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March 03, 2014, 02:30:05 PM
i wanted to comment on this new exchange that is forming on Second Market.

i don't like the sounds of how it's being structured.  seems eerily similar to the London Gold Fix and also how the banks have rigged Libor.  anytime you get a dozen or so banks on the telephone to determine the price of something, you're asking for trouble.  we know they rigged interest rates and probably have tried to rig gold as well.

from what Barry Silbert talked about on Bloomberg, doing a twice daily Bitcoin price fix based on what a bunch of banks say the price is would be ridiculous.  i'd rather rely on Bitstamp to be quite honest.

We might have Bitstamp accounts and price ticker feeds in front of us, but many don't. And although there's obviously room for collusion on a fixing committee, it wouldn't last long if it was regularily miles off exchange prices.

An AM/PM (more likely midday/midnight?) fix would likely be useful, especially for the various ETF (or ETF-like) products being put together. For example, if you (as a punter) want to sell some of your ETF it obviously wouldn't be possible at last price, it would have to be at next price, so a reliable and generally trusted fix would be needed.
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 02:28:52 PM
i wanted to comment on this new exchange that is forming on Second Market.

i don't like the sounds of how it's being structured.  seems eerily similar to the London Gold Fix and also how the banks have rigged Libor.  anytime you get a dozen or so banks on the telephone to determine the price of something, you're asking for trouble.  we know they rigged interest rates and probably have tried to rig gold as well.

from what Barry Silbert talked about on Bloomberg, doing a twice daily Bitcoin price fix based on what a bunch of banks say the price is would be ridiculous.  i'd rather rely on Bitstamp to be quite honest.

Do you think it's possible he was forced to do this in order to receive Wall St.'s blessings?

Love your Rai stone icon. There is one that sank and people still used it as money even though it was lost. Makes me thing of Gox if the coins turn out to be lost.

Wouldn't a solution to the problem be to buy on both the free market and SM exchange. Then the reduced liquidity would slowly push up the price?

the real solution would be to open up trading to everybody including individuals on a 24/7 basis, just like we have with the other exchanges.

sort of like a real exchange?


cypherdoc, is there a problem with adding a strange-price-fixing exchange into a mix of "real exchanges"? I feel like the price-fixing is an issue if it's the only option, but doesn't detract if it is just thrown into the mix.
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 02:19:34 PM
i wanted to comment on this new exchange that is forming on Second Market.

i don't like the sounds of how it's being structured.  seems eerily similar to the London Gold Fix and also how the banks have rigged Libor.  anytime you get a dozen or so banks on the telephone to determine the price of something, you're asking for trouble.  we know they rigged interest rates and probably have tried to rig gold as well.

from what Barry Silbert talked about on Bloomberg, doing a twice daily Bitcoin price fix based on what a bunch of banks say the price is would be ridiculous.  i'd rather rely on Bitstamp to be quite honest.

Do you think it's possible he was forced to do this in order to receive Wall St.'s blessings?

Love your Rai stone icon. There is one that sank and people still used it as money even though it was lost. Makes me thing of Gox if the coins turn out to be lost.

Wouldn't a solution to the problem be to buy on both the free market and SM exchange. Then the reduced liquidity would slowly push up the price?

the real solution would be to open up trading to everybody including individuals on a 24/7 basis, just like we have with the other exchanges.

sort of like a real exchange?
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 02:16:00 PM
i wanted to comment on this new exchange that is forming on Second Market.

i don't like the sounds of how it's being structured.  seems eerily similar to the London Gold Fix and also how the banks have rigged Libor.  anytime you get a dozen or so banks on the telephone to determine the price of something, you're asking for trouble.  we know they rigged interest rates and probably have tried to rig gold as well.

from what Barry Silbert talked about on Bloomberg, doing a twice daily Bitcoin price fix based on what a bunch of banks say the price is would be ridiculous.  i'd rather rely on Bitstamp to be quite honest.

Do you think it's possible he was forced to do this in order to receive Wall St.'s blessings?

Love your Rai stone icon. There is one that sank and people still used it as money even though it was lost. Makes me thing of Gox if the coins turn out to be lost.

Wouldn't a solution to the problem be to buy on both the free market and SM exchange. Then the reduced liquidity would slowly push up the price?
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March 03, 2014, 01:56:00 PM
ah, the latest generation of troll.

Back at you, old timer.
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 01:54:59 PM
i wanted to comment on this new exchange that is forming on Second Market.

i don't like the sounds of how it's being structured.  seems eerily similar to the London Gold Fix and also how the banks have rigged Libor.  anytime you get a dozen or so banks on the telephone to determine the price of something, you're asking for trouble.  we know they rigged interest rates and probably have tried to rig gold as well.

from what Barry Silbert talked about on Bloomberg, doing a twice daily Bitcoin price fix based on what a bunch of banks say the price is would be ridiculous.  i'd rather rely on Bitstamp to be quite honest.

Is it really that bad? My assumption is that they can't really affect the market too much when they "fix" the price. It's not like Bitstamp is going to disappear. If Barry wants to fix the price, he's going to have to look at Bitstamp himself (as well as all other exchanges) and then fix the price pretty close to what the market thinks is fair anyway. Right?


Yeah, I'd think such a plan wouldn't be viable in bitcoin due to being able to arbitrage the asset itself directly. Unless, as you note, prices are set *very* close to fully liquid exchanges.

What I'm becoming more interested in is whether or not (and/or how) this new exchange could allow or prevent naked shorting. Can someone school me in how this works?
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 01:52:18 PM
gold UP, btc in the DUMPS  Kiss

bitcoin is up today and Gold as well, Stocks are down and Dollar has been down lately, maybe it is finally the start of what is overdue, Janet Yellen will stops tapering right after it started and the FED will increase QE
It may be the last time to get bitcoins and gold cheaply before the price goes up a lot and everyone want to buy

Bitcoin is up roughly 4-5x the % that gold is up today.

it's a matter of what's going to run up the fastest and the furthest with time.

I subscribe to your overall view of Gold collapsing, Bitcoin UP. But I think we will see one more big bull run with Gold. Also Gold AND Bitcoin going UP and fiat going DOWN makes me happy  Cheesy

we need to suck those goldbug bulls in one last time.

the finale.

You should get into comedy, you'd probably make a killing.

ah, the latest generation of troll.
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 01:49:48 PM
i wanted to comment on this new exchange that is forming on Second Market.

i don't like the sounds of how it's being structured.  seems eerily similar to the London Gold Fix and also how the banks have rigged Libor.  anytime you get a dozen or so banks on the telephone to determine the price of something, you're asking for trouble.  we know they rigged interest rates and probably have tried to rig gold as well.

from what Barry Silbert talked about on Bloomberg, doing a twice daily Bitcoin price fix based on what a bunch of banks say the price is would be ridiculous.  i'd rather rely on Bitstamp to be quite honest.

Is it really that bad? My assumption is that they can't really affect the market too much when they "fix" the price. It's not like Bitstamp is going to disappear. If Barry wants to fix the price, he's going to have to look at Bitstamp himself (as well as all other exchanges) and then fix the price pretty close to what the market thinks is fair anyway. Right?

perception moves in waves and cycles. 

the perception they can create with the billions of USD they bring to the table in a price fixing scheme could be significant in the short term and be to the detriment of small players like Bitstamp.  i would hate to see that but yes, in the long run, it shouldn't matter.

this is Bitcoin's Tension.
sr. member
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March 03, 2014, 01:44:11 PM
gold UP, btc in the DUMPS  Kiss

bitcoin is up today and Gold as well, Stocks are down and Dollar has been down lately, maybe it is finally the start of what is overdue, Janet Yellen will stops tapering right after it started and the FED will increase QE
It may be the last time to get bitcoins and gold cheaply before the price goes up a lot and everyone want to buy

Bitcoin is up roughly 4-5x the % that gold is up today.

it's a matter of what's going to run up the fastest and the furthest with time.

I subscribe to your overall view of Gold collapsing, Bitcoin UP. But I think we will see one more big bull run with Gold. Also Gold AND Bitcoin going UP and fiat going DOWN makes me happy  Cheesy

we need to suck those goldbug bulls in one last time.

the finale.

You should get into comedy, you'd probably make a killing.
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March 03, 2014, 01:43:52 PM
i wanted to comment on this new exchange that is forming on Second Market.

i don't like the sounds of how it's being structured.  seems eerily similar to the London Gold Fix and also how the banks have rigged Libor.  anytime you get a dozen or so banks on the telephone to determine the price of something, you're asking for trouble.  we know they rigged interest rates and probably have tried to rig gold as well.

from what Barry Silbert talked about on Bloomberg, doing a twice daily Bitcoin price fix based on what a bunch of banks say the price is would be ridiculous.  i'd rather rely on Bitstamp to be quite honest.

Do you think it's possible he was forced to do this in order to receive Wall St.'s blessings?
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 01:41:36 PM
i wanted to comment on this new exchange that is forming on Second Market.

i don't like the sounds of how it's being structured.  seems eerily similar to the London Gold Fix and also how the banks have rigged Libor.  anytime you get a dozen or so banks on the telephone to determine the price of something, you're asking for trouble.  we know they rigged interest rates and probably have tried to rig gold as well.

from what Barry Silbert talked about on Bloomberg, doing a twice daily Bitcoin price fix based on what a bunch of banks say the price is would be ridiculous.  i'd rather rely on Bitstamp to be quite honest.

I'm out of my depth here, but I wonder if they will have a more difficult time "fixing" Bitcoin due to the simple fact that Bitcoin can move around the world at light speed when compared to the cumbersome metal.

If people stop being dinosaurs and learn to take possession of their coins, "the powers that be" will have a much more difficult time attempting to put a leash on it.

I wonder if the dinosaurs have to die out before a change like this can occur? How many more times will I have to watch the slow motion train wreck of people losing their coins due to trusting third parties?

yes, it would be more difficult.

at least with gold, they have some of it (unlike Bitcoin), and they can shield actual supply stats.  and with interest rates, they have the central banks at their backs along with corrupt gov't.

but that won't stop them from trying and preventing the next crash before we move on to yet another high.
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 01:40:13 PM
i wanted to comment on this new exchange that is forming on Second Market.

i don't like the sounds of how it's being structured.  seems eerily similar to the London Gold Fix and also how the banks have rigged Libor.  anytime you get a dozen or so banks on the telephone to determine the price of something, you're asking for trouble.  we know they rigged interest rates and probably have tried to rig gold as well.

from what Barry Silbert talked about on Bloomberg, doing a twice daily Bitcoin price fix based on what a bunch of banks say the price is would be ridiculous.  i'd rather rely on Bitstamp to be quite honest.

Is it really that bad? My assumption is that they can't really affect the market too much when they "fix" the price. It's not like Bitstamp is going to disappear. If Barry wants to fix the price, he's going to have to look at Bitstamp himself (as well as all other exchanges) and then fix the price pretty close to what the market thinks is fair anyway. Right?
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 01:31:51 PM
i wanted to comment on this new exchange that is forming on Second Market.

i don't like the sounds of how it's being structured.  seems eerily similar to the London Gold Fix and also how the banks have rigged Libor.  anytime you get a dozen or so banks on the telephone to determine the price of something, you're asking for trouble.  we know they rigged interest rates and probably have tried to rig gold as well.

from what Barry Silbert talked about on Bloomberg, doing a twice daily Bitcoin price fix based on what a bunch of banks say the price is would be ridiculous.  i'd rather rely on Bitstamp to be quite honest.


Yes, agreed. I haven't read too deeply on SecondMarket's plans - why is Barry going that route? He seems to otherwise be spot-on with all things bitcoin/markets related.



he clearly stands to make a killing in USD terms if this goes thru.

even ardent Bitcoin supporters can sometimes lose perspective.

edit:  it's actually also possible he and Second Market lost a significant amount of money via mtgox.  i know they had a local branch there in Tokyo near mtgox to facitate tx's in Yen.
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 01:24:43 PM
i wanted to comment on this new exchange that is forming on Second Market.

i don't like the sounds of how it's being structured.  seems eerily similar to the London Gold Fix and also how the banks have rigged Libor.  anytime you get a dozen or so banks on the telephone to determine the price of something, you're asking for trouble.  we know they rigged interest rates and probably have tried to rig gold as well.

from what Barry Silbert talked about on Bloomberg, doing a twice daily Bitcoin price fix based on what a bunch of banks say the price is would be ridiculous.  i'd rather rely on Bitstamp to be quite honest.


Yes, agreed. I haven't read too deeply on SecondMarket's plans - why is Barry going that route? He seems to otherwise be spot-on with all things bitcoin/markets related.

legendary
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March 03, 2014, 01:24:34 PM
lol I deserved that.  Update coming soon... will edit this response.
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 01:02:16 PM
Cypherdoc,

Y u no?

BOOM!!!


LOL,zerg, why you no

UPDATE!
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 12:54:34 PM
Cypherdoc,

Y u no?

BOOM!!!
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 12:37:00 PM
i wanted to comment on this new exchange that is forming on Second Market.

i don't like the sounds of how it's being structured.  seems eerily similar to the London Gold Fix and also how the banks have rigged Libor.  anytime you get a dozen or so banks on the telephone to determine the price of something, you're asking for trouble.  we know they rigged interest rates and probably have tried to rig gold as well.

from what Barry Silbert talked about on Bloomberg, doing a twice daily Bitcoin price fix based on what a bunch of banks say the price is would be ridiculous.  i'd rather rely on Bitstamp to be quite honest.
legendary
Activity: 1764
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March 03, 2014, 12:27:20 PM
gold UP, btc in the DUMPS  Kiss

bitcoin is up today and Gold as well, Stocks are down and Dollar has been down lately, maybe it is finally the start of what is overdue, Janet Yellen will stops tapering right after it started and the FED will increase QE
It may be the last time to get bitcoins and gold cheaply before the price goes up a lot and everyone want to buy

Bitcoin is up roughly 4-5x the % that gold is up today.

it's a matter of what's going to run up the fastest and the furthest with time.

I subscribe to your overall view of Gold collapsing, Bitcoin UP. But I think we will see one more big bull run with Gold. Also Gold AND Bitcoin going UP and fiat going DOWN makes me happy  Cheesy

we need to suck those goldbug bulls in one last time.

the finale.
legendary
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March 03, 2014, 12:14:06 PM
gold UP, btc in the DUMPS  Kiss

bitcoin is up today and Gold as well, Stocks are down and Dollar has been down lately, maybe it is finally the start of what is overdue, Janet Yellen will stops tapering right after it started and the FED will increase QE
It may be the last time to get bitcoins and gold cheaply before the price goes up a lot and everyone want to buy

Bitcoin is up roughly 4-5x the % that gold is up today.

it's a matter of what's going to run up the fastest and the furthest with time.

I subscribe to your overall view of Gold collapsing, Bitcoin UP. But I think we will see one more big bull run with Gold. Also Gold AND Bitcoin going UP and fiat going DOWN makes me happy  Cheesy
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