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legendary
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January 16, 2015, 12:27:38 PM
So what makes you so confident in Bitcoin. There are new risks, that could change what I have believed to be the inevitable success of Bitcoin over the last 4 years. That is mainly SideChains could destroy Bitcoin as we know it, and then there is a deluge of coins that could hit the market if a particular ETF is outright rejected.

The serious question being how can you know how the Bitcoin protocol doesn't fall victim to political manipulation?
I am not certain Bitcoin will be successful.

But if it does ultimately succeed, then I want to own as many of them as possible.

Therefore, I like low prices.
legendary
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January 16, 2015, 12:24:57 PM
Wow alpari went under? They were a big one mist have gone long as a market maker... i would have thoight they made money in all of this...

The gap is a result of bots and large funds moving instantly probably ppl in the know or banks learning of it seems they all sold at once. Like I said there were ppl who laready knew and sold before even weeks before. This is why central banks must die.. centralization
legendary
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January 16, 2015, 12:24:02 PM
draghi doesnt really care about eurchf but more eurusd.. snb cares about eurchf

same box.  also small:

legendary
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January 16, 2015, 12:20:15 PM
It is going to be epic.

it is.  and is why i have so much hope for Bitcoin, as well as being so protective about its money function.

thing is, central bankers will never fully agree, let alone gvts.  Yellen must've fallen out of her bed screaming her pretty (?) little head off when she heard what the SNB did.  when it comes down to it, everyone will do what's best for themselves, in this case countries.

which is why Bitcoin is destined to survive and prosper b/c it is the only protection we have against these corrupt forces.
legendary
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January 16, 2015, 12:19:22 PM
this is the disruption of currency markets that all we Bitcoiners have been waiting for:
I'd be quite happy with another year of low BTC prices, actually.

I'm quite convinced we're in for a long slow grind at this level, until possibility we see mining turned on its head.

Serious question.

So what makes you so confident in Bitcoin. There are new risks, that could change what I have believed to be the inevitable success of Bitcoin over the last 4 years. That is mainly SideChains could destroy Bitcoin as we know it, and then there is a deluge of coins that could hit the market if a particular ETF is outright rejected.

The serious question being how can you know how the Bitcoin protocol doesn't fall victim to political manipulation?
legendary
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January 16, 2015, 12:18:20 PM
draghi doesnt really care about eurchf but more eurusd.. snb cares about eurchf
legendary
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yes
January 16, 2015, 12:13:50 PM
It is going to be epic.
legendary
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January 16, 2015, 12:06:52 PM
such a small, little box Draghi suddenly finds himself in.  you're dead if you do, you're dead if you don't:

legendary
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January 16, 2015, 12:00:27 PM
Without selling you are just another BTC bagholder.

unless i'm right.
full member
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January 16, 2015, 11:56:05 AM
Yeah, also called a ponzi  Wink
We need lots of new retards to buy in to push the price above 1000$.
And most speculators will sell after 200% price increase (otherwise they are plain stupid).

You just need to buy low and sell with a profit. Selling is the most important thing. Without selling you are just another BTC bagholder.
legendary
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January 16, 2015, 11:49:22 AM
i know exactly what their stated objective was.  and it was a stupid policy to begin with called "market manipulation".  devaluing the CHF at the expense of the ppl's purchasing power only helps the corporations and gvt.  and don't give me any bullshit about "trickle down" effects.  this is and will always be the dichotomous battle btwn big and little and Bitcoin is shifting the power to choose back to the ppl. 

you'd better look the hell out and buy some Bitcoin before you get left behind.

No offense, I still bag hold some BTC from the early days. But sold most of them after the dead cat bounce of the 2013 bubble.
The power back to the PPL? Are you retarded? A few suckers hold most of the BTC in circulation. BTC are even worse distributed than fiat.

you just refuted your own point.  you "sold" most of them, aka, distributed them to more ppl.  that's what these huge retraces in price serve to do; redistribute.  750,000 coins traded hands in this last push down.  that's GOOD.  new, fresh, additional strong hands enter the mkt and wait for their profit to be realized in the next push up and they sell.  cycle repeats.  this is how bull mkts work; one continuous rollercoaster ride that bucks most of the "bulls" off to redistribute. 
legendary
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January 16, 2015, 11:45:34 AM
"dead cat" bounce; retracing already:

full member
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January 16, 2015, 11:45:06 AM
i know exactly what their stated objective was.  and it was a stupid policy to begin with called "market manipulation".  devaluing the CHF at the expense of the ppl's purchasing power only helps the corporations and gvt.  and don't give me any bullshit about "trickle down" effects.  this is and will always be the dichotomous battle btwn big and little and Bitcoin is shifting the power to choose back to the ppl. 

you'd better look the hell out and buy some Bitcoin before you get left behind.

No offense, I still bag hold some BTC from the early days. But sold most of them after the dead cat bounce of the 2013 bubble.
The power back to the PPL? Are you retarded? A few suckers hold most of the BTC in circulation. BTC are even worse distributed than fiat.
legendary
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January 16, 2015, 11:42:44 AM
lol.  thanks for making my points.  yeah, that manipulation is exactly what lead to this mess and a bunch of forex brokers going broke yesterday and today.  great policy moves, dude.  that's what you get when a small bunch of unelected egotistical morons are allowed to control the printing presses of an entire nation which then causes enormous ripple effects across the entire world.  you moron.


You still do not know what the SNB does. They did not print money for the fun of it... but that is hard to understand as tinfoil hut user. Probably you should do their job. Wonderful future with a brain of 4th grader at this position.

i know exactly what their stated objective was.  and it was a stupid policy to begin with called "market manipulation".  devaluing the CHF at the expense of the ppl's purchasing power only helps the corporations and gvt.  and don't give me any bullshit about "trickle down" effects.  this is and will always be the dichotomous battle btwn big and little and Bitcoin is shifting the power to choose back to the ppl. 

you'd better look the hell out and buy some Bitcoin before you get left behind.
full member
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January 16, 2015, 11:33:26 AM
lol.  thanks for making my points.  yeah, that manipulation is exactly what lead to this mess and a bunch of forex brokers going broke yesterday and today.  great policy moves, dude.  that's what you get when a small bunch of unelected egotistical morons are allowed to control the printing presses of an entire nation which then causes enormous ripple effects across the entire world.  you moron.


You still do not know what the SNB does. They did not print money for the fun of it... but that is hard to understand as tinfoil hut user. Probably you should do their job. Wonderful future with a brain of 4th grader at this position.
legendary
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January 16, 2015, 11:30:53 AM
this is the disruption of currency markets that all we Bitcoiners have been waiting for:
I'd be quite happy with another year of low BTC prices, actually.
legendary
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January 16, 2015, 11:23:35 AM
this is the disruption of currency markets that all we Bitcoiners have been waiting for:

AHAHAHAHAHAH.
No offense, but still, you are retarded.
Do you even know what the SNB does? Do you even know that they bought 3 years EUR to hold down the CHF ?

But keep believing you tinfoil hut theory. Better get a job and earn you money than hoping for a BTC miracle.

lol.  thanks for making my points.  yeah, that manipulation is exactly what lead to this mess and a bunch of forex brokers going broke yesterday and today.  great policy moves, dude.  that's what you get when a small bunch of unelected egotistical morons are allowed to control the printing presses of an entire nation which then causes enormous ripple effects across the entire world.  you moron.
full member
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January 16, 2015, 11:10:05 AM
this is the disruption of currency markets that all we Bitcoiners have been waiting for:

AHAHAHAHAHAH.
No offense, but still, you are retarded.
Do you even know what the SNB does? Do you even know that they bought 3 years EUR to hold down the CHF ?

But keep believing you tinfoil hut theory. Better get a job and earn you money than hoping for a BTC miracle.
legendary
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January 16, 2015, 11:04:08 AM
here's the zoomed in 1min chart of the EUR/CHF decision.  notice the gap in time btwn the 2nd & 3rd down bars is 54 min.  why?  was it a market halt?  usually, afaik, currency trading in my TOS app is 24/7.  it would be interesting to find out the time of the official release.  also note the initial 2 down bars; frontrunning?  how could it not be?  obviously, a small group of interested men debated this decision for days, weeks, if not months before hand and knew very well the implications.  

this is the disruption of currency markets that all we Bitcoiners have been waiting for:

legendary
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January 16, 2015, 10:53:58 AM
Cypher (or someone who feels like they can properly explain it): can you please ELI5 why sidechains will break the incentive mechanism? I haven't been able to follow this thread as well as I used to.

I think (cypher can correct me) its because taking transactions off (main)chain reduces fee-based income for miners. When the block reward dwindles after several halving that is their only incentive to mine. If they have no incentive, then they will not mine, the network will become more vulnerable.

eh ok, there must be some way to count off chain transactions and then credit the miners appropriately. I'm not saying this would be a trivial change, but this scenario is probably 10 years away minimum and I find it fairly difficult to believe that there is no way to get around this between now and then.

it has already been coded.

secure, cheap, off-chain tx is a solved problem. SC or max block size increases are not needed for increasing max TX throughput.

PM me if you are genuinely interested and not just shooting the breeze on a forum.

Do you have some kind of white paper?
Is it an open source project?


Do you have some kind of white paper?   NO
Is it an open source project?    maybe yes, maybe no.  the pt is, is it secure and does it make sense economically?

for some, it may make sense economically as they will be willing to take the risk.  that's fine.  i can't stop ppl from making risky, if not downright stupid, decisions with their money.

but what i can try to prevent is "institutionalizing" risky protocol changes (spvp) that benefits a specific for-profit company at the expense of a public good, ie, Bitcoin as Sound Money.  yesterday's CHF decision should continue to highlight what i feel is Bitcoins greater purpose; that of replacing gold with a digital equivalent.  if Bitcoin is based on consensus, i sure won't ever be giving my consent to implementing spvp as i think it sends the wrong message to global markets that a self interested group can change the rules in the middle of the game.
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