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Quote from: arwin100 on April 07, 2024, 07:50:37 AM

Quote from: GbitG on April 07, 2024, 07:26:32 AM

The simplest and the most secure way is not to keep your Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies in devices that you use daily and are often connected to the internet because no matter how many antiviruses and security precautions you take, there can always be a way for those malware and viruses to get access to important stuff in your device and you wouldn't even know about it if you are always connected to the internet and use a lot of programs and software on it.

So the best way, as others have suggested it as well, is to either use a hardware wallet or a device that you specifically use to keep your cryptocurrencies and you never connect it to the internet so that your wallets and backups and everything stay safe and out of the reach of attackers and exploiters.
You won't have any worries if you are not having any important stuff in your personal use device whether it's a mobile phone, a laptop, or a pc.

Maybe they find it to hassle for not using their device since not everyone have capabilities to buy multiple devices just to secure their assets.

But the least they can do is not to click any random links and don't use their main wallet to connect on platforms or anything questionable for them to avoid getting compromise we know to many schemes has been done by those criminals and we need to be more careful and knowledgeable on to good to be true schemes to avoid getting take advantage by those people who are greedy to do anything just to get easy money for theirselves.

To many good suggestion above so for its up for people to be knowledgeable individual to avoid this hackings and exploitation.

Exactly, but even without clicking a link, your assets can also be compromised. The thing is, there are many ways a hacker could do in order to steal anything from their victims. Just by surfing the Internet, you could be affected by viruses or malware. If you want to be secured, then don't even visit websites that have suspicious looks and suspicious website links. In this advanced technology, it is very hard to secure our assets or reputation. That is why it will be a good option to have a second device wherein there is your OTP SIMcard. It's like your treasure vault. You need to secure that device very carefully, and you are the one who knows its existence and where you will hide it. Also a good option is the use of a VPN, or virtual private network. It will make your searching on the internet more secure, especially for harmful or malicious links and websites.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on April 07, 2024, 01:11:32 PM

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Being careful online, such as not downloading things you aren't sure of and not clicking on unfamiliar links someone sends you, are also good basic things. As for VPN, I think it's more about privacy than about security. I use it occasionally, but I don't think it's related much to using or not using Bitcoin.

Sometimes people click on links by mistake that appear perfectly legitimate but turns out to be a fake website that installs very dangerous viruses and malware.
Security software such as Malwarebytes browser extension will block you from visiting such websites.

If you type in a URL of a well-known legitimate website, but mistype it by one letter you could be directed to a fake website that looks exactly like the real thing.
That is how people accidentally download malware, viruses, keyloggers that can record all your keystrokes, etc that steals your personal and financial information including your passwords.
That could lead to catastrophe for you. In such a situation a hardware wallet alone will not save you. It doesn't matter if you have Linux or whatever operating system you are screwed.

Unless you are a robot that never makes a mistake and never makes a typo it is foolish to believe that you are perfect and will never make a simple human error.

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Anti-malware software on a device you use to access Bitcoin is a very sound idea. The need of it depends on your OS, though, right? With Windows, it's highly desirable, but maybe it's not as important if you're using Linux.
Being careful online, such as not downloading things you aren't sure of and not clicking on unfamiliar links someone sends you, are also good basic things. As for VPN, I think it's more about privacy than about security. I use it occasionally, but I don't think it's related much to using or not using Bitcoin.

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Quote from: GbitG on April 07, 2024, 07:26:32 AM

The simplest and the most secure way is not to keep your Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies in devices that you use daily and are often connected to the internet because no matter how many antiviruses and security precautions you take, there can always be a way for those malware and viruses to get access to important stuff in your device and you wouldn't even know about it if you are always connected to the internet and use a lot of programs and software on it.

So the best way, as others have suggested it as well, is to either use a hardware wallet or a device that you specifically use to keep your cryptocurrencies and you never connect it to the internet so that your wallets and backups and everything stay safe and out of the reach of attackers and exploiters.
You won't have any worries if you are not having any important stuff in your personal use device whether it's a mobile phone, a laptop, or a pc.

Maybe they find it to hassle for not using their device since not everyone have capabilities to buy multiple devices just to secure their assets.

But the least they can do is not to click any random links and don't use their main wallet to connect on platforms or anything questionable for them to avoid getting compromise we know to many schemes has been done by those criminals and we need to be more careful and knowledgeable on to good to be true schemes to avoid getting take advantage by those people who are greedy to do anything just to get easy money for theirselves.

To many good suggestion above so for its up for people to be knowledgeable individual to avoid this hackings and exploitation.

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The simplest and the most secure way is not to keep your Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies in devices that you use daily and are often connected to the internet because no matter how many antiviruses and security precautions you take, there can always be a way for those malware and viruses to get access to important stuff in your device and you wouldn't even know about it if you are always connected to the internet and use a lot of programs and software on it.

So the best way, as others have suggested it as well, is to either use a hardware wallet or a device that you specifically use to keep your cryptocurrencies and you never connect it to the internet so that your wallets and backups and everything stay safe and out of the reach of attackers and exploiters.
You won't have any worries if you are not having any important stuff in your personal use device whether it's a mobile phone, a laptop, or a pc.

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Quote from: Despairo on April 07, 2024, 01:18:09 AM

Quote from: headingnorth on April 06, 2024, 02:14:24 AM

Linux may be better for security than Mac or Windows but learning to use it is not feasible for the average person which is 99% of the population.

If you talk about Average Joe want to protect their coins, then you don't have to install many software because the more software you have, the more chance you made mistake.

They don't have to install VPN, browser guard, antivirus etc etc, as long as they didn't click any unknown links, pirated software, join airdrop etc etc, they're high likely safe.

They also only need hardware wallet instead of air-gapped wallet.

Not to have even the most basic computer security like antivirus and browser protection, VPN, etc seems pretty crazy to me.

You want to avoid public wifi as much as possible but it is not always possible if you need to do some work or access the internet while traveling,
that is what VPN is for so hackers can't steal your data. If you use wifi at home or share wifi with others at home I would consider using VPN for that also.

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Quote from: oktana on April 06, 2024, 07:19:59 PM

I don’t even have my wallet on my laptop because I believe that it is more easier to get hacked on a laptop than it is on a mobile device. This is because on mobile device, we spend more times with apps, and i am always certain about what app i have. But on windows, a malware can come from chrome, and that’s even where metamask and the average wallets gets connected. You may not know when you get redirected to the wrong site and won’t notice anything wrong, until someday when your balance is empty. Thought I have a software that protects my laptop really well, I don’t risk it.

I'm doing the same thing, but for me though, the risk is all similar anyway, if the hacker or whatever malicious entity is trying to attack you specifically, they'll always find a way to get to you and we can't anything about it. The phone that I use for my wallet for my bitcoin storage is pretty much split into different phones, I got one of those phones that have a second device feature, I haven't tried using that to store my bitcoins but I hope others here have tried this and would it be advisable to store it there. I also use Brave browser if you want to avoid accidentally downloading malwares when you're visiting websites, another thing that can help you if you don't want to unknowingly download malwares is to buy your subscriptions to anime, don't download stuff that's on those free anime streaming website and stop watching porn, this last one, you will prevent yourself from getting them malwares and you become a better person too in terms of how your brain is wired.

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Quote from: Despairo on April 07, 2024, 01:18:09 AM

Quote from: headingnorth on April 06, 2024, 02:14:24 AM

Linux may be better for security than Mac or Windows but learning to use it is not feasible for the average person which is 99% of the population.

If you talk about Average Joe want to protect their coins, then you don't have to install many software because the more software you have, the more chance you made mistake.

They don't have to install VPN, browser guard, antivirus etc etc, as long as they didn't click any unknown links, pirated software, join airdrop etc etc, they're high likely safe.

They also only need hardware wallet instead of air-gapped wallet.

You have made a good point.

Also we are talking about bitcoin here. You need to be above average to be able to successfully secure your coins. So when he says linux is complicated and it is for smart people while windows is for dumb people, he also admits that 99% of the population is dumb and will never successfully secure their coins.

If people insist on not learning about linux and other security practices, then somebody smarter and evil will take advantage of their stupidity. In this age not learning about linux is a choice between being stupid and smart.

On some rare occasions though, even being smart cannot help you. Even the bitcoin dev LukeDashJr got hacked and lost his coins to a thief in the past when you think about it. Sometimes we are just careless.

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Quote from: headingnorth on April 06, 2024, 02:14:24 AM

Linux may be better for security than Mac or Windows but learning to use it is not feasible for the average person which is 99% of the population.

If you talk about Average Joe want to protect their coins, then you don't have to install many software because the more software you have, the more chance you made mistake.

They don't have to install VPN, browser guard, antivirus etc etc, as long as they didn't click any unknown links, pirated software, join airdrop etc etc, they're high likely safe.

They also only need hardware wallet instead of air-gapped wallet.

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When it comes to mobile apps, at least with the iPhone. Each app is sandbox from another. Meaning that unless you give permission, one app cannot access the data from another app. This is why mobile phones are generally more secure compared to say someone using Windows and running executables from the shady websites.

Also phones can only run signed code. So the app needs to be approved and signed by apple for you to run it. Hence why it’s again much stronger security compared to a windows Pc.

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Quote from: headingnorth on April 05, 2024, 09:51:54 PM

That means always using a VPN whenever connecting to the internet, with a good antivirus and anti-malware software, preferably connecting through your own hardware router.

VPN has almost nothing to help regarding to safe guarding your device and funds. I agree on AV and other security stuff but VPN? Naaah. Also, good practice on using your wallet and your device, of course, is the best way to avoid malware. Especially downloading random stuff online.

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I don’t even have my wallet on my laptop because I believe that it is more easier to get hacked on a laptop than it is on a mobile device. This is because on mobile device, we spend more times with apps, and i am always certain about what app i have. But on windows, a malware can come from chrome, and that’s even where metamask and the average wallets gets connected. You may not know when you get redirected to the wrong site and won’t notice anything wrong, until someday when your balance is empty. Thought I have a software that protects my laptop really well, I don’t risk it.

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Quote from: mk4 on April 06, 2024, 12:27:52 AM

Malwarebytes was good when I was still using Windows, but yea all the default stuff installed on most devices is good enough. You just need to not be dumb and install random pirated software.

Also, don't forget hardware wallets. It should pretty much be mandatory for 99% of people.

I remember creating a simple app on my PC for a game that I'm playing. I made everything on that Windows machine and made sure everything is properly coded. When I tried to run the packaged app, Windows Defender blocked the app and put it into quarantine mode. These pre-installed security systems in PCs are more than enough for an average person, and is great in detecting apps that may harm the user's device and files. Also, I don't think the average person that isn't technologically inclined can turn off these security features today unless they have to because of a requirement on some of the apps that they are using. Even still, it should be obvious that when a software is asking you to turn off your antivirus software, there is something wrong with it.

As for hardware wallets, I still believe that it's only a necessity if you are planning to stockpile on bitcoins and hold for long. If not, then a simple PC or a mobile phone is more than sufficient provided that that device isn't connected to the internet at all times or used to browse shady websites.

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Before I was involved with crypto, I was very careless with my devices.

I often just click on links without even being sure what was in it. If I needed to see it, I have to click on it immediately. I would also connect to public wi-fi not caring about the consequences it would bring. Now, I try to be more careful and thoughtful of what goes in and out of my phone, who is allowed to have access on my phone among other things..

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Quote from: headingnorth on April 05, 2024, 09:51:54 PM

When it comes to securing your bitcoin don't forget about having good basic security practices on your laptop, desktop and mobile devices.

That means always using a VPN whenever connecting to the internet, with a good antivirus and anti-malware software, preferably connecting through your own hardware router.
These viruses and malware can be programmed to steal your personal information including crypto. Of course you never want to connect to any public Wifi connection without a VPN.

Coin security basically lies in the place where we properly store the seed phrase or private key.
A personal computer is an electronic device that can help, but it also depends on its use. If the user is careless about the computer they are using, not only coins are at risk but all important data is also at risk.

For me, using the desktop version of a bitcoin wallet can be safe if we are able to maintain it well with the aim of carrying out the process properly and correctly. Stay away from internet connections that are not necessary, I even want to be offline if the PC has a wallet there. Mobile wallet versions are better avoided for large amounts.
Using a VPN isn't bad for privacy, but using Tor is better.

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Using your mobile or PC for small funds would be fine, but for large amounts of funds, we must practice a hardware wallet. Device would be compromised anytime, even though you have been using VPN or some other software to protect your device.. Hackers are able to break your system since they use the latest technologies. So it is always better to use a hardware wallet from which you need to sign a transaction. I am using a software wallet only for small funds. Large amount holding on to a hardware wallet.

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OP if you say "Good bitcoin security starts with strong PC and mobile device security," then what will you say about the security apparatus or structure of the big exchanges that got hacked of huge amount and volumes of funds and assets? are they not using sophisticated devices? as far as I know, these exchanges uses the best security devices for saving and storing assets and funds but still, they suffer hack and have assets carted away by hacker who did that. What I am trying to say is that irrespective of the sophisticated devices you use, the safety of your assets and funds is right in your hands, and this is determined by the way you store your keys and where you store them.

So therefore, "Good bitcoin security starts with strong PC and mobile device security" does not necessarily mean one should get all these but it is still good if you have them but cultivate some safety acts that could help you prevent attacks on your devices. This is what I think could help you secure your assets and funds pc and mobile devices are just added advantage.

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After my experience, I see that any wallet located on a computer or mobile device connected to the Internet will not be 100% completely secure.

Windows Defender is not as efficient as you think. It is quite good, as it is integrated with the Windows system by default, but it is not as efficient as other paid programs such as Norton, Kaspersky, or Avira. It is better to have another program that is always up to date.

The best solution is not to store any wallet or private key on a device connected to the Internet.

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It all depends on the person who is making his/her devices having strong securit and also how that person handle hsi/her security measures. There are pirated softwares that people can download but for having tight security using pirated softwares is not the best choice because the software could be modified by the person or a group of person who modified it. So it would be better if you have the softwares that you are going to install should be from the original site rather than downloading modified ones.

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Quote from: headingnorth on April 05, 2024, 09:51:54 PM

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Good bitcoin security starts with you and not your devices. Good bitcoin security starts with you developing your consciousness towards security. If you are not security conscious or have poor security consciousness, it will not matter the device you get because you will always be careless and your carelessness will put you at a vulnerable position to become a victim.

Good bitcoins security also involves using a good PC, OS or mobile device, but it is only about that.

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