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Quote from: vennali on August 03, 2020, 12:51:30 AM

Generally considered a lot more complex type of trading. Do you think new and budding traders should get into or at least be introduced to derivative trading or should it be avoided, and just HODL at all costs?

Depends on the newbie risk, if he/she doesn't have any risk aversion then derivatives might be good for them in the beginning. So it's really up to the individuals, as each one of us are really different. Others wanted to go all in and try their chances for a good actual gains. Nothing wrong with HODL though, it is the most effective strategy even for advance traders, but if you are looking for new adventure and pursue more profit then maybe, derivatives is for you.

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Quote from: harizen on August 03, 2020, 03:41:07 PM

Surely, soon they will sick of doing "HODLING" so they will step on another level of their trading activity. For now, let them HODL as long as they want as once they want something new on how they are managing their coins, they will automatically study the other options.

When a traders looks for more advancement into the business, they are the one who's going to find ways. This kind of approach is learnable as long as the person who wanted to take the risk have the willingness to take this another steps.

It's more on the side of particular person, even newbies have the same desire to push for more innovative ways of earnings, once they've

seen this options and they see that there's opportunities for them, it's not a question that they will proceed and start moving forwardly.

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I saw @OP walking around on Altcoin/Trading Section, he will post or creating a topic about at least some topic who have a connection about his signature "Sparrow Exchange". Now, if you see "Sparrow Exchange" they have "Derivative Trading" soon op will trying to shill the exchange XD.

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Quote from: vennali on August 03, 2020, 12:51:30 AM

Generally considered a lot more complex type of trading. Do you think new and budding traders should get into or at least be introduced to derivative trading or should it be avoided, and just HODL at all costs?

Understanding the key elements of how derivative trading works is more of advanced knowledge.

It's not wrong though to introduce it to newbies but at least make it step by step so that they will understand truly each and every level they will encounter.

Surely, soon they will sick of doing "HODLING" so they will step on another level of their trading activity. For now, let them HODL as long as they want as once they want something new on how they are managing their coins, they will automatically study the other options.

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Quote from: vennali on August 03, 2020, 12:51:30 AM

....and just HODL at all costs?

Hodl should help a novice trader understand how the cryptocurrency business works. And the first decision of such a trader should be when to exit hodl to usdt in order to keep the profit. When he learns to enter and exit a trade on his own, you can try trading during the day.

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A newbie trading would have hard time buying bitcoin using fiat and then keep trading bitcoin and usdt between each other for profit, unless you are an expert trader in something else and joined bitcoin world from trading that to now trading crypto, you are not going to know much about trading and will lose money, it took me years before I can totally understand what is going on in the bitcoin trading world.

That means if the newbie starts out with derivatives for the first thing they are doing, they are not just going to lose their money which could happen in any method anyway, but they are going to lose it very quickly, and I mean VERY quickly, what could take a few months of losing until you are out in regular method, could be under half an hour with derivative markets.

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I don't think it's a good idea at all—unless we are talking about some of the simpler derivatives instruments, like some crypto CFDs on eToro.

You don't run before you can walk, especially when running will cause the money to fall out of your pockets. If we're talking about trading options, swaps, futures etc, then that's just a recipe to lose money.

We've all heard the horror stories about people trade on 100x leverage and then get wiped out overnight because bet on the wrong side of the market.

I think all cryptocurrency traders should progress along the following route (unless they are already experienced in trading traditional markets).

1. Demo trading spot
2. Spot trading
3. Margin trading
4. Demo futures trading
5. Futures trading without leverage
6. Futures trading with low leverage
7. Options/swaps trading
8. Derivatives trading with high leverage.

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Why not if the person understands perfectly what it is about otherwise he could be hit hard. As you say it's a type of trading more advanced, jumping on it as a newbie isn't going to end well in most cases. It's easy to make a mistake like over-leveraging, not using a stop-loss order.

If I remember correctly, not long ago there is an exchange that decided to stop it because people complained about it but the truth is that they don't understand correctly and were loosing money

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Quote from: ashmodeus on August 03, 2020, 11:01:06 AM

too fast it's not always good,if u talking about new trader which i mean newbie ,of course derivative trading should be avoided at the beginning,it's a high risk category,did u know survey about how long crypto trader still active at trading ? , just a few percent, and mostly quit less than 2 years.

Oh wow, didnt know that. So you suggest that the volatility that we see in crypto market is caused by those few percent of people? Probably mostly whales.

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too fast it's not always good,if u talking about new trader which i mean newbie ,of course derivative trading should be avoided at the beginning,it's a high risk category,did u know survey about how long crypto trader still active at trading ? , just a few percent, and mostly quit less than 2 years.

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If you are doubtful of what you are doing, there is nothing it makes sense to do it otherwise, you will lose. Why not try to know the result? Because if you are asking that derivative trading will make you profitable, it will depend on how you work on it or how they work together. If you are comfortable working with each other, it gonna be a positive asset that it will work on but if not, then working by yourself may help or just hold only.

I know a lot of traders have their plan and doing that but not all of them get succeed it is because they never know exactly what they are doing as a team/ or as individual participation.

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What favors Mr A might or mightn't favor Mr B. While we're all encourage to be holders you can still gain that experience you hunger for and probably it might begin the new chapter of your investing career. You shouldn't go all in though, always have a reserve to fallback on and that's where the holding comes into play.

I believe in Buidling, we should always be willing to build on our investment, increasing the holders over time and not just relying on the current holding we have. If you have the required knowledge needed to succeed in the derivative market then you should engage yourself as there are profits to be made there.

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The advice you're going to get from majority is to simply just hold, and do something else to make money instead. I'm personally in this camp too, as I'd rather build up a skill instead and potentially make money off it(web design, blogging, etc).

On the other hand, it's your money. Do what you want with it. As long as you completely understand that you're going to risk your money by trading derivatives, and potentially lose them all; especially as a new trader which is definitely not recommended. If you really wanted to go the trading route, probably practice first using platforms that has a virtual portfolio feature.

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Generally considered a lot more complex type of trading. Do you think new and budding traders should get into or at least be introduced to derivative trading or should it be avoided, and just HODL at all costs?

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