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legendary
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May 09, 2015, 12:15:53 PM
^Yeeeahhhh ignored ^ Roll Eyes

I just succumbed..we are weak! Smiley
legendary
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May 09, 2015, 12:14:51 PM
^Yeeeahhhh ignored ^ Roll Eyes
sr. member
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May 09, 2015, 12:14:18 PM
It was you who called Justus disingenuous.

And I am factually correct.

He is attempting to protect his buddy and failed the logic miserably.
hero member
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May 09, 2015, 12:13:10 PM

It's about TPTB_need_war, AKA AnonyMint, AKA TheFascistMind.

Character assassination attempt detected.



It was you who called Justus disingenuous.
sr. member
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May 09, 2015, 12:12:29 PM
well this has sadly always been the problem of anonymint.

I speak frankly and accurately. With precise logic, because I am a programmer.

I don't deal with people who have fuzzy logic, low reading comprehension such as I just explained above for the case of justusranvier.

There is nothing sad about not wasting time on B-listers and altcoins going nowhere no matter how many B-listers you have working on it.
legendary
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May 09, 2015, 12:12:09 PM

It's about TPTB_need_war, AKA AnonyMint, AKA TheFascistMind.
What the hell is wrong with not needing to rely on the crutch of my extensive reputation because I can intentionally close my Hero account (before the BCX incident!) and as a newbie be immediately respected as credible, accurate, logical, etc?

Lol.
sr. member
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May 09, 2015, 12:10:51 PM
You are violating the fundamental tenet of Satoshi's white paper which is decentralized trust, meaning we don't have to trust that people are honest.

Note I didn't write what you bolded, i.e. I didn't write that he violated any random statement in the whitepaper. I wrote specifically he is violating the fundamental tenet which I asserted is, "decentralized trust, meaning we don't have to trust that people are honest".

Fundamental tenet is not the same as some aside for the abnormal case of 50% attack.

Since you seem to lack logic skills, you are a waste of my time.

Fuck off.
legendary
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Imposition of ORder = Escalation of Chaos
May 09, 2015, 12:10:41 PM
well this has sadly always been the problem of anonymint. He seems to have interesting ideas and insights but makes it extremely hard to penetrate them and engage in meaningful discussion due to his confrontational and arrogant style of posting. When you keep calling anyone and everyone dickheads while gloating about your superior intelligence and insight, it's hard to have a constructive discussion. I found this to be sad, because I wanted to talk about what he had to say (seemed interesting in many aspects), but gave up eventually because of that.

Everyone please be nice to each other. This thread has some interesting and insightful discussions at time (I know I have learned a lot here) and the price of admission for that kind of level of discourse is that we don't let our egos run rampant here.
sr. member
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May 09, 2015, 12:07:05 PM
justusranvier, keep trying to obfuscate your slander instead of apologizing for your mistake.
legendary
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May 09, 2015, 12:04:47 PM
Yeah just keep on doing what you're doing dickhead (do you expect me to be nice after you intentionally slander me twice and both times you are in error?).

There you are being either "not the sharpest tool in the shed" or intentionally disingenuous again. There is no correlation between what Cypherdoc wrote and the whitepaper....
Let's put some context in those quotes:

2 things:

1.  i think ppl under-appreciate the extent to which all participants in Bitcoin, including miners, volunteer and want to be part of a system that has the potential to make themselves extraordinary profits if it works as intended that being in an open, honest manner.  there's a lot at stake in constructing a new financial system and those profits can only be made if it works properly as advertised in that open and honest manner that ordinary ppl can depend on.  this is what will result in the trust needed so that the vast majority of humanity can buy into such a reliable system.

2.  i think that the majority of ppl in this world want to be honest and wish to live in a society that has order.  no one wants to live in chaos.  everybody loses.  in order for society to continue to progress and evolve, order, dependability, and a semblance of honesty is needed.  thus, in a system with so much potential to do good, like Bitcoin, the overwhelming desire is for participants to want to do what makes the system thrive.  to the extent that cheating, dishonesty, and colluding erodes confidence and threatens that goal, most participants will avoid those activities.

I don't know about everyone else, but it looks to me like Cypherdoc's point #2 clearly follows from point #1.

Where else have I heard something like point #1 expressed before?

2.  i think that the majority of ppl in this world want to be honest and wish to live in a society that has order.  no one wants to live in chaos.  everybody loses.  in order for society to continue to progress and evolve, order, dependability, and a semblance of honesty is needed.  thus, in a system with so much potential to do good, like Bitcoin, the overwhelming desire is for participants to want to do what makes the system thrive.  to the extent that cheating, dishonesty, and colluding erodes confidence and threatens that goal, most participants will avoid those activities.

That is the same faith we put into a top-down democracy. Fact is a power vacuum sucks in those who can maximize the exploitation of the power vacuum.

You are violating the fundamental tenet of Satoshi's white paper which is decentralized trust, meaning we don't have to trust that people are honest.

Maybe it would help your argument if you employed more insults, or maybe created a few new sockpuppet accounts.

Since logic, evidence, and rational discourse don't appear to be in your toolbox, just stick with the "shouting down your opponents" approach.
sr. member
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May 09, 2015, 11:54:33 AM

It's about TPTB_need_war, AKA AnonyMint, AKA TheFascistMind.

Character assassination attempt detected.

What the hell is wrong with not needing to rely on the crutch of my extensive reputation because I can intentionally close my Hero account (before the BCX incident!) and as a newbie be immediately respected as credible, accurate, logical, etc?

Any other dick envy you care to share today?
sr. member
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May 09, 2015, 11:52:40 AM
I have solved the design problem. I now know the Holy Grail design we need for crypto-currency.

sure you do.

Gloat while you can. You will eat those words.
sr. member
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May 09, 2015, 11:47:15 AM
You've always been the disingenuous debater in every discussion I've ever had with you.

Cypherdoc expresses the security model (economic incentives to ensure miner honesty) nearly word-for-word out of the Bitcoin whitepaper, you accuse him of violating the (incorrectly) cite the whitepaper to say that he's wrong, I quote the section in question, and then you accuse me of being disingenuous?

Just keep on doing what you're doing - your own dishonesty is making my case better than anything I could say.

Yeah just keep on doing what you're doing dickhead (do you expect me to be nice after you intentionally slander me twice and both times you are in error?).

There you are being either "not the sharpest tool in the shed" or intentionally disingenuous again. There is no correlation between what Cypherdoc wrote and the whitepaper....

2.  i think that the majority of ppl in this world want to be honest and wish to live in a society that has order.  no one wants to live in chaos.  everybody loses.  in order for society to continue to progress and evolve, order, dependability, and a semblance of honesty is needed.  thus, in a system with so much potential to do good, like Bitcoin, the overwhelming desire is for participants to want to do what makes the system thrive.  to the extent that cheating, dishonesty, and colluding erodes confidence and threatens that goal, most participants will avoid those activities.

That is the same faith we put into a top-down democracy. Fact is a power vacuum sucks in those who can maximize the exploitation of the power vacuum.

You are violating the fundamental tenet of Satoshi's white paper which is decentralized trust, meaning we don't have to trust that people are honest.
...
legendary
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May 09, 2015, 11:22:16 AM


Has anyone reddited this yet? With the right title it should get 100 or more upvotes.
legendary
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May 09, 2015, 11:01:08 AM

It's about TPTB_need_war, AKA AnonyMint, AKA TheFascistMind.



that was an interesting read.  BCX has a known rep for attacking altcoins over the years.

so he never successfully attacked Monero then?

Nope, he didn't. He disappeared right after his own set deadline expired, so basically it was pure FUD. The reason(s) behind it is/are still not clear till this day.  

for the most part, i've always thought of BCX as an asset to Bitcoin mainly as an enforcer to altcoins.  not that i condone him causing financial pain for altcoin participants but in the sense that he is enforcing Satoshi's principles on a raw economic level, ie, "expect to be attacked if you stray away from first principles".

you have to give him credit for at least warning the Monero community that he intended to attack.  it sounds like it gave them an opportunity to mitigate and/or tune their code to prevent such a thing.  maybe that's why it never transpired?

Could also be it, I don't know the details of it though. Also, there were doubts about the authenticity of the account, some people suspected the account was sold before the "threat".

that Monero chart looks brutal:

--snip--

You are missing the end, I rather prefer this chart:



Btw, most altcoin charts look like this, when btc declines, most alts decline even worse. Also, the first top of 0.01 was during the crazy pre-mintpal pump. I wasn't around back then so I hope smooth can elaborate more on this matter, but for some reason it was insanely pumped by whales back then.

Furthermore, unlike most other altcoins, Monero was fairly launched (http://devtome.com./doku.php?id=a_massive_investigation_of_instamines_and_fastmines_for_the_top_alt_coins#monero). It has a relatively high inflation though, which could also be a reason for the "bearish/declining" chart.

PS: Remember that Monero was launched during a BTC bearmarket, chart would probably looked a whole lot different when launched during a bullmarket.
legendary
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May 09, 2015, 10:53:04 AM

It's about TPTB_need_war, AKA AnonyMint, AKA TheFascistMind.



that was an interesting read.  BCX has a known rep for attacking altcoins over the years.

so he never successfully attacked Monero then?

Nope, he didn't. He disappeared right after his own set deadline expired, so basically it was pure FUD. The reason(s) behind it is/are still not clear till this day.  

for the most part, i've always thought of BCX as an asset to Bitcoin mainly as an enforcer to altcoins.  not that i condone him causing financial pain for altcoin participants but in the sense that he is enforcing Satoshi's principles on a raw economic level, ie, "expect to be attacked if you stray away from first principles".

you have to give him credit for at least warning the Monero community that he intended to attack.  it sounds like it gave them an opportunity to mitigate and/or tune their code to prevent such a thing.  maybe that's why it never transpired?

Could also be it, I don't know the details of it though. Also, there were doubts about the authenticity of the account, some people suspected the account was sold before the "threat".

that Monero chart looks brutal:

legendary
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May 09, 2015, 10:48:49 AM

It's about TPTB_need_war, AKA AnonyMint, AKA TheFascistMind.



that was an interesting read.  BCX has a known rep for attacking altcoins over the years.

so he never successfully attacked Monero then?

Nope, he didn't. He disappeared right after his own set deadline expired, so basically it was pure FUD. The reason(s) behind it is/are still not clear till this day.  

for the most part, i've always thought of BCX as an asset to Bitcoin mainly as an enforcer to altcoins.  not that i condone him causing financial pain for altcoin participants but in the sense that he is enforcing Satoshi's principles on a raw economic level, ie, "expect to be attacked if you stray away from first principles".

you have to give him credit for at least warning the Monero community that he intended to attack.  it sounds like it gave them an opportunity to mitigate and/or tune their code to prevent such a thing.  maybe that's why it never transpired?

Could also be it, I don't know the details of it though. Also, there were doubts about the authenticity of the account, some people suspected the account was sold before the "threat".
legendary
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May 09, 2015, 10:44:18 AM

It's about TPTB_need_war, AKA AnonyMint, AKA TheFascistMind.



that was an interesting read.  BCX has a known rep for attacking altcoins over the years.

so he never successfully attacked Monero then?

Nope, he didn't. He disappeared right after his own set deadline expired, so basically it was pure FUD. The reason(s) behind it is/are still not clear till this day.  

for the most part, i've always thought of BCX as an asset to Bitcoin mainly as an enforcer to altcoins.  not that i condone him causing financial pain for altcoin participants but in the sense that he is enforcing Satoshi's principles on a raw economic level, ie, "expect to be attacked if you stray away from first principles".

you have to give him credit for at least warning the Monero community that he intended to attack.  it sounds like it gave them an opportunity to mitigate and/or tune their code to prevent such a thing.  maybe that's why it never transpired?
legendary
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May 09, 2015, 10:39:33 AM

It's about TPTB_need_war, AKA AnonyMint, AKA TheFascistMind.



that was an interesting read.  BCX has a known rep for attacking altcoins over the years.

so he never successfully attacked Monero then?

Nope, he didn't. He disappeared right after his own set deadline expired, so basically it was pure FUD. The reason(s) behind it is/are still not clear till this day.  
legendary
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May 09, 2015, 10:29:14 AM
I have solved the design problem. I now know the Holy Grail design we need for crypto-currency.

sure you do.
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