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legendary
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Enabling the maximal migration
October 31, 2012, 03:48:23 PM
Just out:
Jim Willie: ''Central Bank Gold Rehypothecation Scandal to Take Gold to $5,000/oz''
http://www.silverdoctors.com/jim-willie-central-bank-gold-rehypothecation-scandal-to-take-gold-to-5000oz/

is there a TLDR version?
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
October 31, 2012, 02:39:43 PM
Just out:
Jim Willie: ''Central Bank Gold Rehypothecation Scandal to Take Gold to $5,000/oz''
http://www.silverdoctors.com/jim-willie-central-bank-gold-rehypothecation-scandal-to-take-gold-to-5000oz/
legendary
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October 31, 2012, 12:33:46 PM
Gold appears to be having starting failing its own Kaboom moment.

I see USD failing to find support after barely breaking the horizontal resistance line I drew earlier.  I also see Gold breaking its own resistance levels much more decisively...
legendary
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October 31, 2012, 12:30:09 PM
Gold appears to be having starting failing its own Kaboom moment.
legendary
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October 31, 2012, 12:24:18 PM

lol: how to invest into bitcoin if you don't want to touch the stuff? well: short its enemies.

This  Wink

edit:  actually there's no harm in doing both!  win on each end!

its like selling/shorting gold and silver to buy Bitcoin.  oh wait...
legendary
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October 31, 2012, 12:22:23 PM

lol: how to invest into bitcoin if you don't want to touch the stuff? well: short its enemies.

This  Wink

edit:  actually there's no harm in doing both!  win on each end!
legendary
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October 31, 2012, 11:59:36 AM
I have been holding this short for months and finally Kaboom!

Think of the implications for Bitcoin:

[img]http://stockcharts.com/c-sc/sc?s=WU&p=D&b=5&g=0&i=t30764221880&r=1351694485257

lol: how to invest into bitcoin if you don't want to touch the stuff? well: short its enemies.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-31/western-union-falls-after-paring-profit-forecast-denver-mover
“Our sharply lower 2013 and 2014 revenue and earnings-per- share estimates reflect management’s decision to reduce price in key corridors in an effort to regain share,” Andrew Jeffrey, an analyst with SunTrust Banks Inc. (STI), said today in a note that downgraded the shares to neutral from buy. “Some competitive pressure is coming from new entrants, while much is likely from traditional participants.”
donator
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October 31, 2012, 11:39:30 AM
I have been holding this short for months and finally Kaboom!

Think of the implications for Bitcoin:



lol: how to invest into bitcoin if you don't want to touch the stuff? well: short its enemies.
legendary
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October 31, 2012, 10:46:26 AM
Gold appears to be having starting its own Kaboom moment.
legendary
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October 31, 2012, 09:42:08 AM
I have been holding this short for months and finally Kaboom!

Think of the implications for Bitcoin:

legendary
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October 29, 2012, 12:47:34 PM
Gold and silver are going to go under their lows from 5 days ago (~1740 or ~34), but not below major support at ~1650 or ~30, before continuing to higher highs.

Just thought I should put one of my predictions to the test as well as bashing Cypher's Tongue

Under 1740 and 34... now to find support above 1650 and 30. Cheesy

My crystal ball is showing that the USDX just topped.  I think this week could contain one of those corners you like to look for Cypher.  Should be an exciting week.

USD moving up and through 80 with relative ease.

Break this line and I will admit defeat in my USD predictions Wink

I dont think it will, due to infinite easing.


I was wrong.  Resistance line appears to be broken.  Closing above and finding support at that line would be the final nail.

EDIT: no support yet  Shocked Wink
legendary
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October 29, 2012, 11:18:44 AM
uh oh.  USD=80.25  Wink
legendary
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October 26, 2012, 02:49:32 PM
Hammer at resistance level in USDX today

EDIT: USD just kissed the resistance line... last chance for me to be right  Wink Grin

EDIT2: Really interesting price movements today.  We are at a major decision point I think.

I think you are basically right (insofar as the USDX will only be allowed to exist at a certain level on the high side) but I don't think that it is possible to avoid spikes above the desired level high end.  The drop-dead number I've pulled out of my ass is 80-ish.  I suspect that QE3 was implemented in such a way as to pull the USDX down to that level for starters, but also to provide a little less latency as future necessities pop up.

My personal sense is that the architecture of QE3 was implemented with some haste and probably without a full study of the corner-case dynamics.  It would be interesting to find out if adversaries of the US can twang the strings in such a way to get a destructive harmonic going (if/when it suits their interests to do so.)

legendary
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October 25, 2012, 03:35:40 PM
Hammer at resistance level in USDX today

EDIT: USD just kissed the resistance line... last chance for me to be right  Wink Grin

EDIT2: Really interesting price movements today.  We are at a major decision point I think.

EDIT3 on 10-29... kiss kiss kiss that resistance.
legendary
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October 25, 2012, 01:08:43 PM


I've sometimes mused about what set of events might be capable of separating Oceania and Eurasia from one another (thus completing one of the dwindling loose-ends of Orwell's dystopian vision), and wondered if a forced change of ownership of a large percentage of the physical gold holdings of one group to the other would be sufficient do produce such a rift.  Under a regime where physical gold is the commonly recognized base-line for notating the wealth of political bodies, I would not rule it out.

Nor would I rule out the potential that the EU find might find some utility in attaching to Russia in order to address a deficit in real estate and strategic nuclear capabilities.  Given the choice of joining our (the US's) future and likely ill-fated exploits in the Middle East or forging a different set of relationships I could see the latter appearing to be more palatable...for long enough to make it happen at least.

hero member
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Libertas a calumnia
October 25, 2012, 02:20:34 AM
The News doesn't matter.
Do you mean that if we (i.e.: "the world") discovers that there is no gold in the federal reserve bank that will have no consequence on the market?

MIA: 3,400 tons of German Gold
A related article:

A German federal court has said that country’s central bank should conduct annual audits and physically inspect its gold reserves worldwide, including gold in the custody of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. In addition to the FRBNY, Bundesbank gold is stored in London, Paris and Frankfurt.
 
For decades, the Bundesbank has relied on written confirmation of its gold holdings in London, Paris and New York. According to the report from the German audit court, the last time Bundesbank officials physically inspected the central banks gold holdings was, well, never.
(It should be stated that the folks at FT Alphaville quote a report saying an inspection took place in 1979/1980.)
Interestingly enough, the Bundesbank is apparently quite happy with taking the word of other central bankers about the existence, location and size of its gold reserves. It put out the word that it disagrees with the Audit Court, which only has advisory power and cannot force the Bundesbank to follow its recommendations, about the need for inspections. Nonetheless, the Bundesbank is actually going to follow the recommendation that it verify the gold stocks. It also has plans to ship some 150 tons of gold back to Germany for a more “thorough examination.”
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In cryptography we trust
October 24, 2012, 07:11:54 AM
My statements have been that deflation is occurring simultaneously with inflation. Deflation is always in effect, and inflation happens when real growth outpaces the former. There is no way to stop a deflationary collapse, only mitigate the effects. In other words: buy time.

Biflation is a good explanation why deflation and inflation are occurring at the same time in our economies. It squashes people who are only using fiat from both sides: their debt-based assets (houses, cars) are valued less due to deflation, and at the same time their savings lose value due to inflation of commodities (food, cloths).


When the body is severely injured, it attempts to shunt as much blood to the core as possible - the head and torso. The limbs are expendable when ensuring survival of the organism. This is what's happening in the western financial system - the periphery composed of the PIIGS is being sacrificed to protect the foundation in NY, London, and Brussels.
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Awareness is the only hurdle gold has surmounted which Bitcoin has not - it's only a matter of time, but gold's revaluation will probably happen before Bitcoin becomes commonly recognizable to the majority of people. I look at gold as a several-thousand year old, interim monetary solution - and it's soon to hand its crown off to cryptocurrencies, just not as quickly as we might like.

I like this refreshing and clear analysis of the current situation. Thanks
legendary
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October 23, 2012, 10:00:22 PM

miscreanity:  i've been meaning to ask you.  one of your basic tenets is that CB's will never allow riots in the street here in the US as an argument against deflation ever being allowed to occur (as if they could control it  Roll Eyes).

how do you  reconcile the fact that Draghi and his merry band of CB's along with the IMF/Troika-F*cks have been more than happy to impose austerity demands onto the Greeks, Spanish and Irish despite the fact that they are clearly leading to riots, rise of Nazi-like Golden Dawns, and public suicides?  seems to me as long as ECB/EMF loans get extended to the debtor countries, like Greece, and then are channeled back to the Northern European banks for debt payments, they are more than happy to let this deflation/depression grind on.

why can't that come here and lead to a deflationary collapse in gold prices?

My statements have been that deflation is occurring simultaneously with inflation. Deflation is always in effect, and inflation happens when real growth outpaces the former. There is no way to stop a deflationary collapse, only mitigate the effects. In other words: buy time.

When the body is severely injured, it attempts to shunt as much blood to the core as possible - the head and torso. The limbs are expendable when ensuring survival of the organism. This is what's happening in the western financial system - the periphery composed of the PIIGS is being sacrificed to protect the foundation in NY, London, and Brussels.

It's the whole system - global. We're in the same boat as the Greeks, facing the same riots and chaos. The difference is they're not critical to the system. You throw the weakest link under the bus to cull the herd and allow the strong(er) to go on, hoping disease hasn't spread. Remember fears of contagion? Too late.

QE has been an attempt to rehydrate a dehydrated body, but the real problem is an electrolyte imbalance. The more water put into the body, the more screwed up the levels of potassium, magnesium, and sodium get - enough to cause a heart attack. Correct action wasn't taken because in order to replenish electrolytes, continued suffering would have to be endured - potentially risking organ failure or even death. The QE quick fix was a knee jerk reaction that now has no antidote.

The futures markets have been a major tool used to store liquidity, which is why they've become increasingly volatile. The financial body is now bloated and can't function properly, even less so than it could before the 2007-08 crash. At least it's still alive...

... there is tremendous vested interest in promoting paper money.  When you have that kind of vested interest, people aren’t going to go down without a fight...

The reason physical gold won't collapse is because it doesn't rely on the financial system. Paper is just an easily reproducible representation of value held elsewhere, unlike real assets. Among real assets, few can be stored over indefinite periods of time, and fewer have a stock to flow ratio capable of storing wealth at a global scale.

Awareness is the only hurdle gold has surmounted which Bitcoin has not - it's only a matter of time, but gold's revaluation will probably happen before Bitcoin becomes commonly recognizable to the majority of people. I look at gold as a several-thousand year old, interim monetary solution - and it's soon to hand its crown off to cryptocurrencies, just not as quickly as we might like.
legendary
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October 23, 2012, 04:33:42 PM

miscreanity:  i've been meaning to ask you.  one of your basic tenets is that CB's will never allow riots in the street here in the US as an argument against deflation ever being allowed to occur (as if they could control it  Roll Eyes).

how do you  reconcile the fact that Draghi and his merry band of CB's along with the IMF/Troika-F*cks have been more than happy to impose austerity demands onto the Greeks, Spanish and Irish despite the fact that they are clearly leading to riots, rise of Nazi-like Golden Dawns, and public suicides?  seems to me as long as ECB/EMF loans get extended to the debtor countries, like Greece, and then are channeled back to the Northern European banks for debt payments, they are more than happy to let this deflation/depression grind on.

why can't that come here and lead to a deflationary collapse in gold prices?
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