Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day o_O

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Quote from: Fatpony on May 08, 2014, 11:45:36 AM

Again you are confused about two things. Computer requires a MAN to operate it. Robot doesn't. How can a man replace robot if robot is faster, doesnt get tired, cost less to operate ( not initial cost ), doesnt take sick leave.... You can run one robot 24/7/365. Human can't. So Robot = more profit, Human = less.

It is you my friend, who is confused. Robots can't operate on their own. They need human presence to monitor them. (There were attempts to give them artificial intelligence, but despite the massive hype these attempts failed miserably). Anyway, we are talking about 3D printers here..... Just check the video and you'll see the person who is controlling it.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 08, 2014, 08:47:49 AM

Quote from: Fatpony on May 08, 2014, 07:33:47 AM

So you are qualified to do one job that you did for decade or more and then you will switch to other job like that? Yeah bi of training if needed, like that job doesn't have people who are doing that for decades? Technology is one thing and it has a wide range not just robotics...

Remember about those clerks and accountants who initially lost their jobs when the computer arrived. They just underwent basic computer training (2 weeks / 4 weeks) and re-entered their jobs with increased salary. The way we work changes, as technology evolves.

Again you are confused about two things. Computer requires a MAN to operate it. Robot doesn't. How can a man replace robot if robot is faster, doesnt get tired, cost less to operate ( not initial cost ), doesnt take sick leave.... You can run one robot 24/7/365. Human can't. So Robot = more profit, Human = less.

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Quote from: umair127 on May 08, 2014, 10:12:18 AM

Still they are making these machines so they can save money in labor.

That is not the only consideration. Take this case. The buildings constructed by the 3D printer is believed to be 10 times stronger than the ones constructed manually. The human error is avoided. And if someone is able to save money on the construction costs, that doesn't mean that it will all end up as profit (especially if there is competition). In most of the cases, it will mean that the end-product will be cheaper.

Also, don't believe this machines takes away our jobs propaganda. One simple question to ask you. After the computers were invented, have they taken away more jobs than they have created?

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 08, 2014, 08:47:49 AM

Quote from: Fatpony on May 08, 2014, 07:33:47 AM

So you are qualified to do one job that you did for decade or more and then you will switch to other job like that? Yeah bi of training if needed, like that job doesn't have people who are doing that for decades? Technology is one thing and it has a wide range not just robotics...

Remember about those clerks and accountants who initially lost their jobs when the computer arrived. They just underwent basic computer training (2 weeks / 4 weeks) and re-entered their jobs with increased salary. The way we work changes, as technology evolves.

In the willy wonka movie the remake, same thing with the father he lost his job, then he got training to fix machines and then got his old job back, was less more labor for him to fix then to produce, but even if one person gets there job back doesnt mean everyone will. Still they are making these machines so they can save money in labor.

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Quote from: Fatpony on May 08, 2014, 07:33:47 AM

So you are qualified to do one job that you did for decade or more and then you will switch to other job like that? Yeah bi of training if needed, like that job doesn't have people who are doing that for decades? Technology is one thing and it has a wide range not just robotics...

Remember about those clerks and accountants who initially lost their jobs when the computer arrived. They just underwent basic computer training (2 weeks / 4 weeks) and re-entered their jobs with increased salary. The way we work changes, as technology evolves.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 08, 2014, 07:21:06 AM

Quote from: Fatpony on May 08, 2014, 06:49:24 AM

If robot takes your job perhaps you will think differently. And robots on a long run would be much more qualified then humans to do ANY job in a near future, some ( well more then some ) now.

If a robot is going to take my job, then I will shift to some other job. If necessary, I will get the additional training needed for that. There is no point in blocking innovative technology, saying that people will become jobless.

In some parts of the world, when computer was first introduced, there were mass protests by these employee unions. They were saying that it will take away the jobs. These people set fire to computers, thrashed the places where they were deployed. (Unfortunately, I was an eye witness to such actions).

And you know what happened in the end? The MNCs moved to some other place where the computers were allowed. The unions and their followers lost their jobs, while the other guys saw their salaries getting increased by many times.

Strictly IMO, I believe that giving a $100,000 employment to a single person is much better than giving a $5,000 employment to 10 people.

So you are qualified to do one job that you did for decade or more and then you will switch to other job like that? Yeah bi of training if needed, like that job doesn't have people who are doing that for decades? Technology is one thing and it has a wide range not just robotics...

Computer did caused lots of jobs to be lost, not nearly as it was predicted but it did. Robot can do what computer cant since you still need a human to operate one. Robots can be programmed and left alone, only to be checked for maintenance.

MNC stands for?

It is better, if that person is you, right? But i bet if the things are different that you would chose to receive 20,000$ and 4 of your friends if that will save your job.

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Quote from: Fatpony on May 08, 2014, 06:49:24 AM

If robot takes your job perhaps you will think differently. And robots on a long run would be much more qualified then humans to do ANY job in a near future, some ( well more then some ) now.

If a robot is going to take my job, then I will shift to some other job. If necessary, I will get the additional training needed for that. There is no point in blocking innovative technology, saying that people will become jobless.

In some parts of the world, when computer was first introduced, there were mass protests by these employee unions. They were saying that it will take away the jobs. These people set fire to computers, thrashed the places where they were deployed. (Unfortunately, I was an eye witness to such actions).

And you know what happened in the end? The MNCs moved to some other place where the computers were allowed. The unions and their followers lost their jobs, while the other guys saw their salaries getting increased by many times.

Strictly IMO, I believe that giving a $100,000 employment to a single person is much better than giving a $5,000 employment to 10 people.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 07, 2014, 11:04:22 PM

Quote from: Fatpony on May 07, 2014, 06:46:29 PM

The population is getting older because life expectancy is getting older. I don;t understand what you mean by Working age population. Like average age of people that are working? or the age they start to work? Pensioners are related to people getting older and life expectancy and that will only be higher. China has 1 child policy and India, with all due respect 90% of population is what you would consider poor, and withhout work is some 10% officially but those numbers could be much higher. Even Spain has problem with unemployment, >20%

Do you think those numbers would get lower if we start to implement robots in everyday business?

Working age populaiton means people who are in active workforce. That is the total population excluding the pensioners and the children. Spain is an outlier, due to the recent economic crisis. And my only concern is not to lower the unemployment rate. If a particular country or government will be able to save money using robots, then it should do so, regardless of whether some unqualified people lose their jobs or not. The money saved in this way can be used for social welfare.

Now you are jumping to conclusions with unqualified workers. How do you know if they are unqualified? If robot takes your job perhaps you will think differently. And robots on a long run would be much more qualified then humans to do ANY job in a near future, some ( well more then some ) now. They don't require training, food, health care, pension, free days, sick leave, they don't go to holidays... It's not that only country would save money, every business owner ( large company owner ) would. And for them more profit = better.

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Quote from: Fatpony on May 07, 2014, 06:46:29 PM

The population is getting older because life expectancy is getting older. I don;t understand what you mean by Working age population. Like average age of people that are working? or the age they start to work? Pensioners are related to people getting older and life expectancy and that will only be higher. China has 1 child policy and India, with all due respect 90% of population is what you would consider poor, and withhout work is some 10% officially but those numbers could be much higher. Even Spain has problem with unemployment, >20%

Do you think those numbers would get lower if we start to implement robots in everyday business?

Working age populaiton means people who are in active workforce. That is the total population excluding the pensioners and the children. Spain is an outlier, due to the recent economic crisis. And my only concern is not to lower the unemployment rate. If a particular country or government will be able to save money using robots, then it should do so, regardless of whether some unqualified people lose their jobs or not. The money saved in this way can be used for social welfare.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 07, 2014, 03:08:59 PM

Quote from: Fatpony on May 07, 2014, 02:30:27 PM

I never said there wont be jobs for humans, but considering our population is only getting bigger, life span longer and technological advances faster and faster, I'm 100% sure that in next few decades there would be less jobs that would require man labor.

In many of the industrialized nations, the population is getting older. Working age population is declining almost everywhere in the Europe and America (and in China, Korea and Japan also), while the number of pensioners is booming. So we can keep out the new technology from Africa and India where the population is increasing, while using it in places where the work force is getting smaller.

The population is getting older because life expectancy is getting older. I don;t understand what you mean by Working age population. Like average age of people that are working? or the age they start to work? Pensioners are related to people getting older and life expectancy and that will only be higher. China has 1 child policy and India, with all due respect 90% of population is what you would consider poor, and withhout work is some 10% officially but those numbers could be much higher. Even Spain has problem with unemployment, >20%

Do you think those numbers would get lower if we start to implement robots in everyday business?

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Quote from: Fatpony on May 07, 2014, 02:30:27 PM

I never said there wont be jobs for humans, but considering our population is only getting bigger, life span longer and technological advances faster and faster, I'm 100% sure that in next few decades there would be less jobs that would require man labor.

In many of the industrialized nations, the population is getting older. Working age population is declining almost everywhere in the Europe and America (and in China, Korea and Japan also), while the number of pensioners is booming. So we can keep out the new technology from Africa and India where the population is increasing, while using it in places where the work force is getting smaller.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 07, 2014, 01:39:19 PM

Quote from: Fatpony on May 07, 2014, 01:30:17 PM

Robotic in industry are doing what humans used to do decades ago. In few decades you will have robot surgeons, robot taxi driver and so on. But hey you can always be a wedding planer or a lawyer

Exactly. There will always be certain jobs which only humans can do.

I never said there wont be jobs for humans, but considering our population is only getting bigger, life span longer and technological advances faster and faster, I'm 100% sure that in next few decades there would be less jobs that would require man labor. You can admit that or not, but robot will take our jobs, mainly mechanical like now and then who knows. We use robots everywhere, you dont even need humans to crop your fields, simply use machine that is guided by computer.....

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Quote from: Fatpony on May 07, 2014, 01:30:17 PM

Robotic in industry are doing what humans used to do decades ago. In few decades you will have robot surgeons, robot taxi driver and so on. But hey you can always be a wedding planer or a lawyer

Exactly. There will always be certain jobs which only humans can do.

Quote from: CoinDiver on May 07, 2014, 01:15:39 PM

Technological advances may lead to short term losses in jobs, but always lead to long term increases in standards of living. This is no different. All that money not going to build less economical housing, is free to be spent on other products or services.

+1. And adding to that, a large number of western nations are actually facing a shortage of skilled manpower, due to demographic changes. This might be one of the better options to overcome that problem.

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The revolution will be monetized!

That's cool! Shocked

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 07, 2014, 01:10:22 PM

Quote from: umair127 on May 07, 2014, 12:50:55 PM

Now I guess the future is computers and becoming a mecanical engineer to fix the machines that had taken away job, but you really believe we have time to go for training all over again, seniors will have no choice to collect unemployment.

You know... when computers started to get popular in the late 80s, and early 90s, a lot of people suddenly become unemployed. Clerks, cashiers.... you name it. But it only lasted for a decade or so. The same clerks learnt computer programs, and re-entered the job market as data operators.

Robotic in industry are doing what humans used to do decades ago. In few decades you will have robot surgeons, robot taxi driver and so on. But hey you can always be a wedding planer or a lawyer

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Quote from: umair127 on May 07, 2014, 12:50:55 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 07, 2014, 12:30:31 PM

Quote from: Mike Christ on May 07, 2014, 11:59:51 AM

Besides, people are nothing if not adaptable; there's always more work that needs to be done.

Exactly. We should adopt new technology as soon as possible. Building contractors can easily find alternate work in other sectors, may be in constructing bridges and tunnels.. (don't think that 3D printers will be capable of doing it).

Now I guess the future is computers and becoming a mecanical engineer to fix the machines that had taken away job, but you really beleieve we have time to go for training all over again, seniors will have no choice to collect unemployment.

Machines can fix themselves. Printers print repair drones which repair printers. Drones can be salvaged and reprinted if they break down. Drones can cover the most common reasons to fix things, but if they can't fix it, you simply salvage the entire machine and reprint it. Printer self-replication was one of the earliest goals of the industry. Excluding the designers, a new, large factory with unique machinery would take a team of 10 engineers maybe half a year to be finished. After that, you really only need a drone supervisor to have a human determine which trespassers should be immediately incapacitated. Architects will be replaced as soon as resource scarcity is no longer a "problem" (when printed space drones mine and haul resources to space factories and we put ski lodges inside stars because we have nothing better to do).

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Technological advances may lead to short term losses in jobs, but always lead to long term increases in standards of living. This is no different. All that money not going to build less economical housing, is free to be spent on other products or services.

Those that understand economics, and still say this technology is bad are either in the housing business, or in the business of manipulating voters.

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Quote from: umair127 on May 07, 2014, 12:50:55 PM

Now I guess the future is computers and becoming a mecanical engineer to fix the machines that had taken away job, but you really believe we have time to go for training all over again, seniors will have no choice to collect unemployment.

You know... when computers started to get popular in the late 80s, and early 90s, a lot of people suddenly become unemployed. Clerks, cashiers.... you name it. But it only lasted for a decade or so. The same clerks learnt computer programs, and re-entered the job market as data operators.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 07, 2014, 12:30:31 PM

Quote from: Mike Christ on May 07, 2014, 11:59:51 AM

Besides, people are nothing if not adaptable; there's always more work that needs to be done.

Exactly. We should adopt new technology as soon as possible. Building contractors can easily find alternate work in other sectors, may be in constructing bridges and tunnels.. (don't think that 3D printers will be capable of doing it).

Now I guess the future is computers and becoming a mecanical engineer to fix the machines that had taken away job, but you really beleieve we have time to go for training all over again, seniors will have no choice to collect unemployment.

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Quote from: Mike Christ on May 07, 2014, 11:59:51 AM

Besides, people are nothing if not adaptable; there's always more work that needs to be done.

Exactly. We should adopt new technology as soon as possible. Building contractors can easily find alternate work in other sectors, may be in constructing bridges and tunnels.. (don't think that 3D printers will be capable of doing it).

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