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legendary
Activity: 4424
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November 29, 2016, 03:02:33 PM
#9
the funnier part of Gmaxwell (nullc)
is that he works for blockstream.. who work for hyperledger(bankers altcoin)

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I've been telling them to go and create their fork for over a year now.

The fact of the matter is that for a least a few of the vocal people involved do not actually want a fork and don't really believe that users want it either. They just want to disrupt Bitcoin, create FUD, and slow technical progress while then invest in competing systems.

as for the last sentence i underlined from him. he loves his fiat and monero income.. get has not stable bitcoin income/if any.
blockstream got MILLIONS of dollars for a team of say 40.. thats nearly $2million each if equally split. with maxwell being he cheif tech/supervisor im sure his cut is much higher.

he has lost all care and desire for bitcoin. all his idea's have been to push the community apart with:
intentional splits.. not consensual upgrades
increasing fee's to throw third world unbankable countries out of bounds of using bitcoin

now he is pushing hard with his colleagues for LN (bank 2.0) which has many and high fee's

going against blockstream is not disrupting bitcoin. its instead preventing banker dictatorship twisting bitcoin away from "permissionless affordable peer-to-peer currency with no barrier of entry" to what blockstream want, which is "permissioned hubs with fee's, penalties, settlement delays, and chargebacks"


permissioned: LN= dual signed multisig ...buzzword: 'bidirectional channels' managed by hubs
fee's: open channel onchain fee, LN swap fee, multihop fee, hub management fee, close channel onchain fee
penalties: not signing in acceptable time, denying payment
settlement delays: coin maturity after confirmation onchain (CLTV)
chargeback: output revoke codes (CSV)


the devs:


who they really work for and got millions of dollars investment from.. (hyperledger)
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1012
November 29, 2016, 02:55:58 PM
#8
the solution is
dynamic 2mb bas 4mb weight.

both sides win and then let the freedom of how users transact decide what happens

If you think you have the solution, the point is that there is no need to discuss it further. Implement it, mine it, and move forward from the endless "I have the correct solution" discussions.

Yeah, and nullc and his shills get to manipulate the protocol and all miners will just follow along.  every other chain has to go out and start their own alt.   Why doesn't nullc have to start a new chain when he introduces new ideas to the protocol?  Why does nullc get to call his new altcoin 'Bitcoin' and impose those changes on the 'majority' chain? 

If SegWit and Lightning are truly better, then nullc and his gang should be delighted to start a new chain and rid themselves of the 16million BTC load that comes with staying on the old chain. 

Because like the others, there is no chance to start a new chain.  So, saying: 'go do your fork' goes two ways.  Let that fucker nullc go do his fucking alt on a new chain too.

Therefor, the best solution is one side to create a block which the other side refuses to acknowledge.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1026
November 29, 2016, 02:53:34 PM
#7
the solution is
dynamic 2mb bas 4mb weight.

both sides win and then let the freedom of how users transact decide what happens

If you think you have the solution, the point is that there is no need to discuss it further. Implement it, mine it, and move forward from the endless "I have the correct solution" discussions.

Yeah, and nullc and his shills get to manipulate the protocol and all miners will just follow along.  every other chain has to go out and start their own alt.   Why doesn't nullc have to start a new chain when he introduces new ideas to the protocol?  Why does nullc get to call his new altcoin 'Bitcoin' and impose those changes on the 'majority' chain? 

If SegWit and Lightning are truly better, then nullc and his gang should be delighted to start a new chain and rid themselves of the 16million BTC load that comes with staying on the old chain. 

Because like the others, there is no chance to start a new chain.  So, saying: 'go do your fork' goes two ways.  Let that fucker nullc go do his fucking alt on a new chain too.

legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1012
November 29, 2016, 02:18:23 PM
#6
the solution is
dynamic 2mb bas 4mb weight.

both sides win and then let the freedom of how users transact decide what happens

If you think you have the solution, the point is that there is no need to discuss it further. Implement it, mine it, and move forward from the endless "I have the correct solution" discussions.
legendary
Activity: 4424
Merit: 4794
November 29, 2016, 02:16:49 PM
#5
No one can force someone else to run software against their will.

The community is clearly divided between those who want to keep the block chain as lean as possible in order to preserve decentralization at the cost of on chain scaling, and those who want to put every transaction under the sun in the permanent ledger that all full nodes must keep a copy of forever.

These two sides will never see eye to eye! There is no point in furthering the perpetual argument.

Therefor, the best solution is one side to create a block which the other side refuses to acknowledge.

Forking will resolve these differences in the blink of an eye.

the solution is
dynamic 2mb base 4mb weight.
remember 4mb weight is still 4mb weight.. thus not causing any more bloat harm than core is allowing. but HOW that data is used within the weight and also what that can be utilised for changes.

both sides win and then let the freedom of how users transact decide what happens

oh and that solution does not cause an intentional split. just some temporary orphan drama if the % adoption is not high enough before adoption, hense a 95% is only a 5% risk which pools have already found acceptable

win win win
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1012
November 29, 2016, 02:09:21 PM
#4
No one can force someone else to run software against their will.

The community is clearly divided between those who want to keep the block chain as lean as possible in order to preserve decentralization at the cost of on chain scaling, and those who want to put every transaction under the sun in the permanent ledger that all full nodes must keep a copy of forever.

These two sides will never see eye to eye! There is no point in furthering the perpetual argument.

Therefor, the best solution is one side to create a block which the other side refuses to acknowledge.

Forking will resolve these differences in the blink of an eye.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1074
November 29, 2016, 01:41:35 PM
#3
Well the banks did it, why not everyone else? Why do they need to ride on Bitcoin's back to get somewhere? They know it takes time to build

a network around a Alt coin and they are too lazy to go through all of that. I just want someone to create a Bitcoin that can scale, without all

the "extras" added to line the pockets of a few individuals. If someone creates that Alt coin, I will buy it and use it. If I see that we are getting

fucked over by SegWit/LN ... I will move over to something that works...  Angry ... I am sick of all this fighting.
legendary
Activity: 4522
Merit: 3426
November 29, 2016, 01:39:44 PM
#2
This is crazy that everyone who doesn't agree with nullc has to go start a new altcoin.  But when nullc wants to introduce RADICAL changes to the protocol, he somehow expects to do it on top of Bitcoin thus forever changing the Bitcoin protocol to something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.  

wtf?

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5fgckq/nullc_ive_been_telling_them_to_go_and_create/

The real problem is that too many people believe that the developers of Core are in charge of Bitcoin.

I believe that the desire for someone to be in charge is (and will always be) the biggest threat to Bitcoin, and that is why I still give Bitcoin a relatively high chance of failure.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1026
November 29, 2016, 12:39:23 PM
#1
This is crazy that everyone who doesn't agree with nullc has to go start a new altcoin.  But when nullc wants to introduce RADICAL changes to the protocol, he somehow expects to do it on top of Bitcoin thus forever changing the Bitcoin protocol to something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 

wtf?

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5fgckq/nullc_ive_been_telling_them_to_go_and_create/
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