the first fight so its going to be a war inside the ring. Probably there will be a third match but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves here, just watch and enjoy the rematch for now.
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August 23, 2018, 05:30:27 AM
#31
@Juggy777, boxing now is treated like business. They need a lot of drama to sell the fights. Gone are the days were there are less spectacle but more actions in the ring. However, I feel that both of this two fighters really hates each other, specially after Canelo make a lot of excuses when he has caught and labelled as dirty fighter by GGG. I would love to see Canelo lying on the floor as well, so that GGG can finally shut his mouth. There will be no adjustments, they will go at each other just like the first fight and hope that this time it won't go to the judges' scorecard.
Expect another drama in this fight. There are no more good opponents for these two fighters but themselves. I'll wait and watch
 for GGG vs Canelo III.  Smiley
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August 22, 2018, 03:42:05 PM
#30
Judges has been selected by NSAC already.

[1] Glenn Feldman
[2] Dave Moretti
[3] Steve Weisfeld

And referee to officiate: Benjy Esteves Jr.

I do hope that the judges this time won't pull a Adelaide Byrd sort of scoring.  Grin

And for the undercard:

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Junior middleweight world titlist Jaime Munguia, former middleweight world titleholder David Lemieux and former pound-for-pound king and four-division world champion Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez will all be in action on the HBO PPV telecast (8 p.m. ET), Golden Boy Promotions announced Monday.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/24429019/jaime-munguia-david-lemieux-roman-gonzalez-set-gennady-golovkin-canelo-alvarez-undercard
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August 17, 2018, 01:41:38 PM
#29
Looks like both Golovkin and Canelo want to settle this with a knockout, though I doubt either of them will be able to accomplish it given the fact that neither have ever been KO'd and they had a pretty fast pace even in their last fight.

They both have a iron-chin, it was tested during their last fight and either one of them didn't flinched. It would be really a good ending if Saul Alvarez, gets KD or KO. But I doubt that it will happen. Who ever loses this much should not make any excuses, unless we witness another robbery.

I'm gonna have to go for GGG by MD or UD.

I'm also going on GGG. For me he really should have won the first fight. He was the aggressor and Saul rally in the last 3 rounds is not enough to give him a SP. UD for GGG.

True that, they both took some heavy blows in their first bout, and kept coming forward. If anybody is going to get KO'd it's going to be Saul since GGG has the better knockout record, though I'd say that is a very unlikely outcome. I think it's gonna be a long, gruesome slugfest just like the first one. I really think if they want a KO, they need to come out swinging in the first round, which is't gonna happen.

Yep, would rather see a slugfest though. Saul Alvarez wants to counter during the first fight that's why Golovkin took the early rounds from some of the judges. But I do hope that they will go toe-to-toe in the first half and see who got the better chin. I don't like the feeling out game that Saul shows us, maybe he is still testing Golovkin power.

He says he was not affected by it and doesn't feel anything. Might be some small adjustments, but as boxing fans we want to see a slugfest and see who is the last man standing.
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August 17, 2018, 12:18:35 PM
#28
Looks like both Golovkin and Canelo want to settle this with a knockout, though I doubt either of them will be able to accomplish it given the fact that neither have ever been KO'd and they had a pretty fast pace even in their last fight.

They both have a iron-chin, it was tested during their last fight and either one of them didn't flinched. It would be really a good ending if Saul Alvarez, gets KD or KO. But I doubt that it will happen. Who ever loses this much should not make any excuses, unless we witness another robbery.

I'm gonna have to go for GGG by MD or UD.

I'm also going on GGG. For me he really should have won the first fight. He was the aggressor and Saul rally in the last 3 rounds is not enough to give him a SP. UD for GGG.

True that, they both took some heavy blows in their first bout, and kept coming forward. If anybody is going to get KO'd it's going to be Saul since GGG has the better knockout record, though I'd say that is a very unlikely outcome. I think it's gonna be a long, gruesome slugfest just like the first one. I really think if they want a KO, they need to come out swinging in the first round, which is't gonna happen.
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August 17, 2018, 10:46:48 AM
#27
The first match was for GGG, but this time I believe Canelo will win. The first was a fixed match where GGG won, but boxing has become  a game of money and Canelo's loss would be a great loss of money. This time they would give the win to Canelo and this way the best boxer of Golden boy promotions will win and make everyone lots of money. Well, in terms of money if I think then Canelo is the winner because GGG does not have that support and following in USA.

Hmmm. Very interesting view. Do you have any proof that the first one was fixed and that the judge who scored the fight on Canelo (118–110) was part of a game fixed and might be on Golden Boy's payroll? I understand that today's boxing is more of a business but I don't think that we have game fix match with the kind of levels this fighter is. Perhaps it was really more of getting a bad judge, to score this highly anticipated match. Adelaide Byrd has a lot of history of incompetency in scoring fights, I don't know why the Nevada Athletic Commission still appointed her to be the judge in the first fight.
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August 17, 2018, 04:21:33 AM
#26
Looks like both Golovkin and Canelo want to settle this with a knockout, though I doubt either of them will be able to accomplish it given the fact that neither have ever been KO'd and they had a pretty fast pace even in their last fight.

They both have a iron-chin, it was tested during their last fight and either one of them didn't flinched. It would be really a good ending if Saul Alvarez, gets KD or KO. But I doubt that it will happen. Who ever loses this much should not make any excuses, unless we witness another robbery.

I'm gonna have to go for GGG by MD or UD.

I'm also going on GGG. For me he really should have won the first fight. He was the aggressor and Saul rally in the last 3 rounds is not enough to give him a SP. UD for GGG.
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August 16, 2018, 06:17:02 PM
#25
Looks like both Golovkin and Canelo want to settle this with a knockout, though I doubt either of them will be able to accomplish it given the fact that neither have ever been KO'd and they had a pretty fast pace even in their last fight.

I'm gonna have to go for GGG by MD or UD.
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August 16, 2018, 01:49:50 PM
#24
@Juggy777, boxing now is treated like business. They need a lot of drama to sell the fights. Gone are the days were there are less spectacle but more actions in the ring. However, I feel that both of this two fighters really hates each other, specially after Canelo make a lot of excuses when he has caught and labelled as dirty fighter by GGG. I would love to see Canelo lying on the floor as well, so that GGG can finally shut his mouth. There will be no adjustments, they will go at each other just like the first fight and hope that this time it won't go to the judges' scorecard.
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August 16, 2018, 12:22:31 PM
#23
Just one month from now, we will see another anticipated rematch in boxing. Both of them are throwing jabs and really talking smack. However, its really going to be interesting how Canelo, (without the tainted meat in his system Grin) can KO GGG,

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“From the beginning, I will work him to look for that KO,” Alvarez said Wednesday through a translator on a conference call. “That’s what I’ll be doing from the very first round. That’s why I’m training and I’m mentally prepared to do that. Obviously, that’s the way I want this fight to end, by knockout, and for them to raise my hand after that knockout victory.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-ill-look-ko-golovkin-from-very-first-round-rematch--130926

These days boxing looks more like opera or a scene pulled out from a Hollywood movie, current boxers are more interested in glamour, spot light rather the sport. They're just monetising this beautiful sport, with unnecessary drama, but for this particular match it's really heating it up, I hope it shows up in the ring.

 Canelo deserves to loose and when he does I'm sure he'll blame it on the tainted meat saga, there is no doubt in my mind that golovkin is a better and experienced boxer, and he'll definitely ko Canelo. I hope we have a dream finish of Canelo laying flat in the ring, after all the hype, this match better not have hugs like pacq and may match.
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August 16, 2018, 12:57:53 AM
#22
Just one month from now, we will see another anticipated rematch in boxing. Both of them are throwing jabs and really talking smack. However, its really going to be interesting how Canelo, (without the tainted meat in his system Grin) can KO GGG,

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“From the beginning, I will work him to look for that KO,” Alvarez said Wednesday through a translator on a conference call. “That’s what I’ll be doing from the very first round. That’s why I’m training and I’m mentally prepared to do that. Obviously, that’s the way I want this fight to end, by knockout, and for them to raise my hand after that knockout victory.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-ill-look-ko-golovkin-from-very-first-round-rematch--130926
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June 25, 2018, 09:49:37 PM
#21
Let's just hope that we'll see a clear knockout this time, to see who really is the strongest.
Also, this should better not go with the level of running/hugging as with the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight. People are already tired in watching a romance show inside the boxing ring   Roll Eyes.

What do you guys think though about PPV numbers this time? The last fight draw 1.3 M PPV, which is one of the top ten in boxing's history. Do you think it can do more than the last fight of even gets close to the Pacquiao-Mayweather PPV records?

I guess it doesn't stand a chance to reach the same ppv numbers with the Pacquiao - Mayweather.
Honestly, I don't feel the same thrill on this upcoming fight when compared to the so called "Fight of the Century".

Ok fair enough.  Might not be as close as to May-Pac PPV numbers but I'm assuming that it can go above its previous PPV because each one of them has something to prove. Most of us saw the GGG really won the fight so he might used a different strategy but Alvarez, with all the steroids allegations will want to prove that he is clean. But I don't think that there will be a "bro-mance"  Grin inside the ring. They now started to hate each other, so someone will really get hurt during this fight.

I wouldn't be surprise if it tops 1.5 PPV. Yes you are correct, there have been a lot of media trash talks going on and even Oscar Dela Hoya (promoting Canelo) says that the whole Mexico wanted Canelo to knock out and shut the mouth of Golovkin. lol. Now that is promotion to that highest level. I will still love to see Golovkin beat Canelo in fashion, maybe a body shot, Canelo falling on his knees and can't get up.
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June 25, 2018, 09:34:08 PM
#20
Let's just hope that we'll see a clear knockout this time, to see who really is the strongest.
Also, this should better not go with the level of running/hugging as with the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight. People are already tired in watching a romance show inside the boxing ring   Roll Eyes.

What do you guys think though about PPV numbers this time? The last fight draw 1.3 M PPV, which is one of the top ten in boxing's history. Do you think it can do more than the last fight of even gets close to the Pacquiao-Mayweather PPV records?

I guess it doesn't stand a chance to reach the same ppv numbers with the Pacquiao - Mayweather.
Honestly, I don't feel the same thrill on this upcoming fight when compared to the so called "Fight of the Century".

Ok fair enough.  Might not be as close as to May-Pac PPV numbers but I'm assuming that it can go above its previous PPV because each one of them has something to prove. Most of us saw the GGG really won the fight so he might used a different strategy but Alvarez, with all the steroids allegations will want to prove that he is clean. But I don't think that there will be a "bro-mance"  Grin inside the ring. They now started to hate each other, so someone will really get hurt during this fight.
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June 25, 2018, 06:38:49 PM
#19
Let's just hope that we'll see a clear knockout this time, to see who really is the strongest.
Also, this should better not go with the level of running/hugging as with the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight. People are already tired in watching a romance show inside the boxing ring   Roll Eyes.

What do you guys think though about PPV numbers this time? The last fight draw 1.3 M PPV, which is one of the top ten in boxing's history. Do you think it can do more than the last fight of even gets close to the Pacquiao-Mayweather PPV records?

I guess it doesn't stand a chance to reach the same ppv numbers with the Pacquiao - Mayweather.
Honestly, I don't feel the same thrill on this upcoming fight when compared to the so called "Fight of the Century".
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June 24, 2018, 05:50:46 PM
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GGG every day of the week for me, the last fight decision was bull shit, must have been rigged. GGG will put it right this time with a victory.
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June 24, 2018, 05:00:33 PM
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What do you guys think though about PPV numbers this time? The last fight draw 1.3 M PPV, which is one of the top ten in boxing's history. Do you think it can do more than the last fight of even gets close to the Pacquiao-Mayweather PPV records?

I really don't think that they can go above 2 million per-pay-view in their second fight but I have to say that they can exceed their first fight. Again, even though that GGG is destroying fighters, he hasn't had established himself as a big superstar in the US and its been like 4-5 years before he appear in the US, casual fans doesn't know him that much, to say the least. I'm been seeing a lot of media trash talk lately about how they have each other that may added another drama here, but my best estimate is that they can get around 1.3-1.5 pay-per-view in their rubber match.
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June 21, 2018, 10:27:17 PM
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What do you guys think though about PPV numbers this time? The last fight draw 1.3 M PPV, which is one of the top ten in boxing's history. Do you think it can do more than the last fight of even gets close to the Pacquiao-Mayweather PPV records?
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June 19, 2018, 04:54:09 AM
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Ok let me try to get it straight.

In the first fight, Saul Alvarez took the lionshare's of the purse. Splitting 70-30 on his favor. Golovkin then retains all his belt as a result. It ended up in a draw and both verbally agreed to a rematch but then time is 65-35, which is fair in my opinion. However, Saul Alvarez was caught with steroids on his system, causing the May fight cancelled. Golovkin then beat Vanes and broke Bernard Hopkins of 18 successful defense of the Middleweight crown. Now here's my take.

Canelo has more bargaining power now since (a) Saul Alvarez was suspended because of illegal substance on his system (b) He broke Hopkins record (c) he is the undisputed champion. So I think he has all the rights to at least a 50-50 split and eventhough he and his team verbally agreed on the 65-35 at the time because the result of the VADA wasn't well known yet.

But as mentioned, dela Hoya shouldered the remaining 2.5%, 57.5-42.5, but Golovkin rejected. So at the last minute, and to salvage the fight, he had to cough out that remaining 2.5% so that Golovkin will get 45%.

And as everyone who follow the first fight, it was a robbery indeed and I hope Golovkin winning. He did the damage early and I don't think that the championship was enough for Alvarez to rally to at least make it a draw.

I think you mean that Golovkin has more bargaining power now, Canelo is the nickname of Saul Alvarez. I don't think GGG's destruction of Vanes has much to do with this position for the next fight. Also, where did you read that Canelo took the major share of the first purse? Doesn't seem realistic considering GGG was the A side?

Yes, I stand corrected, it should be Golovkin has more bargaining power now. Saul Alvarez is the A side during the first fight because the has lot of fanbased And Golovkin hasn't have that drawing power yet in the US soil. While Alvarez has established himself as boxing cash cow.

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Oscar De La Hoya, Alvarez’s promoter, said Tuesday that a 57.5-42.5 split was his final offer and gave Golovkin a deadline of noon PT Wednesday to accept it. A determined Golovkin, who accepted a 70-30 split for their first fight last September 16 and a 65-35 split when their rematch initially was scheduled for May 5, was rewarded for holding out for that final 2.5 percent.

https://www.boxingscene.com/loeffler-50-50-fair-ggg-gave-canelo-5-percent-his-ego--129241
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