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Topic: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. - page 1515. (Read 2032286 times)

legendary
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April 26, 2012, 03:28:26 PM
http://seekingalpha.com/article/525521-russia-and-mexico-both-buy-nearly-1-billion-worth-of-gold-in-march

so the Fed is really going to turn control of the global monetary system over to Russian and Mexico?

Naw, probably to a French lead coalition, but not for like 150 years..
legendary
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April 26, 2012, 02:53:21 PM
Deflation is not in the mandate either. It's supposed be 2% inflation. They manipulate the figures to make it higher though.

Deflation fits the mandate just fine... The mandate is to keep prices fairly stable.  2% is the upper limit for inflation, not the minimum.
legendary
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April 26, 2012, 01:53:30 PM
http://seekingalpha.com/article/525521-russia-and-mexico-both-buy-nearly-1-billion-worth-of-gold-in-march

so the Fed is really going to turn control of the global monetary system over to Russia and Mexico?
legendary
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April 26, 2012, 01:46:11 PM
Deflation is not in the mandate either. It's supposed be 2% inflation. They manipulate the figures to make it higher though.
legendary
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April 26, 2012, 01:37:05 PM
The federal reserve can keep rates low by inflating, when will cypherdoc ever get it?

There is a great deal of USDs held in foreign reserves.  Foreigners are already losing faith in the dollar, and if the Fed keeps printing, many of those USDs will be dumped on the market since the only reason they are held is to preserve value.  If hyperinflation really in keeping with the Fed's dual mandate?  No.  Are they smart enough to realize this?  I sure hope so.  Will a long-delayed period of deflation help shore up the value of the USD and convince those foreigner to keep holding?  Likely.
legendary
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April 26, 2012, 01:33:29 PM
The federal reserve can keep rates low by inflating, when will cypherdoc ever get it?
legendary
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April 26, 2012, 10:13:46 AM
up up up, cept for aapl and btc..

The correlation continues!!

And since I haven't done it in a few days:


this thread was started 3/13

Bitcoin  5.40

Gold 1690.


today 4/26

Bitcoin 5.09   (down ~6%)

Gold 1656  (down ~2%)


Gold still hasn't collapsed,  Bitcoin still isn't up.

AAPL 605
legendary
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April 26, 2012, 09:51:52 AM
Apple wash, rinse, repeat.
legendary
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April 26, 2012, 09:04:39 AM
perhaps you don't know.  the demand for credit is non-existent, hence the low rates.

Normally you talk a lot of sense cypherdoc; but it's worrying that you think central bank interest rates have anything to do with demand for credit.  They should have everything to do with demand for credit; but the rate is not set by a market, it's set by a committee.

well i think there are differing opinions on this, like the horse before the buggy or vice versa.  the only area of consumer loans that has grown over the last 4 yrs is in the student loan arena and thats more a bad sign than anything else.  the kids can't get work so they decide to go to school instead and get degrees from worthless predatory lenders like the Univ. of Phoenix via Sallie Mae.

since the demand is so low, interest rates will naturally fall, but you're right that the central banks try to lower rates to boost demand by buying UST's in the open market creating artificial demand (~60-70% of demand is from the Fed); the problem is it isn't working.  you can't force ordinary ppl or corporations to borrow; the old pushing on a string analogy.  this is why the economy refuses to get back to ordinary growth; we already have too many debts and we're tapped out.

as bitcool says above, somehow consumers are spending but its b/c they're decreasing their savings rate.  thats not a good long term strategy.

eventually the bond vigilantes will come to the US.  they've been hibernating for 30 yrs.  and then the Fed will find they've lost control of interest rates.  you see that the CB's in Europe have already had this happen to them.
hero member
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April 26, 2012, 04:07:41 AM
perhaps you don't know.  the demand for credit is non-existent, hence the low rates.

Normally you talk a lot of sense cypherdoc; but it's worrying that you think central bank interest rates have anything to do with demand for credit.  They should have everything to do with demand for credit; but the rate is not set by a market, it's set by a committee.
legendary
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Live and enjoy experiments
April 25, 2012, 10:33:26 PM
perhaps you don't know.  the demand for credit is non-existent, hence the low rates.
Consumers are spending, it's like they are showing the middle finger to Mr. Frugality after a few years of belt-tightening.   
legendary
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April 25, 2012, 05:49:52 PM
perhaps you don't know.  the demand for credit is non-existent, hence the low rates.

The demand for credit is stratospheric. However, the demand for safety is greater. End result: stagnation.


The demand will only get greater as banks need bailing out again and again forcing central banks to inflate. Banks do have a lot of excess reserves which they haven't flooded out into the system yet. What about governments? They always need money to finance the deficits and we are seeing that their solution is to now monetise the debt directly from central bank purchases. The US pretty much has this sorted, as Greenspan said, the US wont default. At least not on the nominal debt obligations but it will default in some sense through inflation. So in the future I think direct monetisation of debt is more likely than general inflating, especially when faith is lost in US treasuries.
newbie
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April 25, 2012, 04:04:40 PM
I noticed that sudden spike in the price from $4 to well over $5 last week.

It had been steadily traded at 4 dollars before then so I was curious if promotional awareness could be related to it.

Or possibly a big purchase from a mining pool to an independent contractor.

Either way its great new for businesses and lenders to have the bitcoin have a sudden spike and then remain stable.

Of course we will have to see how long this increase in price maintains before we can make any lasting judgments.


-Deathbylollipop CEO
legendary
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April 25, 2012, 03:54:57 PM
perhaps you don't know.  the demand for credit is non-existent, hence the low rates.

The demand for credit is stratospheric. However, the demand for safety is greater. End result: stagnation.

Does this sound familiar? Which gold price are new trade transactions using?

Any guess as to why gold is refusing to break down? I'm impressed that even the paper side is staying aloft.

Recall our discussion a while back about the difference in transparency between Bitcoin and gold, and why I'm only investing - not trading outside of Bitcoin.

I think you'll like the asteroid mining article, though.
legendary
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April 25, 2012, 12:26:48 PM
The attack on gold failed.

We have been talking about debt collapse, with low rates, easy credit, it wont happen.
legendary
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April 25, 2012, 12:05:09 PM
Guess you don't know how the economy works then. Oh well. Only way to keep rates super low is with massive artificial supply of credit.

perhaps you don't know.  the demand for credit is non-existent, hence the low rates.
legendary
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April 25, 2012, 11:54:00 AM
Guess you don't know how the economy works then. Oh well. Only way to keep rates super low is with massive artificial supply of credit.
legendary
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April 25, 2012, 11:51:06 AM
Boring fed meeting..

Business as usual.

The country is doing crappy, but gotta be crappier before we print faster then we currently are.. (which is crazy fast, lol)



By saying they are keeping rates low until at least 2014 means inflation inflation inflation. Same story and will remain so for some time.

low interest rates are a sign of Deflation whether you think they're manipulated or not.
legendary
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April 25, 2012, 11:48:29 AM
Boring fed meeting..

Business as usual.

The country is doing crappy, but gotta be crappier before we print faster then we currently are.. (which is crazy fast, lol)



By saying they are keeping rates low until at least 2014 means inflation inflation inflation. Same story and will remain so for some time.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
April 25, 2012, 11:46:34 AM
Boring fed meeting..

Business as usual.

The country is doing crappy, but gotta be crappier before we print faster then we currently are.. (which is crazy fast, lol)



the problem is that "boring" isn't acceptable.  for markets to keep rising they need "stimulus".
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