Give new topics some time, you will learn a lot

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Quote from: Renampun on October 19, 2022, 01:00:34 PM

I think it's unethical if we discriminate between someone's knowledge based on BTT account rankings, I've seen there are many newbies or low-ranking ones who have good knowledge and make on-topic reply posts.
some newbies do look disturbing because they make bad posts but we can immediately think that they don't have good knowledge and seem lazy to read even many who make plagiarism posts because they were lazy to read forum rules from the start.

We should not differentiate the level of knowledge based on BTT ranking because BTT ranking is only a period of upgrading to a new rank and even Newbie accounts get a lot of merit for their contributions to the forum, actually there is a community of visitors to read the latest updates about Bitcoin developments, mining, and etc, they already have prior knowledge and interested in registering a BTT account for discussion, although many other Newbie accounts make mistakes but that doesn't mean all about Newbies making mistakes that violate forum rules.

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Quote from: Z390 on October 14, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

Newbies, do not make any hasty decision from fresh topics on this forum, wait till members reply that topic first because some people create topics like they know it all but if you give it time you will get valid answers from a combination of comments from other members, reading through comments alone will enlighten you, unless you don't like reading meaning you shouldn't be on here in the first place.

Actually what you said is the beauty of this great forum. Whenever there is a topic created, no matter how obvious or certain the topic is I would still have to wait for others to contribute to the topic, especially from different countries as the way of Life of people differ from country to country. From the contribution of some persons maybe the conversation has gotten to two pages, I will then draw a reliable and strong conclusion which is likely not to be disputed even outside the forum. This is the unique characteristics of this forum that I love.
No matter how correct an answer is, there would still be a more correct answer from another user.

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Quote from: Z390 on October 14, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

Newbies, do not make any hasty decision from fresh topics on this forum, wait till members reply that topic first because some people create topics like they know it all but if you give it time you will get valid answers from a combination of comments from other members, reading through comments alone will enlighten you, unless you don't like reading meaning you shouldn't be on here in the first place.

This is the function of this forum. So we don't just provide information, ask something, or explain something from the topics created. however, we also have discussions and sharing that can be done by all members here.

For this reason, there are also rules and recommendations in this forum to provide or create topics or replies that are appropriate, informative, clarification, on-topic, and several other rules. So that members don't make posts on their own.
Because there is a lot of information that we can get, but not all the information is correct. So, we must also be smart in considering which information is right and wrong. The trick is to read some discussions and replies from other members.

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Quote from: Z390 on October 14, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

Newbies, do not make any hasty decision from fresh topics on this forum, wait till members reply that topic first because some people create topics like they know it all but if you give it time you will get valid answers from a combination of comments from other members, reading through comments alone will enlighten you, unless you don't like reading meaning you shouldn't be on here in the first place.

The general idea of this topic I take it is to encourage revisiting topics to get the best out of them. This cannot only be for newbies but also for other forum members who start topics of concern, or meet a topic of concern. it can be difficult going through a thread, especially if it's a very engaging discussion that has attracted a lot of other forum users, but you must be disciplined enough to revisit and check responses to get the best opinions. if it's a topic about a concern, and your concern has been settled, to avoid overstretching the issue and bringing confusion into your decision you could do well to lock the topic to avoid other forum users from further contributing to it.

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Quote from: Z390 on October 14, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

Newbies, do not make any hasty decision from fresh topics on this forum, wait till members reply that topic first because some people create topics like they know it all but if you give it time you will get valid answers from a combination of comments from other members, reading through comments alone will enlighten you, unless you don't like reading meaning you shouldn't be on here in the first place.

Since there are many technical aspects of bitcoin, it is important to have a solid understanding of them in order to be able to enjoy the ride. One of the most important things on the forum is true genuine learning from others. Often, fresh information is added to this topic on a daily basis. Well given advice op lots of genius fellows on the forum ready to answer any form of questions.

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Quote from: Z390 on October 14, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

Newbies, do not make any hasty decision from fresh topics on this forum, wait till members reply that topic first because some people create topics like they know it all but if you give it time you will get valid answers from a combination of comments from other members, reading through comments alone will enlighten you, unless you don't like reading meaning you shouldn't be on here in the first place.

I think it's unethical if we discriminate between someone's knowledge based on BTT account rankings, I've seen there are many newbies or low-ranking ones who have good knowledge and make on-topic reply posts.
some newbies do look disturbing because they make bad posts but we can immediately think that they don't have good knowledge and seem lazy to read even many who make plagiarism posts because they were lazy to read forum rules from the start.

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Quote from: Z390 on October 14, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

Newbies, do not make any hasty decision from fresh topics on this forum, wait till members reply that topic first because some people create topics like they know it all but if you give it time you will get valid answers from a combination of comments from other members, reading through comments alone will enlighten you, unless you don't like reading meaning you shouldn't be on here in the first place.

You shouldn't take a decision (whether hastily or not) just because you read a single thread on Bitcointalk, you have to DYOR properly first, the forum does not prevent users from making posts, except it is flat out spam, thus it would be deleted, if it ain't that the post will stand, so i don't see how a user can basically just read one topic on the forum and starting planning their decisions based on that, you'd have to verify, through reading other topics about the subject using the search button, and also search for external sources to compare it with the information you got here, thus you'd be able to ascertain which is the right decision to take.

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Quote from: Z390 on October 14, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

Newbies, do not make any hasty decision from fresh topics on this forum, wait till members reply that topic first because some people create topics like they know it all but if you give it time you will get valid answers from a combination of comments from other members, reading through comments alone will enlighten you, unless you don't like reading meaning you shouldn't be on here in the first place.

Well you're right but if everyone newbie has to wait for others to comment then who will comment first?
There is no restrictions to the number of times one can comment on a particular topic, so if you get a topic and have something to say about it you should freely do so as we're all here to learn, unlearn and relearn and at the end earn from all the activities.

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Quote from: Z390 on October 14, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

Newbies, do not make any hasty decision from fresh topics on this forum, wait till members reply that topic first because some people create topics like they know it all but if you give it time you will get valid answers from a combination of comments from other members, reading through comments alone will enlighten you, unless you don't like reading meaning you shouldn't be on here in the first place.

When a new topic is made in this forum, it's either to impart knowledge, to ask a question that needs to be answered, or to express a personal viewpoint on a topic. Nobody is an expert on everything, therefore newbies don't need to wait for others to enlighten them if they feel like offering their thoughts on a particular subject.

He can provide his personal expertise on the subject, which other members with more in-depth understanding of the subject may accept or dispute. Therefore, it is not advisable to restrict new members' contributions to the forum to topics they are knowledgeable about or interested in learning about.

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Quote from: Despairo on October 17, 2022, 07:58:20 AM

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on October 17, 2022, 02:47:42 AM

When teaching children, there are some harsh words we mustn't use on them. Instead, we must encourage them, but you are not encouraging newbies. You are telling them not to talk even when they have something to say (definitely a baby learning how to talk must be allowed to talk too).

This is internet space where you wouldn't know how old the person control the account, it could be a kid, young person, mature, and old person. Also you can't know if the account is an innocent person, good person, scammer, jerk, troll etc. This doesn't limit people to not give a harsh words, but only about death treat and NSFW are not allowed. If someone giving you harsh words, don't be a crybaby and force the user to stop, instead grow your skin thicker.

In short, the owner of the accounts are anonymous and that is nature here to hide our identity. Like what other said above some newbies a mining to rank up easily and did not care bout the forum rules. Also Newbies nowadays start creating topics without using the search engine first which leads to some topic are the same or worst some newbies plagiarizing topics from other in order to earn more merits to rank up easily.

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Quote from: Z390 on October 14, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

Newbies, do not make any hasty decision from fresh topics on this forum, wait till members reply that topic first

I disagree with this your advise, it will sprouts inferiority and rank differential from members to post, either newbie or an established member can post or make the first reply as long as they carry the semantic weight of the rightful information needed, newbies are of categories, some are experienced while some aren't, but how do we make justice to that, this is where posting quality post comes in, the moderators can easily delete any newbie post trolling or spamming the forum and leaves only the proper and serious minded ones undeleted.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on October 17, 2022, 02:47:42 AM

When teaching children, there are some harsh words we mustn't use on them. Instead, we must encourage them, but you are not encouraging newbies. You are telling them not to talk even when they have something to say (definitely a baby learning how to talk must be allowed to talk too).

This is internet space where you wouldn't know how old the person control the account, it could be a kid, young person, mature, and old person. Also you can't know if the account is an innocent person, good person, scammer, jerk, troll etc. This doesn't limit people to not give a harsh words, but only about death treat and NSFW are not allowed. If someone giving you harsh words, don't be a cry baby and force the user to stop, instead grow your skin thicker.

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Quote from: Z390 on October 14, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

Newbies, do not make any hasty decision from fresh topics on this forum,

When you are eager to learn, you are also eager to put that learning into practice. One can not possibly see a thread/new topic and skip without saying anything just because you are a newbie and perhaps you have something to contribute.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on October 15, 2022, 01:47:55 AM

Their enthusiasm is breaking records. You can just see how long it will last.

There are lots of limiting factors in my environment that may truncate my performance and steady activeness here, but I hope my enthusiasm doesn't get killed by those factors.

Quote from: mk4 on October 15, 2022, 01:48:10 AM

Newbie doesn't automatically mean lack of knowledge. At the same time, Member doesn't automatically mean he/she knows crap.

You are absolutely correct,

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Quote from: Z390 on October 14, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

Newbies, do not make any hasty decision from fresh topics on this forum, wait till members reply that topic first because some people create topics like they know it all but if you give it time you will get valid answers from a combination of comments from other members, reading through comments alone will enlighten you, unless you don't like reading meaning you shouldn't be on here in the first place.

Although I can sense that you're fairly concerned for the newbies but basically, ranks don't mean all of it at all. There are newbies from the forum but could have been in crypto since 2013 or so. As long as they're replying according to the topic and they've got something to share that will be helpful for the original poster and for everyone, there's no need to wait for anyone to post first. We're in a community and this means more sharing of knowledge regardless of your rank or if there's something that you want to ask as an additional question to the original post.

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Quote from: rat03gopoh on October 14, 2022, 03:21:59 PM

I mean, when a newbie is faced with another user's fresh topic (no reply yet), they can also reply right away without hesitation if they know something.
Maybe my interpretation is wrong, The OP's point I understood on "make any hasty decision from fresh topics on this forum" is about responding to another user's new topic, which OP then says:

I don't claim that my interpretation is perfect, I had some doubts myself in what OP meant. So I've kinda tried to complete where I can, not necessarily argue.

Quote from: rat03gopoh on October 14, 2022, 03:21:59 PM

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reading through comments alone will enlighten you.

This means preventing newbies from interacting at all.

Not necessarily. If one has a bit of patience, he may get to more complete topics he can discuss about.
Of course, you do have a point, if somebody waits too much, his answer may already be covered and no longer relevant. Plus, I think that nobody can argue that the posts from the first page are much more visible than the rest.
I guess that there's a subtle "sweet point" for each and every topic and each and every user. For newbies may be a tad delayed, but, as mk4 pointed out very good, it depends on user' knowledge, not "age" (or rank!).

Quote from: m2017 on October 15, 2022, 01:17:35 AM

It all comes down to people's personality and also his "urge to rank up". You and me got the days ranking up was easier. Also I see that you and me may have more patience than the average newbie.
However, it's a nice feeling that others think like me

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Newbie doesn't automatically mean lack of knowledge. At the same time, Member doesn't automatically mean he/she knows crap. Not sure if you're stroking your ego here since you have a member rank lmao.

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The advice is good, but, unfortunately, it will soon be hidden in history. OP, you forgot one important thing for newbies: they are impatient. They care about rank, and for this, they need to create a bunch of guides and open new topics to get a few merits. (sarcasm) Grin

There were times when Ratimov sincerely helped beginners get one or two merits. What did it result in? A wave of new topics began, no matter what the information, plagiarism, or manuals, just to catch the eye of the merit source.
It doesn't work anymore, but there is a legend that you get merit faster if you start creating new topics. The legend works in the same way that you can get faster profits from alternative coins. People watch YouTube, and the date of creation does not matter to them.
Today, too, newbies are creating a lot of the same themes. For example, fennic, Lordsilvabtc, Dr.Bitcoin_Strange, Crypt0Gore, et al. Their enthusiasm is breaking records. You can just see how long it will last.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on October 14, 2022, 12:49:53 PM

Quote from: rat03gopoh on October 14, 2022, 12:25:40 PM

Newbies also need space to show themselves.

My rank is Legendary, and I still don't make many topics, I rather answer to questions.
But many prefer to create topics. I know, this also means they have better chances to get merit (and rank up, if it's the case).

I support your decision, there is no need to create a lot of topics (especially repetitive in meaning) and I think that you need to create topics only when it makes sense. For example, if similar topics have not yet been discussed, there are important issues and a discussion with the forum community is needed. Personally, I create topics when I have something to say and discuss (topics and issues that are important to me), and creating a topic is indispensable (if I didn't find discussion of this in other topics).

Quote from: NeuroticFish on October 14, 2022, 12:49:53 PM

While people are different and some want to show their knowledge, I've seen newbies making topics and teaching about things they don't know well enough and making plenty of mistakes, I have to say: one should think it over before making a topic, one should ask around and clear up things he doesn't know before trying to teach about things they also don't know. If this would happen, I would agree 100% that newbies should be even encouraged to create topics.

Again, I am personally wary of teaching someone, especially in technical and financial matters in crypto areas (because I think that I have a lot to learn in these matters). Accordingly, I again support the opinion that beginners (and not only) should never try to teach others anything if they are not experts in this field. Otherwise, there is a high probability of harming advice than helping.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on October 14, 2022, 12:49:53 PM

But as it is now, I agree with OP: give it time, learn first. Instead of trying to teach, try first to learn. That can also mean new topics and valid questions also get merited.

Truly so.

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Quote from: Z390 on October 14, 2022, 12:05:18 PM

Newbies, do not make any hasty decision from fresh topics on this forum, wait till members reply that topic first because some people create topics like they know it all but if you give it time you will get valid answers from a combination of comments from other members, reading through comments alone will enlighten you, unless you don't like reading meaning you shouldn't be on here in the first place.

Thats a good point. Most newbies keep commenting on new threads or topics that they are interested. But if they just scroll down a check others comments, they could learn many related ideas on that topic they are searching for. Usually by reading those posts they dont need to ask cause naturally it will come out. Anything pertaining to the topic they are curious or ought to know.

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I have noticed that most of the new threads in busy sections like Bitcoin discussion are created by low rank members, newbies even. If you head to that section right at this very moment, you will see what I'm saying. I don't know what this really means but perhaps low rank members like newbie, member, full member are feeling some kind of pressure perhaps to be more relevant on the forum, or to reach higher ranks faster, or to earn merit, or perhaps they simply are more curious or have a lot of questions?

I'm not saying this is a problem but sometimes it seems like some of these threads are hastily created, some even irrelevant or not worth discussing about, some have been discussed over and over again. It seems like low rank members are simply too eager to open a topic so that instead of reading more about it and possibly realize they didn't have to, they end up opening uninteresting threads. In which case, the most knowledgeable members here are probably even discouraged to chime in.

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