Topic: Gigabet - legit or not? - page 2. (Read 1266 times)

Indeed, the very first thing in this business is not to do something suspicious without alarming the participant, providing
information regarding to any adjustments or maintenance is very important.

Communication in any venue should always open, it won't bring confusions and doubts as people who are using the site
are fully inform and have ideas in any actions that the owner/s doing.

I have not heard about such casino until you mention it in this thread and after checking their casino and reviews by the players I also doubt the fairness of the casino gigabet.

1)The users say they got ban by the moderator Wolfcub whenever he wish to do so without any valid reason

2) The support team never replies to your emails and the chat box is scammed by the dummies to promote the casino

Here is one more user personal experience:


So after all they are using paid views and promotion to the users to play and when actual users deposit their funds they are unable to withdraw the funds to their wallet or get huge deductions from actual wins.Stay away from them and spread awareness to other users.

Also you must have never been there because you get giga coins simply by placing bets rarely ever in the chat

And now look they're closing down their website so go see for yourself they are a bunch of Thieves

I asked everyday for 5 days when they're wallet would be working. I also asked who the provider of the wallet was so I could verify there was actually a problem with there wallet provider. What they kept telling me was it was the providers fault. So they kicked me just for asking

After seeing here the news of maintenance, I knocked their admin via telegram (we meet before for some reason), message did not read/replied but I saw in their telegram channel that the site will back online later today and all people will be able to withdraw their fund. Also they will post some more details about it. Here is their announcement on telegram channel. @GigaBetOfficial



I also don't like their such maintenance without notice. Atleast they can give some update on social media on time.

Edit: Just see the site is open and the new announcement posted. People can not make deposit/bet/tips but they can withdraw their fund till 4 April . You guys should withdraw your fund before deadline.

Checked the website now and they are on maintenance. I'm not familiar with their platform but based on the other replies here they've been doing maintenance for a couple of days and they even require KYC for their users. Platforms like this are really suspicious, maintenance should not take that long if they manage it properly. People should avoid this type of platforms, there are many good gambling website out there that are very reputable and very active on announcements or answering the queries of their customers.

Not all gambling site needs to be here in Bitcointalk.org because others specially scammers are trying to prevent being here because they Know that this forum is actively checking all their activities and they will be broadcast when they try to Victimized here.

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But about the Chatting ? what happened to you and why not put some proofs here? sorry there is no way that you will be banned doing nothing , there must be a violation that you did that's why you got banned.

What's the reason why they banned you in chat?

Their website is still under maintenance and no specific time frame on when they will be coming back. But since you already had an issue before this happened, I think they cant be trusted based on the reviews and experience of those who play on this site.

I had 17 Horizen coins stolen from my account ( one hour after being banned in the chat )by who I believe was there moderators a couple weeks ago I wouldn't doubt if they are exiting

Common cycle when it comes for new sites after a recent site had been turned out to be a scam.Sorry for those people who had some funds left on this one.

This do really looks and exit scam because no site would really be down on 3 days straight which this one is really a solid indication that they had already ran off
their users money.

No announcement been given off, so its clear as water on whats happening on here.

Gigabet has been down for days with no announcement...

Not looking really great, but I don't think they are going to exit scam.  Just poor management and communication.

Their website always worked for me, but you could tell they were some third world operators.

Hopefully they come back online.  It'd be weird if they scammed with a maintenance screen, rather than letting people to continue to deposit.

Looks like no worries now.  The site has been down for over 3 days straight.  Their host either pulled the plug or they exit scammed.  They had a DNS error for a few mins (Cloudflare caught it and returned it as a 409 - 1018 error),  then poof, site down "for Maint" for 3 days straight.  good riddance,  the site was sketchy at best anyway lol  Kind of ironic that it came only a short time after I exposed their "Provably Fair" shenanigans.  Be on the lookout for a "new site" that magically pops up here pretty soon in the future that looks suspiciously similar to GB

All I did is complain in the chat about there never working wallets. Then they banned me and then they hack my account stole my 17.2 horizen coin and blamed it on me for their incompetent ability to make a secure website. Gigabet.com are thiefs. I wish them cancer

I've had no issues at all withdrawing my affiliate income from Gigabet.co

Never KYC'ed either.

I have to agree,  Gigabet is not really helping itself in the "legit" area and I'll explain why below.

So in this post I am going to outline why I believe gigabet.com is a NON-Provably fair casino despite their claims to be such an entity.  As far as I'm aware,  there are very few posts about gigabet here on Bitcointalk and none of them have any replies from the site admins themselves as far as I can tell (I sent them this link in their support ticket area so that they COULD reply).  So I guess this type of a post shouldnt come as a surprise since many new casinos are indeed scams anyway.  Before I can begin, I have to outline sites which ARE provably fair and that implement it in a couple different ways so that we have a baseline to work with.

Freebitco.in:
This site implements a provably fair system that is identical to that of gigabet.com (to be expected anyway) in every way EXCEPT in how it's implemented.  Freebitco.in provides the user the Hashed server seed, nonce, client seed, AND the actual server seed itself after EVERY roll on it's site and the end of every roll generates a NEW server hash.  Whether it's for a gambling roll or their faucet rolls.  The nonce is the bet ID for your specific account and has nothing to do with the server seed at all.  IMO This is the best implementation that a casino can have as there is nothing being hidden anywhere,  it's LIGHTING fast to verify a roll with 1 single click right in the site's own roll results page UI.  A bot can do it as the rolls happen without making any extra API calls to the server.  Their provably fair system is second to none.  It's simply the best there is.

Primedice:
This site implements a provably fair system that is identical to that of gigabet.com in every way EXCEPT in how it's implemented.  Primedice will only reveal a server hash if you generate a new server hash.  Doing so is not as intuitive as it could be via the UI when compared to sites like Freebitco.in,  but via a bot its very simple.  You just make a call to generate a new hash, then immediately send the server the game's ID and you'll be able to retrieve the server hash for the roll/game/spin/whatever that had just happened.  Also note that the nonce at primedice is tied to the server hash since a single server hash can be re-used (why anyone would want to do that.... no idea,  but it works I guess).  So nonce is the bet ID for that server seed which introduces a new problem of having to regenerate a server key if the user wants to verify previous rolls.  The key here is that there is no time limit on when you can make a "new server seed" request which makes it a viable option for provably fairness.

Stake:
This site is identical to Primedice when it comes to provably fair,  it too has no time limit on when you can generate new seeds.  Most sites implement it this way from what I can tell,  but it's very easy to verify rolls on both Stake and Primedice,  but not nearly as easy as Freebitco.in.  Stake and Primedice are provably fair in my book even though they are both not what I would consider ideal implementations.

Now lets compare to Gigabet

Gigabet implements the SAME provably fair system as the sites above with a few differences that are IMO very very suspect.  It's almost like they want to purposely make it impossible to actually verify rolls,  even by way of automated means which is EXTREMELY suspect IMO and something that isnt difficult at all with any of the sites above.

1.  There is NO WAY to view a roll's "server seed" in the Roll result's UI.  None.  It simply doesnt exist.  It literally has no field,  whether you have generated a new server seed or not.  The only data it has in the UI is the "Nonce", hashed version of the server seed, and the client seed.  There isnt even a LINK to where you can find the server seed.  Anywhere.  There isnt one in their FAQs, there isnt one in the roll result page,  it's NO WHERE to be found.   Instead,  they have silently buried the actual server seed in a separate page that is well hidden in their menu system.  Once you find it,  all if will have is the server seed and the number of rolls that used that server seed (AKA nonce in this case).  It's up to you to figure out which roll went with which server seed and nonce.
2.  The roll results in their own UI only shows the last 20 rolls.  Thats it.  Thats all you get.  There is no history,  no archive,  no anything for past rolls.  Once a roll has scrolled off the page,  your are SOL if you havent logged it's ID in a local DB somewhere.
3.  The server seed changing mechanism is behind a time wall.  You cant regenerate a new server (nor client) seed whenever you want.  You have to wait at least 1 min between requests.  This 1 item ALONE is enough for me to suspect something is going on that shouldnt be.

My conclusive opinion:

The biggest problem is #3,  the time limit.  The others can be dealt with by using a bot at the time a roll happens.  IMO There is absolutely no reason for putting a prohibitive time limit (more than once every 2 seconds IMO is prohibitive since it would lower the BPS of a bot that verifies every roll) on when someone can generate a new server/client seed pair.  The only reason I can think of is to purposely try deter people from even bothering to try to verify rolls.  And once you cross that line,  it's open season on your reputation because why would any casino want to purposely deter someone from verifying their roll results.  There is only 1 reason for that.  Because things are NOT as they should be and they are adding in every hoop they can think of to try to hide it while still trying to claim things are "provably fair".

I would like to hear other's opinions on the tactics Gigabet has employed to hide it's server seeds from it's users through the way the UI works all the way down to the time wall.

BTW,  if you dont see a reply from Gigabet,  that should just add to the suspicions that have already been voiced here by not only myself,  but quite a few others in this small thread.  I gave them this link specifically,  I know they read the mail (I got a read notification when they opened my mail) and now know that this thread exists,  if they dont reply..... well,  I guess that says it all.

UPDATE:  So,  to get some discussion from their own users,  I posted this in their chat:  "As promised,  I did an article on Gigabet's "Provably Fair" process.  You can find it by searching "Gigabet" on bitcointalk.  Join the discussion.".  I was immediately BANNED from chat for 6 months and the chat was deleted within seconds.  Take that as you will,  it didnt violate any of their "Chat Rules".  Just more support that this place is a pile.  If there were ever a "chart" for their reputation,  I could imagine that it would look pretty bearish with it taking a HUGE nose dive from this day forward lol.

Well, I got your point but perhaps that user above did not serious about what he said. Perhaps that site is a very strict policy, I never tried them but this is only my perspective view of those who already gave their views. What is the reason for banning it in chat? --perhaps you offended them and perhaps you bothering other players. There could be a reason why some gambling sites does this, it is cleaning for their community because as I observed in the different chatbox, sometimes there are users who accused a false statement towards the site.
However, why everyone wastes their time on a not well-known gambling site?

instead of just Posting like this , better to post more proofs so people might see themselves what you claims is .
The problem is people keeps on posting about this and that but they have no concrete proof indicated in their post for us to check out.
but as what the OP of this thread says , the team that will banned you just by chatting is sometimes proof that they are scammers and protecting their group from upcoming troubles.

Yes I agree with you but unfortunately having an ANN thread on bitcointalk is not a total guarantee of trustworthiness either. It doesn't prevent them to do an exit scam whenever they want 

Yeah, lucky for me to go, In fact, they don't need to have a thread on bitcointalk to operate crypto gambling. However, for me if there is a thread and a support team here, it will be much easier for us to connect with them. After all, the community in this forum will also find it difficult to boycott gambling services that do not have a thread here. However, we are here, we can create a scam and reputation thread so that it is easier for other gamblers to find out the potential of the gambling site we found.