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legendary
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June 08, 2015, 03:57:16 PM
well, buried throughout all TPTB_need_war's bullshit is quite a bit of back and forth regarding Monero.  my problem with it is pretty much as rocks outlined.  it's an entirely new protocol.  that by itself is not necessarily the  problem but it is for network effects and confidence for a new form of money, imo.  for instance, Bitcoin is open source and supposed to be adaptable to changing conditions, especially those hostile, so we've been told.  if it fails to adapt to a threat like the 1MB choking of tx's then it cannot adapt and grow and will fail as a new form of money, imo.  that's b/c it is unacceptable for the current network of investors who have stored their coins in cold storage to be expected to dig them out and transfer them to a totally new money on a different protocol like Monero.  that would cause huge losses for us while huge gains for the early Monero adopters. great for them, horrible for us.  in that scenario, i consider cryptocurrencies to be a failure as i would conclude that they are all then a form of Ponzi scheme.  that doesn't mean it won't happen though but is the reason for the extreme resistance to it's adoption from the economic majority who are currently invested in Bitcoin.

and also for the constant pimping of Monero you see here in this thread.

I understand; nevertheless, don't you think there will be another usable cryptocurrency apart from BTC? I don't support XMR will be it (even though I already have a position that certifies my curiosity and will hopefully gratify my early confidence), but I really want to know, BTC is all you have afaic crypto?

there's this whole concept of a network effect which is no stronger than in that of money.  money, after all, is supposed to be the most liquid of all "assets", a bearer instrument, as some like to call it.  no counterparty required, all debts settled in it.

for thousands of years there really was just one worldwide money; gold.  maybe silver to a degree.  then came fiat, but only since 1971 purely.  the USD has been the reserve currency since Bretton Woods in 1948 but we fully depegged from gold in 1971.  the USD has been used as a settlement currency and for reserve worldwide ever since.  the problem with that is that the central banks have taken advantage of this situation to allow massive debt bubbles to arise by facilitating bailouts for corrupt banks who have gone out and leveraged up well beyond what has historically been considered safe at 10:1.  

so enter Bitcoin.  b/c it was derived from the internet, by the internet, and for the internet, it will become a global money, as it already seems to have occurred.  that is a good thing and will bring significant efficiencies and opportunities for all those who have access to the internet and smartphones.  there is no reason why Bitcoin cannot continue to fulfill those goals or ideals.  

Monero folk will tell you we need more anonymity.  sure, i'd like more but i think Bitcoin gives enough.  unless one can attach a human identity to each address in a linear sequence you can never be sure you can tie the ends to each other of say a 5 address sequence.   you might infer it but you'd have to do some investigative work which police can do if suspicious.  that's enough anonymity for the ordinary user not doing anything wrong.

in short, Bitcoin should be able to provide everything for everyone.  that's my opinion at least.
legendary
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Strange, yet attractive.
June 08, 2015, 03:33:34 PM
well, buried throughout all TPTB_need_war's bullshit is quite a bit of back and forth regarding Monero.  my problem with it is pretty much as rocks outlined.  it's an entirely new protocol.  that by itself is not necessarily the  problem but it is for network effects and confidence for a new form of money, imo.  for instance, Bitcoin is open source and supposed to be adaptable to changing conditions, especially those hostile, so we've been told.  if it fails to adapt to a threat like the 1MB choking of tx's then it cannot adapt and grow and will fail as a new form of money, imo.  that's b/c it is unacceptable for the current network of investors who have stored their coins in cold storage to be expected to dig them out and transfer them to a totally new money on a different protocol like Monero.  that would cause huge losses for us while huge gains for the early Monero adopters. great for them, horrible for us.  in that scenario, i consider cryptocurrencies to be a failure as i would conclude that they are all then a form of Ponzi scheme.  that doesn't mean it won't happen though but is the reason for the extreme resistance to it's adoption from the economic majority who are currently invested in Bitcoin.

and also for the constant pimping of Monero you see here in this thread.

I understand; nevertheless, don't you think there will be another usable cryptocurrency apart from BTC? I don't support XMR will be it (even though I already have a position that certifies my curiosity and will hopefully gratify my early confidence), but I really want to know, BTC is all you have afaic crypto?
full member
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June 08, 2015, 03:32:36 PM
i find 21's two yr experience in mining very encouraging/exciting in anticipation of their ability to roll out relevant IOT asic chips, esp for smartphones.  that should drive things like batshit:

https://i.imgur.com/keXaz8c.png

wow, thanks for the link
legendary
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June 08, 2015, 03:25:22 PM
kazuki, & the other Monero and 1MB pimps.

I think this makes us about even: you were a few months before me in shifting from silver to BTC, and I was a little bit before you in the transition from BTC to Monero.

except i'm not making any transition to Monero.  oh well...

Is there any reasoning backing up your decision? I'd love to start such a discussion if you don't mind. Smiley

well, buried throughout all TPTB_need_war's bullshit is quite a bit of back and forth regarding Monero.  my problem with it is pretty much as rocks outlined.  it's an entirely new protocol.  that by itself is not necessarily the  problem but it is for network effects and confidence for a new form of money, imo.  for instance, Bitcoin is open source and supposed to be adaptable to changing conditions, especially those hostile, so we've been told.  if it fails to adapt to a threat like the 1MB choking of tx's then it cannot adapt and grow and will fail as a new form of money, imo.  that's b/c it is unacceptable for the current network of investors who have stored their coins in cold storage to be expected to dig them out and transfer them to a totally new money on a different protocol like Monero.  that would cause huge losses for us while huge gains for the early Monero adopters. great for them, horrible for us.  in that scenario, i consider cryptocurrencies to be a failure as i would conclude that they are all then a form of Ponzi scheme.  that doesn't mean it won't happen though but is the reason for the extreme resistance to it's adoption from the economic majority who are currently invested in Bitcoin.

and also for the constant pimping of Monero you see here in this thread.
legendary
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June 08, 2015, 03:21:33 PM
i find 21's two yr experience in mining very encouraging/exciting in anticipation of their ability to roll out relevant IOT asic chips, esp for smartphones.  that should drive things like batshit:

https://i.imgur.com/keXaz8c.png

Where are those images coming from? I saw it posted on reddit, but what's the actual source?

their ip address.  i think.

I don't understand... how can an image come from an ip address?

yeah, not sure where it came from.  am going to ask the OP.

Thanks!
legendary
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June 08, 2015, 03:12:41 PM
i find 21's two yr experience in mining very encouraging/exciting in anticipation of their ability to roll out relevant IOT asic chips, esp for smartphones.  that should drive things like batshit:

https://i.imgur.com/keXaz8c.png

Where are those images coming from? I saw it posted on reddit, but what's the actual source?

their ip address.  i think.

I don't understand... how can an image come from an ip address?

yeah, not sure where it came from.  am going to ask the OP.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
June 08, 2015, 03:09:12 PM
i find 21's two yr experience in mining very encouraging/exciting in anticipation of their ability to roll out relevant IOT asic chips, esp for smartphones.  that should drive things like batshit:

https://i.imgur.com/keXaz8c.png

Where are those images coming from? I saw it posted on reddit, but what's the actual source?

their ip address.  i think.

I don't understand... how can an image come from an ip address?

hold on.  i'm trying to find the source of 45.55.165.166
legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1000
June 08, 2015, 03:07:43 PM
i find 21's two yr experience in mining very encouraging/exciting in anticipation of their ability to roll out relevant IOT asic chips, esp for smartphones.  that should drive things like batshit:

https://i.imgur.com/keXaz8c.png

Where are those images coming from? I saw it posted on reddit, but what's the actual source?

their ip address.  i think.

I don't understand... how can an image come from an ip address?
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1002
Strange, yet attractive.
June 08, 2015, 03:05:18 PM
kazuki, & the other Monero and 1MB pimps.

I think this makes us about even: you were a few months before me in shifting from silver to BTC, and I was a little bit before you in the transition from BTC to Monero.

except i'm not making any transition to Monero.  oh well...

Is there any reasoning backing up your decision? I'd love to start such a discussion if you don't mind. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
June 08, 2015, 03:05:07 PM
i find 21's two yr experience in mining very encouraging/exciting in anticipation of their ability to roll out relevant IOT asic chips, esp for smartphones.  that should drive things like batshit:

https://i.imgur.com/keXaz8c.png

Where are those images coming from? I saw it posted on reddit, but what's the actual source?

their ip address.  i think.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
June 08, 2015, 03:02:29 PM
kazuki, & the other Monero and 1MB pimps.

I think this makes us about even: you were a few months before me in shifting from silver to BTC, and I was a little bit before you in the transition from BTC to Monero.

except i'm not making any transition to Monero.  oh well...
legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1000
June 08, 2015, 03:01:33 PM
i find 21's two yr experience in mining very encouraging/exciting in anticipation of their ability to roll out relevant IOT asic chips, esp for smartphones.  that should drive things like batshit:

https://i.imgur.com/keXaz8c.png

Where are those images coming from? I saw it posted on reddit, but what's the actual source?
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
June 08, 2015, 03:00:48 PM
i find 21's two yr experience in mining very encouraging/exciting in anticipation of their ability to roll out relevant IOT asic chips, esp for smartphones.  that should drive things like batshit:

https://i.imgur.com/keXaz8c.png
donator
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June 08, 2015, 02:59:14 PM
kazuki, & the other Monero and 1MB pimps.

I think this makes us about even: you were a few months before me in shifting from silver to BTC, and I was a little bit before you in the transition from BTC to Monero.
legendary
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Merit: 1002
June 08, 2015, 02:53:36 PM
oh please come back TPTB_need_war, please come back!  it's been almost 12h and you are nowhere to be seen?

was i right?  were you here just to troll little ol' cypherdoc with all your bullshit, obfuscation, hubris, and narcissism?  that would be quite flattering.  it couldn't be THAT easy to get rid of you by putting you on Ignore?  could it?  i need you to keep pushing the thread to the top of the forum to get views.  you've contributed greatly to it's popularity and my message of Bitcoin UP!

you need to come back or else it will be very bad for all your fellow mini-trolls like marcus, iCE, tvbcof, kazuki, & the other Monero and 1MB pimps.  that's b/c my head will grow so big and my arrogance so large knowing i'm that important that it will be sufferably intolerable for them.  b/c they love this thread and can't stay away.  seriously:



You are more spot-on than you might realize.  A good part of what draws me to this thread is indeed watching your head swell.  I bet you are as surprised as I am that there was sufficient pressure for your head to achieve the dimensions it has, and more than that, the native abilities which your mind has to draw in the following.

I strongly encourage lurkers who are not yet 'found out' to add to this pressure because the resulting display is very amusing.



thank you.

see, i told you, you can't stay away.
legendary
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June 08, 2015, 02:50:47 PM
oh please come back TPTB_need_war, please come back!  it's been almost 12h and you are nowhere to be seen?

was i right?  were you here just to troll little ol' cypherdoc with all your bullshit, obfuscation, hubris, and narcissism?  that would be quite flattering.  it couldn't be THAT easy to get rid of you by putting you on Ignore?  could it?  i need you to keep pushing the thread to the top of the forum to get views.  you've contributed greatly to it's popularity and my message of Bitcoin UP!

you need to come back or else it will be very bad for all your fellow mini-trolls like marcus, iCE, tvbcof, kazuki, & the other Monero and 1MB pimps.  that's b/c my head will grow so big and my arrogance so large knowing i'm that important that it will be sufferably intolerable for them.  b/c they love this thread and can't stay away.  seriously:



You are more spot-on than you might realize.  A good part of what draws me to this thread is indeed watching your head swell.  I bet you are as surprised as I am that there was sufficient pressure for your head to achieve the dimensions it has, and more than that, the native abilities which your mind has to draw in the following.

I strongly encourage lurkers who are not yet 'found out' to add to this pressure because the resulting display is very amusing.

legendary
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June 08, 2015, 02:48:39 PM
no late day pump.  that's not good.  c'mon Janet:

legendary
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June 08, 2015, 02:41:47 PM
oh please come back TPTB_need_war, please come back!  it's been almost 12h and you are nowhere to be seen?

was i right?  were you here just to troll little ol' cypherdoc with all your bullshit, obfuscation, hubris, and narcissism?  that would be quite flattering.  it couldn't be THAT easy to get rid of you by me putting you on Ignore?  could it?  i need you to keep pushing the thread to the top of the forum to get views.  you've contributed greatly to it's popularity and my message of Bitcoin UP!

you need to come back or else it will be very bad for all your fellow mini-trolls like marcus, iCE, tvbcof, kazuki, & the other Monero and 1MB pimps.  that's b/c my head will grow so big and my arrogance so large knowing i'm that important that it will be sufferably intolerable for them.  b/c they love this thread and can't stay away.  seriously:

full member
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Colletrix - Bridging the Physical and Virtual Worl
June 08, 2015, 02:37:32 PM

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the real question is why that internal accounting wouldn't continue to be more efficient and even more secure using a traditional SQL database?  are they really having any internal accounting fraud to incentive them to set up an entirely foreign means of accounting that could be subject to unknown types of hacks from the outside or even inside?  what drives security of this model?  can't be POW.  w/o POW why couldn't it be gamed?

This is a good question.  I will ask around.  We need to first divide the problem into 2 systems:

1. Internal accounting for an external client.  Lawyers and many government sponsored projects need to carefully account for their time, for example.  The ability to track all the coins backwards lets you do that in a way that can't be retroactively "massaged"

2. Straight internal accounting.

I can make some guesses right now though... the point of keeping the actual $ away from the internal txns is to eliminate internal fraud.  However, there can be lots of other non-fraud issues -- like why is it always such a shocker when projects go over budget?  Examination of spending on an internal blockchain can show these trends before the annual monster audit.

In terms of security, there are lots of choices.  The most likely candidate would be where everyone runs SPV wallets, and the finance department runs a few trusted miner nodes.  We don't need to solve trustless consensus for this application -- the finance dept is not going to be 51%ing their own network because no mining reward, and blacklisting addresses is essentially a feature (if someone gets fired their CoCoin is automatically reaped for example).  What they really need is a database with immutable per-record signatures tied to company employees.    

Difficulty is "nice to have" because it makes it very hard in practice to rewrite the blockchain with a fake one starting from six months ago (say).  But even if the finance dept bought 100x its baseline mining capacity to do some massive 6 month ago fork of the blockchain to a completely fraudulent record, it would take massive company-wide participation in the fraud since everyone would have to surrender their private keys.

... or the finance department could outsource mining to the Bitcoin network . . .  internal and external accounting come for free ...

In other words, the advantage of having an in-house blockchain remains unclear  (beyond than what the article says, i.e., to get employees used to innovative open source software).
legendary
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June 08, 2015, 02:35:11 PM
I use moderation as a gauge of credibility.
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Moderation of a thread is for weak-ass losers IMHO.
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censorship

Every reasonably advanced thread is indistinguishable from magic, and therefore attracts non-intelligence and trolls like a honeypot. Letting them destroy the vestiges of readable discussion that might once have existed, is your holy commission.  Huh

Bet you don't even have a thread as you seem not to care about your readers even that much  Embarrassed Tongue

on reflection cyphor would have probably been band from may other threads,  Cheesy

actually, no.  i'm very respectful for the most part in other threads.  it's here, where i have a platform that has become quite popular that encourages all the trolls who dislike my message to come in here and provoke me for a variety of reasons.  yes, provoke.  that's usually when i go off.  but that's my view of it though.
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