The trick is knowing when it is good to take things away from bad people so that they are bad no longer.
Topic: Good and Bad are idiotic classifications, and don't work universally - page 2. (Read 244 times)
December 23, 2019, 05:05:27 AM
^^^ Knowing what you want and need in life, is essentially (with a few minor choice variations) knowing what other people want in life. "Bad" is to deny other people the same kinds of things that you want and need in life, or to take it away from them when they have it. "Good" is to allow them to keep the things they need in life, and to help them gain these things.
The trick is knowing when it is good to take things away from bad people so that they are bad no longer.
The trick is knowing when it is good to take things away from bad people so that they are bad no longer.
December 23, 2019, 05:00:29 AM
why are people still classyfy things into good and bad, its purely idiotic.
good and bad are often accompanied with humanism, religion, nationalism and even racism.
then good thing for someone can be a bad thing for someone else.
this makes people go mad that try to be politically correct, in order to survive.
regards
good and bad are often accompanied with humanism, religion, nationalism and even racism.
then good thing for someone can be a bad thing for someone else.
this makes people go mad that try to be politically correct, in order to survive.
regards
Anybody who believes that there is a standard of good and bad is probably living in denial because the real determinant is the factor in question. Someone would argue that killing is bad and even in certain climes, it attracts a death penalty but the same killing will be done by soldiers and they would earn a medal for it which means its the situations that determines whether it is good or bad and not the act itself. The same thing for stealing in certain climes stealing would attract some stiff punishment whereas some politicians will steal in the same clime would be give national honors.
December 20, 2019, 06:38:50 PM
why are people still classyfy things into good and bad, its purely idiotic.
good and bad are often accompanied with humanism, religion, nationalism and even racism.
then good thing for someone can be a bad thing for someone else.
this makes people go mad that try to be politically correct, in order to survive.
regards
good and bad are often accompanied with humanism, religion, nationalism and even racism.
then good thing for someone can be a bad thing for someone else.
this makes people go mad that try to be politically correct, in order to survive.
regards
Actually, there is good and bad in all of us... right inside our life essence. It's the constant struggle between these two things that kills us.
We need religion to show us what is right and what is wrong when we can't sort right and wrong out inside ourselves.
good and bad classifications are highly critical,
for example if someone fucks someone elses wife, he can be a good guy to that wife, and a good guy if the women gets pregnant and bores a child (good guy for the child)
but a bad guy for someone who was married to that wife, and had to raise up and pay for the child that isn't his, (if he was a racist).
we have to abandon in the west these classification in good and bad. especially in the west, it got out of hand, not that it was simultanously alighted with christian interest and later became humanist interest.
but also because it is simply incorrect.
Spiritual damage and harm are done when your example is done. There are much deeper things going on.
Everything has to be perfect. If there is imperfection in one, tiny instance of some law of physics, the whole of the universe would come crashing down.
Since the universe includes spirits and souls, that's why Jesus-God had to live a perfect life, and then die... to correct the spirit/soul imperfection in the universe... which is way more damaging than the physical.
Good and bad appear similarly inconsequential, because the sacrifice of Jesus has balanced out the bad, which was never supposed to exist in the first place.
Thinking that good and bad are relative, or that we can decide what is good and what is bad, is a failing on our part which is essentially bad. We need Bible law revelation, and consequence when bad abounded.
December 20, 2019, 06:11:21 PM
jes the biggest power kapitalist liberal usa defines what good and bad means, if there would be a different power dominant like the soviet union, it would be different, hedonism would be considered bad instead of good.
That would mean that both of those states are somehow different from each other. But we both know that this is in fact false.Look at China. It is in a way continuation of "soviet-ism". They are one of the biggest polluters on earth, they sell the most, they import mountains of resources to use, they also burn heavily while turning their land in to a concrete and asphalt deserts.
That's soviet-ism for you, absolute zero regards for the environment. I know this from my own experience, I have lived in post-soviet state, it was an ecological disaster. Any kind of authoritarian collectivism, deprived of individualism will do poorly, it will be bad. Freedom is always the answer, it grants us ways to expose the wrong doings of the state, it helps us to fight with hedonism of corporations and aids us with finding out about problems of our fellow earthlings.
December 20, 2019, 05:58:28 PM
good and bad need some kind of index,
something good for humanism can be at the same time bad for environmentalism.
etc.
Well, this index is usually called law codex something good for humanism can be at the same time bad for environmentalism.
etc.
But wouldn't you agree that things that are bad for the environment are at the same time bad for human species?
Burning stuff on massive scale for example, makes not only climate to be unstable but also makes air to be unbreathable.
Good solution is not to totally stop burning stuff but rather burn them in the most efficient way possible. Additional gases can be gathered and utilised in agricultural industry, replacing artificial fertilizers thus further reducing our carbon imprint.
Special stoves designed to cleanly burn tires, plastics and other trash must be researched and introduced in to economy freely.
This paraphrase seems to be the way to go; "there are many ways to skin a snake - Confucius". One of those ways, simply will be the good one because fossil fuels absolute resignation is not. I assumed this was your argument anyway.
jes the biggest power kapitalist liberal usa defines what good and bad means, if there would be a different power dominant like the soviet union, it would be different, hedonism would be considered bad instead of good.
December 20, 2019, 05:43:43 PM
good and bad need some kind of index,
something good for humanism can be at the same time bad for environmentalism.
etc.
Well, this index is usually called law codex something good for humanism can be at the same time bad for environmentalism.
etc.
But wouldn't you agree that things that are bad for the environment are at the same time bad for human species?
Burning stuff on massive scale for example, makes not only climate to be unstable but also makes air to be unbreathable.
Good solution is not to totally stop burning stuff but rather burn them in the most efficient way possible. Additional gases can be gathered and utilised in agricultural industry, replacing artificial fertilizers thus further reducing our carbon imprint.
Special stoves designed to cleanly burn tires, plastics and other trash must be researched and introduced in to economy freely.
This paraphrase seems to be the way to go; "there are many ways to skin a snake - Confucius". One of those ways, simply will be the good one because fossil fuels absolute resignation is not. I assumed this was your argument anyway.
December 20, 2019, 05:26:47 PM
why are people still classyfy things into good and bad, its purely idiotic.
It isn't idiotic, it's a form of pragmatism used for civilization building.It is still used because there are things considered as universally good or thoroughly evil.
If a thing is OK for one person and bad for the other it is neither of the two, it is simply subjective, morally ambivalent.
Still, real and undisputed truths exist, clearly the same is with absolute falsehood, trying to mud these waters only puts you in to one of the ideological categories considered revolutionary. Revolution always has it's victims, it's always bloody otherwise it's not a revolution at all and as a result, revolt is admittedly evil.
good and bad need some kind of index,
something good for humanism can be at the same time bad for environmentalism.
etc.
December 20, 2019, 04:35:12 PM
why are people still classyfy things into good and bad, its purely idiotic.
It isn't idiotic, it's a form of pragmatism used for civilization building.It is still used because there are things considered as universally good or thoroughly evil.
If a thing is OK for one person and bad for the other it is neither of the two, it is simply subjective, morally ambivalent.
Still, real and undisputed truths exist, clearly the same is with absolute falsehood, trying to mud these waters only puts you in to one of the ideological categories considered revolutionary. Revolution always has it's victims, it's always bloody otherwise it's not a revolution at all and as a result, revolt is admittedly evil.
December 20, 2019, 04:21:13 PM
Because the good and bad is depends on your surroundings. When we are a kid. What we see constanly, we think it is good. Because everybody is doing it. We do not even know if that is bad for government or church. We just know that everything that is going on without being prevented is good. This is how the the good and bad form i think.
December 20, 2019, 04:08:47 PM
why are people still classyfy things into good and bad, its purely idiotic.
good and bad are often accompanied with humanism, religion, nationalism and even racism.
then good thing for someone can be a bad thing for someone else.
this makes people go mad that try to be politically correct, in order to survive.
regards
good and bad are often accompanied with humanism, religion, nationalism and even racism.
then good thing for someone can be a bad thing for someone else.
this makes people go mad that try to be politically correct, in order to survive.
regards
Actually, there is good and bad in all of us... right inside our life essence. It's the constant struggle between these two things that kills us.
We need religion to show us what is right and what is wrong when we can't sort right and wrong out inside ourselves.
good and bad classifications are highly critical,
for example if someone fucks someone elses wife, he can be a good guy to that wife, and a good guy if the women gets pregnant and bores a child (good guy for the child)
but a bad guy for someone who was married to that wife, and had to raise up and pay for the child that isn't his, (if he was a racist).
we have to abandon in the west these classification in good and bad. especially in the west, it got out of hand, not that it was simultanously alighted with christian interest and later became humanist interest.
but also because it is simply incorrect.
December 20, 2019, 12:45:02 PM
why are people still classyfy things into good and bad, its purely idiotic.
good and bad are often accompanied with humanism, religion, nationalism and even racism.
then good thing for someone can be a bad thing for someone else.
this makes people go mad that try to be politically correct, in order to survive.
regards
good and bad are often accompanied with humanism, religion, nationalism and even racism.
then good thing for someone can be a bad thing for someone else.
this makes people go mad that try to be politically correct, in order to survive.
regards
Actually, there is good and bad in all of us... right inside our life essence. It's the constant struggle between these two things that kills us.
We need religion to show us what is right and what is wrong when we can't sort right and wrong out inside ourselves.
December 20, 2019, 08:31:16 AM
good, bad and perfect. are just words assigned by the opinion of the persons view
to a rapist, they feel good when they rape
to a murderer, they feel good when they kill
to the victim and family both rape and murder are bad
no one can be perfect either. some people like females some like men, some like blonde hair some like red hair
each person has their own perceptions.
that is why the rule of diverse majority is more important than tyranical decision on important things that impact different lives as there are too many views to satisfy everyone so best case is to use the views the majority can agree on
murder is definetly bad, unless its a death sentance for a criminal that done a heinous crime
rape is definetly bad, unless its an insane rapist.. but they shouldnt get to have an opinion
in short. nothing works universally,, everyone is unique. but many things can be majority agreed
to a rapist, they feel good when they rape
to a murderer, they feel good when they kill
to the victim and family both rape and murder are bad
no one can be perfect either. some people like females some like men, some like blonde hair some like red hair
each person has their own perceptions.
that is why the rule of diverse majority is more important than tyranical decision on important things that impact different lives as there are too many views to satisfy everyone so best case is to use the views the majority can agree on
murder is definetly bad, unless its a death sentance for a criminal that done a heinous crime
rape is definetly bad, unless its an insane rapist.. but they shouldnt get to have an opinion
in short. nothing works universally,, everyone is unique. but many things can be majority agreed
December 20, 2019, 06:58:32 AM
I hate the concept between good and bad person because its entirely impossible to be a good person, To some you are a good person while to others, you are a bad person. The thing is we all have a badside and goodside, some people just chose to do evil things while others decides to help and do good but that doesn't mean people can't switch sides.
Maybe that's just how humans live, we are the most intelligent beast in the world that can't find happiness in life without sacrifice.
Maybe that's just how humans live, we are the most intelligent beast in the world that can't find happiness in life without sacrifice.
December 20, 2019, 05:35:46 AM
Every human being has two aspects good and bad Likewise there is a lot of debate among them In many cases conflicts arise when one person does not agree with another. Therefore, to get rid of this problem it is necessary to fix the problem by sitting quietly between the two That's why good and bad are silly classifications and don't work in public In the field of work you should work in harmony with your views by talking to everyone.
December 20, 2019, 05:21:32 AM
Good and bad are just words. Everyone understands different things using these words. People just come to a certain agreement among themself that some ideas, thoughts, actions which can be harmful to a commonweal are labeled as bad (or evil) and punish all those who try to commit them. The same "system" works with all "good" stuff but in the opposite direction. Although these conceptions are relative but it's the only possible way for the society to support its' structure. Of course, if you live on your own you don't need such "crutches" as morals. But as soon as there are two men they need to come to this kind of agreement otherwise they won't be able to co-exist.
December 20, 2019, 04:28:20 AM
If we don't have any limitations then imagine how this world will be?
Do you think stealing someone's money is good?
Killing someone?
Raping? etc...
Do you think stealing someone's money is good?
Killing someone?
Raping? etc...
December 20, 2019, 12:25:09 AM
then good thing for someone can be a bad thing for someone else.
Or as people used to say in the past "One man's bread is another man's poison". The problem is not that people are placing things into just 2 categories, people have always done that.
That problem is the attempt to silence discussions. How can people debate and talk about nuances whn they automatically get ostracized for simply talking?
December 17, 2019, 08:48:20 AM
why are people still classyfy things into good and bad, its purely idiotic.
good and bad are often accompanied with humanism, religion, nationalism and even racism.
then good thing for someone can be a bad thing for someone else.
this makes people go mad that try to be politically correct, in order to survive.
regards
good and bad are often accompanied with humanism, religion, nationalism and even racism.
then good thing for someone can be a bad thing for someone else.
this makes people go mad that try to be politically correct, in order to survive.
regards
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