I think a
lot of people who have replied haven't really read this thread. Replies which criticise the idea but have read the thread, I'm perfectly okay with, but I'm not okay with people skimming the title, popping off a reply based on that, and then moving onto the next thread.
First of all - I said
the option to demerit, and not that every post deletion would result in a demerit, so all of the people who have said "posts can be deleted for reasons other than spam" - you clearly have not actually read my post. I
explicitly said in the OP that there would be a Delete option for posts which are deleted for reasons other than spam, and that DDelete (Demerit/Delete) would be for spam, breaking forum rules, etc.
Secondly - I explicitly wrote
moderators both in the title and the OP. So the fact that some people are saying "but people can delete posts in self-moderated threads so we can't do this" is completely ridiculous. I can't figure out how you could possibly read my post and say that still.
Some replies to people:
And what would happen with members that have no merits to begin with? Would they end up in negative territory?
Obviously you wouldn't be able to go below 0 merit.
Not earning merits doesn't logically mean the user is spamming on the forum or doesn't add value to the forum and his rank should be demoted for it. It sounds more stupid to give this power to just specific peoples ( Mods here ), which would generate obvious drama.
This is irrelevant to my thread, and I assume you're trying to address it to my idea as you say it's stupid to give delete/demerit power to mods. But nothing in my post implied that not earning merits makes you a spammer. I assume that you were trying to address this to the person who suggested merit decay and tried to tie it into the OP to keep it on-topic and messed up.
- If the whole thread gets deleted, the quality posts get deleted too
- If the post reply you were replying to, gets deleted, your post can get deleted too
- Post from a self moderated thread can be deleted irrespective of the post quality, etc.
Obviously for someone to be demerited
their specific post would have to be removed by a Moderator
using DDelete. Again, the thread does make explicitly clear that this is
not a "-1 merit whenever a post is deleted", it's more nuanced than that. Also see above -
moderators have this option, so posts from a self moderated thread deleted by the OP could never result in a demerit.
Possibility for a generic shit post to get merit is merely less and even if they found doing it too often or many times then they will surely get under the radar of spam/scam busters and will be tagged for merit abuse this is the reason why theymos not interested on implementing demerit button which was proposed many times already.
Haven't read my thread at all, as this is not a "demerit button"
Demerit aims at deleted posts (for whatever reasons posts deleted, by OPs of self-moderated threads or by moderators or by users themselves) will cause massively complicated problems: for users, for moderators, and for the forum.
See my complaints above. Discussion in this thread should be about
moderators having the
option to
deduct 1 merit when
they delete a post. Other forms of demerits are irrelevant.
I wish everyone could demerit posts as I'd demerit this one for just being.. silly.
This is probably top reason #1 that users can't demerit posts as I can't imagine a worse reason to demerit a post than "I disagree with it".
Thanks all. I'm out of energy to keep responding for now. If I feel like this topic just ends up being spammed up by people who haven't read the thread I'll just end up locking it rather than let non-constructive discussion fester.