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November 14, 2012, 08:49:56 PM
#30
Meh.  Have fun with that.  Smiley  What you're describing is is something that already exists in a more efficient form and is used all over the place in desert climates.  Water cooled intakes = an evaporative cooler.  If you use ice with it (like in the original post), you're just blending air conditioning with an evaporative cooler (and still takes a similar amount of power as AC).

I'm currently cooling 33,000 watts of GPUs while using 602 watts or less to cool them (evaporative coolers in the spring/summer, fans in the fall/winter).  It doesn't get much more efficient than that.

...in other words, what was used in the original post is just "reinventing the wheel".  It's a cheap way to make a horribly inefficient evaporative cooler and would work "in a pinch", but it wouldn't work very well for removing a lot of heat effectively.
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November 14, 2012, 08:40:16 AM
#29
No problem.. I can be mr grumpy pants sometimes.  Grin

I will show you guys after I get it set up. I will certainly have a cooling system like no one on here has probably used before, so I understand you guys doubting its capabilities. I'll be cooling about 15000 watts by the time the project is completed, using water cooled air intakes and a couple exhaust fans to cool everything (hopefully less than 750 watts of ventilation/cooling if things go as planned.)

I'm still working out the specifics and don't even have all the necessary hardware, I'm probably about a month out from finishing the project. Hoping to reach about 25 Gh for all the hardware, which will be mining alt coins (LTC, etc).

This + my day job = busy month!
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November 13, 2012, 09:33:20 PM
#28
Kinda plows your ROI out the window if your just putting it back into power bills.

You're like the 3rd person to say something like that so I suppose I'll respond.

If you'd read the thread, you'd notice that I'm in the process of figuring out my ventilation and cutting down on A/C use....

Thanks for the advice though lol.



Hey I'm not knockin your ideas I was just responding to what superfastkyle was saying
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November 13, 2012, 11:19:50 AM
#27
Kinda plows your ROI out the window if your just putting it back into power bills.

You're like the 3rd person to say something like that so I suppose I'll respond.

If you'd read the thread, you'd notice that I'm in the process of figuring out my ventilation and cutting down on A/C use....

Thanks for the advice though lol.
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November 12, 2012, 07:13:57 PM
#26
Nice, I need one of these. Perhaps cards like the 7970 can benefit from these, cooler environments call for lower power consumption.

What?  No.  Ugh.  You completely missed the point.  Smiley  It's horribly inefficient and costs more than an AC unit in power.

Ooo XD Then I'll just stick with AC Units or wait for the cool air to come in Cheesy
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November 12, 2012, 05:38:27 PM
#25
well good luck with that then I wouldn't want the extra strain on mine or that high of an electric bill. All I know is from my experience 4000 watts plus another 60 or so amps for a 2 ton central a/c is about $550 a month here and that's at $0.08/kwh

4" exhaust? no way are you crazy? I used 4 walmart box fans, two windows open (one intake one exhaust to cool a little over 4000 watts of gpu's. for 5500 watts you would probably need a 1/8 hp 24" exhaust fan at least, with active cooling you would be looking at a 20000 btu a/c

I'm pretty sure I can make it work. It is running 24x7 stable right now with no exhaust and only a few house fans blowing air over them. The central A/C is doing most of the work.

The only reason I'm adding cooling is so that I can over clock & take a little bit of the load off the central A/C which is running almost 24/7. Temps are getting up to 75-80 though and I don't want to OC unless I can keep temps <75


Kinda plows your ROI out the window if your just putting it back into power bills.
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November 11, 2012, 02:52:29 AM
#24
well good luck with that then I wouldn't want the extra strain on mine or that high of an electric bill. All I know is from my experience 4000 watts plus another 60 or so amps for a 2 ton central a/c is about $550 a month here and that's at $0.08/kwh

4" exhaust? no way are you crazy? I used 4 walmart box fans, two windows open (one intake one exhaust to cool a little over 4000 watts of gpu's. for 5500 watts you would probably need a 1/8 hp 24" exhaust fan at least, with active cooling you would be looking at a 20000 btu a/c

I'm pretty sure I can make it work. It is running 24x7 stable right now with no exhaust and only a few house fans blowing air over them. The central A/C is doing most of the work.

The only reason I'm adding cooling is so that I can over clock & take a little bit of the load off the central A/C which is running almost 24/7. Temps are getting up to 75-80 though and I don't want to OC unless I can keep temps <75
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November 11, 2012, 01:58:53 AM
#23
4" exhaust? no way are you crazy? I used 4 walmart box fans, two windows open (one intake one exhaust to cool a little over 4000 watts of gpu's. for 5500 watts you would probably need a 1/8 hp 24" exhaust fan at least, with active cooling you would be looking at a 20000 btu a/c

I'm pretty sure I can make it work. It is running 24x7 stable right now with no exhaust and only a few house fans blowing air over them. The central A/C is doing most of the work.

The only reason I'm adding cooling is so that I can over clock & take a little bit of the load off the central A/C which is running almost 24/7. Temps are getting up to 75-80 though and I don't want to OC unless I can keep temps <75
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November 11, 2012, 01:37:04 AM
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4" exhaust? no way are you crazy? I used 4 walmart box fans, two windows open (one intake one exhaust to cool a little over 4000 watts of gpu's. for 5500 watts you would probably need a 1/8 hp 24" exhaust fan at least, with active cooling you would be looking at a 20000 btu a/c

Well, I'm using a dryer circuit to power everything. So, I have a 4" dryer exhaust right there that would be really handy to use.

It's a rental property, so I'd rather not make any permanent modifications, and there aren't any windows near the the laundry area to put a bigger exhaust fan in.

I'm thinking a 4" exhaust is too little for ~5500 of power in a small enclosed space without something else to help with the temperatures.

I already have the water chiller laying around, so I'm leaning towards a water cooled intake rather than putting in an A/C unit.

Plus, water cooling is more efficient than an A/C, so I technically I will be able to cool more with a smaller power bill.
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November 10, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
#21
Nice, I need one of these. Perhaps cards like the 7970 can benefit from these, cooler environments call for lower power consumption.

What?  No.  Ugh.  You completely missed the point.  Smiley  It's horribly inefficient and costs more than an AC unit in power.

Hey, I didn't write that!  Cheesy
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November 10, 2012, 08:21:57 PM
#20
Nice, I need one of these. Perhaps cards like the 7970 can benefit from these, cooler environments call for lower power consumption.

What?  No.  Ugh.  You completely missed the point.  Smiley  It's horribly inefficient and costs more than an AC unit in power.
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November 10, 2012, 08:10:43 PM
#19
the ice taken out of the fridge needs to be produced

^this...   and it costs more than 45 watts.

Nice, I need one of these. Perhaps cards like the 7970 can benefit from these, cooler environments call for lower power consumption.
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November 10, 2012, 08:04:20 PM
#18
the ice taken out of the fridge needs to be produced

^this...   and it costs more than 45 watts.
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November 10, 2012, 06:57:59 PM
#17
This is beyond ridiculous, the ice taken out of the fridge needs to be produced and the heat exchanger in it convects the heat into the room.  This is even a net loss in cooling.

Seriously a used AC costs 50bucks on ebay, yes these things consume 2400W, but for a reason.
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November 10, 2012, 06:46:17 PM
#16
This seems unnecessarily complex. The surface of the copper pipe exposed to the air is so small that your setup is probably LESS efficient than a fan pointing down to blow air directly on a tray filled with ice water. And this would be a lot simpler to "set up" and less expensive.

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November 10, 2012, 05:10:02 PM
#15
This is one of the simple tutorial 7 watt pump power + Fan power 60-150 watt.

Custom made AC unit to cool your systems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF0J8OvDSmM&feature=related

Wouldn't the copper tubing sweat? I'd be scared to get that too close to my rigs.

The chance of the tubing sweating and the fan blowing water and shorting something seems likely.

Or am I wrong?

I ask because this setup would be really perfect for me if it wouldn't sweat. I have a 1/2 HP water chiller sitting around not being used, so I could set up maybe 3 or 4 of these and use the chiller to cool the water.  Cool

Yes the copper tubing would sweat. Open up your home A/C and look at the cooling unit you'll see a water troff and a pipe going outside for the water to drain.
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November 10, 2012, 11:34:22 AM
#14
Not only that but your freezer is the same sort of idea as an A/C unit, it cools the air inside it. So your taking heat from the air and using a fan to transfer it to water, then putting water in a freezer to transfer heat back to the air and freezing the water. All the while you have to manually move ice/water around. It just seems anA/C unit would be more efficient... Or a water chiller as you say you have.

I agree, if I was building from scratch I would go with an A/C. Water chillers are expensive.

EDIT- A pool would be ideal for this, you could dissipate a lot of heat especially if you have a pool in a cold climate! You would have the biggest hot tub in town!!!  Cool
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November 10, 2012, 11:31:50 AM
#13
Cool, cheap idea but how long does the ice last? And how much energy/time do you use to make it? It may be more efficient just to get a window A/C unit.

That's the thing... as this thing runs, the heat in the air is transferred into the water.

So, after the water warms to the original temperature of the room, it would not cool the air at all.

How long it would take to heat up would depend on the size of the reservoir (it would be ideal to use something much larger than a 5 gallon bucket... think 100+ gallons), whether you use ice or not, and the amount of heat you are trying to dissipate.

I guess it would work OK for smaller setups, but switching out buckets of water and ice often seems a little exhaustive.

The only reason why I'm interested in this solution is that I have ~$1000 water chiller that is just laying around that would be perfect for this.

Not only that but your freezer is the same sort of idea as an A/C unit, it cools the air inside it. So your taking heat from the air and using a fan to transfer it to water, then putting water in a freezer to transfer heat back to the air and freezing the water. All the while you have to manually move ice/water around. It just seems anA/C unit would be more efficient... Or a water chiller as you say you have.
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November 10, 2012, 11:23:29 AM
#12
Cool, cheap idea but how long does the ice last? And how much energy/time do you use to make it? It may be more efficient just to get a window A/C unit.

That's the thing... as it runs, the heat in the air is transferred into the water. So, after the water warms to the original temperature of the room, it would not cool the air at all.

How long it would take to heat up would depend on the size of the reservoir (it would be ideal to use something much larger than a 5 gallon bucket... think 100+ gallons), whether you use ice or not, and the amount of heat you are trying to dissipate.

I guess it would work OK for smaller setups, but switching out buckets of water and ice often seems a little exhaustive.

The only reason why I'm interested in this solution is that I have ~$1000 water chiller that is just laying around that would be perfect for this.
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November 10, 2012, 11:19:32 AM
#11
Well, I'm using a dryer circuit to power everything. So, I have a 4" dryer exhaust right there that would be really handy to use.

It's a rental property, so I'd rather not make any permanent modifications, and there aren't any windows near the the laundry area to put a bigger exhaust fan in.

I'm thinking a 4" exhaust is too little for ~5500 of power in a small enclosed space without something else to help with the temperatures.

I already have the water chiller laying around, so I'm leaning towards a water cooled intake rather than putting in an A/C unit.

Plus, water cooling is more efficient than an A/C, so I technically I will be able to cool more with a smaller power bill.
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