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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
July 10, 2014, 11:24:28 PM
There's a difference between long term behaviour and short term behaviour. In the short term, altcoins will continue to be a thing.

I actually think Litecoin might have another leg up left in it (note that altcoin/BTC is the only ratio that matters):

http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/pair/ltc/btc/btc-e/alltime

The reason I wouldn't be surprised by a bounce is because, unlike every other altcoin I've looked, the bid/ask ratio is actually favourable. Most altcoins have many times more asks than bids.

I disagree in regards to the bolded point above.

Crypto-coins will outpace fiat currency and that does matter. The ratio of Bitcoin to Litecoin or altcoinX to bitcoin is important, it just isn't the only important market.

In the short, medium, and long term crypto-coins will be a thing. Who knows if Litecoin will exist (I suspect Bitcoin will be around in 5-10 years) but could there be another replacing #2 crypto coin or one that surpasses Bitcoin...it is possible. Who knows.

My personal concern is the next 6 months to 3 years. I see another global financial crisis on the horizon and that will mean that Bitcoin and other coins much like it will rise in value even it is just to avert the fiat paper ponzi scheme that exists today.

There will always be sh*t coins as there will always be scammers and bad apples in a group, community, country, etc.

People will lose faith in government currencies (at least a good portion of the people who see their purchasing power diminishing and will look for alternatives to preserve value).
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
July 10, 2014, 11:18:13 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/state-of-bitcoin-q2-2014-report-expanding-bitcoin-economy/

Looks like investment capital is flowing like a river into Bitcoin....latter part of this year will be very interesting....or maybe the next 8-10 weeks.
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July 10, 2014, 10:17:00 PM
There's a difference between long term behaviour and short term behaviour. In the short term, altcoins will continue to be a thing.

I actually think Litecoin might have another leg up left in it (note that altcoin/BTC is the only ratio that matters):

http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/pair/ltc/btc/btc-e/alltime

The reason I wouldn't be surprised by a bounce is because, unlike every other altcoin I've looked, the bid/ask ratio is actually favourable. Most altcoins have many times more asks than bids.
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
July 10, 2014, 09:56:47 PM
Total alt market-cap has pretty much always varied between 5%-10% of bitcoin's market-cap. There's some niche, insurance, and experimentation value in the alt-space, so alt-cap shouldn't be zero....Bitcoin an order of magnitude more important than all of them combined sounds about right, as reflected in the prices.

That being the case, new alts tend to just dilute other alts, not bitcoin. It's getting tougher and tougher to be litecoin.

Not sure if I agree with this as if bitcoin/fiat is used to buy other alts besides LTC then it is diluting Bitcoin as well as that money isn't going towards Bitcoin.

Bitcoin likely won't feel it as much as Litecoin but it does exist. To ignore it is to be in denial.

This next leg up for Bitcoin will crush alts but I suspect at some turning point the prices of alts will recover...eventually (at least ones with the bigger market caps).
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
July 10, 2014, 09:51:35 PM
Well...not sure I agree they will "die" as in the way I would define it but price will fall yes.

Arbitrage will exist. As long as there is a price...people will trade it. You know me I'm a LTC supporter. I don't believe it is going away..but yes the price can go down.
Do standalone BBSs still exist these days?

Probably, but who cares? Their existence and importance is negligible.

The network effect means the market will always seek a single unit of account. It takes massive external interventions to thwart this process. Altcoins don't have armies and police forces attacking anyone who doesn't use them, so they will go the way of the dial up BBSs (or else, Bitcoin will fuck up massively and one of the altcoins will take its place, with Bitcoin fading to oblivion).

Are you presuming that I think an alt coin will over take bitcoin? My answer: No.

Bitcoin has the majority of the attention, capital, and user base of interested parties into cryptocurrency. That doesn't mean there won't be a few other alt chains that are used for speculators to arbitrage with.

I say it is better to have Bitcoin arbitraging with Litecoin than Bitcoin arbitraging with USD or other fiat as you can't instantly withdraw fiat as you can LTC. That is a risk management topic that I personally have used to avert the risk of having USD stuck in an exchange.
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July 10, 2014, 09:48:51 PM
Total alt market-cap has pretty much always varied between 5%-10% of bitcoin's market-cap. There's some niche, insurance, and experimentation value in the alt-space, so alt-cap shouldn't be zero....Bitcoin an order of magnitude more important than all of them combined sounds about right, as reflected in the prices.

That being the case, new alts tend to just dilute other alts, not bitcoin. It's getting tougher and tougher to be litecoin.
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July 10, 2014, 09:24:06 PM
Well...not sure I agree they will "die" as in the way I would define it but price will fall yes.

Arbitrage will exist. As long as there is a price...people will trade it. You know me I'm a LTC supporter. I don't believe it is going away..but yes the price can go down.
Do standalone BBSs still exist these days?

Probably, but who cares? Their existence and importance is negligible.

The network effect means the market will always seek a single unit of account. It takes massive external interventions to thwart this process. Altcoins don't have armies and police forces attacking anyone who doesn't use them, so they will go the way of the dial up BBSs (or else, Bitcoin will fuck up massively and one of the altcoins will take its place, with Bitcoin fading to oblivion).
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
July 10, 2014, 09:11:03 PM
I wonder where we will be in a year from now.  Roll Eyes

No one has a crystal ball. High price in bitcoin will invite more competition.


Actually the competition is going on right now and the alts are losing. If bitcoin takes off to the upside alts are likely to die as everyone rushes to get on the Bitcoin train.

Well...not sure I agree they will "die" as in the way I would define it but price will fall yes.

Arbitrage will exist. As long as there is a price...people will trade it. You know me I'm a LTC supporter. I don't believe it is going away..but yes the price can go down.
legendary
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July 10, 2014, 08:59:18 PM
I wonder where we will be in a year from now.  Roll Eyes

No one has a crystal ball. High price in bitcoin will invite more competition.


Actually the competition is going on right now and the alts are losing. If bitcoin takes off to the upside alts are likely to die as everyone rushes to get on the Bitcoin train.
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SWISSREALCOIN - FIRST REAL ESTATE CRYPTO TOKEN
July 10, 2014, 08:40:01 PM
I wonder where we will be in a year from now.  Roll Eyes

No one has a crystal ball. High price in bitcoin will invite more competition.
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July 10, 2014, 08:34:30 PM

other than that, they are just preventing their citizens from engaging in free private tx.

Yup. exactly.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
July 10, 2014, 07:38:11 PM
I wonder where we will be in a year from now.  Roll Eyes

I thought you of all people would at least have a prediction for us!   Grin Grin

Well I made mine know for this year. But next year....i'll make one when it is the right time.
legendary
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July 10, 2014, 06:18:28 PM
another billionaire joins Bitcoin.  isn't that 3 now?

http://bitcoinagile.com/1F1E8E/russian-jewish-billionaire-yuri-milner-loves-bitcoin
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July 10, 2014, 06:10:24 PM
I wonder where we will be in a year from now.  Roll Eyes

I thought you of all people would at least have a prediction for us!   Grin Grin
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
July 10, 2014, 05:59:36 PM
I wonder where we will be in a year from now.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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July 10, 2014, 05:58:56 PM
Love this thread.

As posted above...

http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/speculative-attack/

Seems to be just around the corner...and they are beginning to see...

http://www.coindesk.com/argentinian-money-regulator-mandates-reporting-bitcoin-activity/

yeah, that last article just adds fuel to the fire.  personally, i'm sick and tired of all these pathetic central banks banning Bitcoin b/c of the 4 horsemen of child  porn, drugs and cartels, ML, and terrorism.  

excuse me, but give me one example please Mr. Central Bankster.  yes, Shrem and Ulbricht do NOT count.

other than that, they are just preventing their citizens from engaging in free private tx.
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July 10, 2014, 05:47:50 PM
Love this thread.

As posted above...

http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/speculative-attack/

Seems to be just around the corner...and they are beginning to see...

http://www.coindesk.com/argentinian-money-regulator-mandates-reporting-bitcoin-activity/
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legendary
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July 10, 2014, 05:29:55 PM
Hahaha
You might as well post ripple, ltc, dogecoin and all other crap exact BTC copies.  The reality is it's BTC vs everyone else.  Kinda like the dollar was after WWII.  All trade will go through BTC so NXT is really in competition with Alts not bitcoin and it's done pretty good so far there.

that's been my point all along but it doesn't hurt highlighting the individual pain.
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