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legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
July 08, 2015, 12:53:33 PM
Gavin is right about one thing however.  The sky will not fall because of full blocks.

Now please return to the normal Chicken Little routine.  It would be so quite in here without your panicked squawking.   Wink

you have no idea what a true fee mkt is.  it's not what we're getting now.  the above graph i just put up shows tremendous stress on Bitcoin usage by new and existing users.  what's ironic is that the continuous stream of full blocks is a reflection of miners begging for bigger blocks so that they can chew through that mempool in an instant.  that "clearing" of the mempool would enforce losses on the spammer.  right now, they can just recycle their spam as it gets deleted every 24 h while still causing damage to the user experience. 

get your head out of your ass.

Oh, touchy touchy!  You really don't like it when I use facts, logic, and humor to highlight the contradictions and unsupported assertions in your worldview.   Smiley

How precisely does increasing the minimum fee from ~2 to ~5 cents "damage to the user experience?"

Can you explain that as easily as I can explain how undercharging for use of an incredibly valuable service, which consumes ~1.5 days worth of an avg US home's electricity, damages the long term signalling/incentive structures of the system?
legendary
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July 08, 2015, 12:53:19 PM
...  the above graph i just put up shows tremendous stress on Bitcoin usage by new and existing users.  what's ironic is that the continuous stream of full blocks is a reflection of miners begging for bigger blocks so that they can chew through that mempool in an instant.  ...

It is spam attack and with 8MB block it will be worse.

Quote from: Rusty Russell
... if blocks were 8MB: an 8MB transaction with 22,500 inputs and 3.95MB of outputs takes over 11 minutes to hash ....
worse for the attacker who would be paying 8 x in fees. miners can upgrade there CPU's if they are having problems collecting the fees.
legendary
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July 08, 2015, 12:52:11 PM
look at this.  80K unconf tx's and 6.76TPS and yet gmax et al says there's no problem.  all that wasted computational work done by full nodes for blocks that will never clear those unconf tx's.  i told you long ago these guys will never even be able to recognize a problem even when it's staring them in the face and even after it's beat them over the head:

So the fix is to happily write these 80k spam transactions into the permanent ledger that we (full nodes) have to keep a copy of forever?

Yes, initially.

After some volatility and after the spammers figure out they can't jack the mempool anymore the attacks should stop.

someone did a calculation:

For example, with 100mb blocks, forcing average transaction fees up to only $0.06 over the course of a year would genuinely cost an attacker over $1billion.
legendary
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July 08, 2015, 12:48:37 PM
look at this.  80K unconf tx's and 6.76TPS and yet gmax et al says there's no problem.  all that wasted computational work done by full nodes for blocks that will never clear those unconf tx's.  i told you long ago these guys will never even be able to recognize a problem even when it's staring them in the face and even after it's beat them over the head:

So the fix is to happily write these 80k spam transactions into the permanent ledger that we (full nodes) have to keep a copy of forever?

Yes, initially.

After some volatility and after the spammers figure out they can't jack the mempool anymore the attacks should stop.
sr. member
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July 08, 2015, 12:41:08 PM
look at this.  80K unconf tx's and 6.76TPS and yet gmax et al says there's no problem.  all that wasted computational work done by full nodes for blocks that will never clear those unconf tx's.  i told you long ago these guys will never even be able to recognize a problem even when it's staring them in the face and even after it's beat them over the head:

So the fix is to happily write these 80k spam transactions into the permanent ledger that we (full nodes) have to keep a copy of forever?

This may be the first false-flag attack on the Bitcoin network, just look how the henchman on this thread is salivating over this controlled crisis to force their botched fork.
legendary
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July 08, 2015, 12:33:06 PM
...  the above graph i just put up shows tremendous stress on Bitcoin usage by new and existing users.  what's ironic is that the continuous stream of full blocks is a reflection of miners begging for bigger blocks so that they can chew through that mempool in an instant.  ...

It is spam attack and with 8MB block it will be worse.

Quote from: Rusty Russell
... if blocks were 8MB: an 8MB transaction with 22,500 inputs and 3.95MB of outputs takes over 11 minutes to hash ....
legendary
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July 08, 2015, 12:17:29 PM
What contagion?  Everything is fine!



just b/c he could get that wrong doesn't mean his entire thesis is wrong.  plus, he's got me as a counter balance. Grin

Getting that key premise wrong does in fact mean his entire consequent thesis is wrong.  EG:
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I think we're about to see an explosion of bandwidth to the home, because the ongoing financial crisis will get much worse and big companies are investing in infrastructure again. And people LOVE streaming video....

^That^ doesn't make sense.  QED, Gavin explicitly and inseparably tied larger block feasibility to the supposed end of the financial crisis and subsequent future infrastructure investment.

Gavin is right about one thing however.  The sky will not fall because of full blocks.

Now please return to the normal Chicken Little routine.  It would be so quite in here without your panicked squawking.   Wink

you have no idea what a true fee mkt is.  it's not what we're getting now.  the above graph i just put up shows tremendous stress on Bitcoin usage by new and existing users.  what's ironic is that the continuous stream of full blocks is a reflection of miners begging for bigger blocks so that they can chew through that mempool in an instant.  that "clearing" of the mempool would enforce losses on the spammer.  right now, they can just recycle their spam as it gets deleted every 24 h while still causing damage to the user experience. 

get your head out of your ass.
legendary
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July 08, 2015, 12:14:51 PM
...

The NYSE down.  The Bitcoin Ecosystem under attack (and yes, it is an attack, all the spamming).  China down.  Greece.

CNBC is now saying that *it appears* that the NYSE freeze-up probably is a somewhat benign software update.  Well, we'll see.

I have preached elsewhere DIVERSIFICATION for those with assets.  But, please count this as my last such comment here.

/OT

And now back to your regular technical programming.  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 2156
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
July 08, 2015, 12:05:25 PM
What contagion?  Everything is fine!



just b/c he could get that wrong doesn't mean his entire thesis is wrong.  plus, he's got me as a counter balance. Grin

Getting that key premise wrong does in fact mean his entire consequent thesis is wrong.  EG:
Quote
I think we're about to see an explosion of bandwidth to the home, because the ongoing financial crisis will get much worse and big companies are investing in infrastructure again. And people LOVE streaming video....

^That^ doesn't make sense.  QED, Gavin explicitly and inseparably tied larger block feasibility to the supposed end of the financial crisis and subsequent future infrastructure investment.

Gavin is right about one thing however.  The sky will not fall because of full blocks.

Now please return to the normal Chicken Little routine.  It would be so quite in here without your panicked squawking.   Wink
legendary
Activity: 1764
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July 08, 2015, 11:58:29 AM
look at this.  80K unconf tx's and 6.76TPS and yet gmax et al says there's no problem.  all that wasted computational work done by full nodes for blocks that will never clear those unconf tx's.  i told you long ago these guys will never even be able to recognize a problem even when it's staring them in the face and even after it's beat them over the head:

legendary
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July 08, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
No really guys there's no contagion.........from Greece  Cheesy

EDIT: very promising that BTC remains independent

EDIT2: front page marketwatch lol: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/greeces-disease-wont-infect-healthy-european-countries-2015-07-08

What contagion?  Everything is fine!





just b/c he could get that wrong doesn't mean his entire thesis is wrong.  plus, he's got me as a counter balance. Grin
legendary
Activity: 2156
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
July 08, 2015, 11:37:09 AM
No really guys there's no contagion.........from Greece  Cheesy

EDIT: very promising that BTC remains independent

EDIT2: front page marketwatch lol: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/greeces-disease-wont-infect-healthy-european-countries-2015-07-08

What contagion?  Everything is fine!



legendary
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July 08, 2015, 11:18:32 AM
I just heard the NYSE halted trading.

geezuz.

you see, it's a systemic global problem as i have been saying all along.

the sweet smell of Deflation.
Technical issues  Wink http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^dji

Market crashing?  Not anymore!



How con-ven-ient!   Roll Eyes

yep.  you can bet the glitch was to protect some insiders ponzi.
legendary
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July 08, 2015, 11:17:57 AM
No really guys there's no contagion.........from Greece  Cheesy

EDIT: very promising that BTC remains independent

i kept telling you they were lying to you  Wink
legendary
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July 08, 2015, 11:09:30 AM
No really guys there's no contagion.........from Greece  Cheesy

EDIT: very promising that BTC remains independent

EDIT2: front page marketwatch lol: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/greeces-disease-wont-infect-healthy-european-countries-2015-07-08
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
July 08, 2015, 11:03:28 AM
I just heard the NYSE halted trading.

geezuz.

you see, it's a systemic global problem as i have been saying all along.

the sweet smell of Deflation.
Technical issues  Wink http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^dji

Market crashing?  Not anymore!



How con-ven-ient!   Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
July 08, 2015, 11:01:42 AM
I just heard the NYSE halted trading.

geezuz.

you see, it's a systemic global problem as i have been saying all along.

the sweet smell of Deflation.
Technical issues  Wink http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^dji

yeah, iCEBlow (BS).  other exchanges have been getting "glitched" too the last few weeks.
legendary
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July 08, 2015, 11:00:36 AM
back up for me but stocks headed down the shoot.  oil plunging:

legendary
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Bitcoin / Crypto mining Hardware.
July 08, 2015, 10:59:11 AM
I just heard the NYSE halted trading.

geezuz.

you see, it's a systemic global problem as i have been saying all along.

the sweet smell of Deflation.
Technical issues  Wink http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^dji
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
July 08, 2015, 10:57:46 AM
I just heard the NYSE halted trading.

geezuz.

you see, it's a systemic global problem as i have been saying all along.

the sweet smell of Deflation.
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