Pages:
Author

Topic: Google’s Censorship Of Cryptocurrencies Goes Way Beyond YouTube (Read 469 times)

hero member
Activity: 1328
Merit: 563
MintDice.com | TG: t.me/MintDice
Right now, consumers give away their (extremely profitable) personal data to Google in exchange for fast, reliable search results. Dapp browsers open up the possibility for blockchain-based competitors that allow for more equitable arrangements between advertisers and consumers. Eventually, you could even be paid tokenized ad revenue for viewing search results -- rather than Google pocketing that revenue. And you probably would if the search results were good enough, right?


Right now I'm using Brave browser which pays BAT (Basic Attention Token) revenue if end users have ads enabled. There definitely are emerging platforms utilizing crypto with the potential to compete with google for ad revenue.

The reason I question the idea of google opposing decentralized apps involves crypto not being necessary for this.

A tech startup could rollout a proprietary, centralized, app that pays users to view ads via paypal. A platform wouldn't need to be decentralized or utilize crypto / token based payment, to compete with google for advertisement based market share.

There are many platforms like: https://www.usertesting.com/

Which harvest user data without utilizing decentralization, blockchain or anything crypto related. One could make the argument that any token based, decentralized, ad competitor to google could do the same job utilizing fiat based payment networks.

There's no real motive in google targeting decentralized apps as all of them could be monetized using apple pay, paypal and other 3rd party apps.

Hard to convince anyone to use different browser or even another search engine like Duckduckgo when they are so used to google. I myself have been using the brave browser for a longtime but since I have my gmail registered to my accounts that had been there long before I discover what google is doing, I'm still using my gmail. Its a slow transition I guess until we can kill the monopoly of Google.



On a personal level, I had switched tons of things over around 5 years ago and my last thing to switch was my e-mail address from a corporate overlord to a better provider. I left it for last because part of me never wanted to switch because I thought it would take too long and not be worth it because of all the legacy accounts I had tied to the e-mail address.

But honestly, despite having 100s of accounts, I was able to migrate them all in about 10-20 hours of work and couldn't be happier to this day about it. My only regret is not having done it sooner.

So if that's any encouragement, I'd say go for it. And it's always better now than later. The longer you wait, the even more entrenched it becomes, not the reverse.
hero member
Activity: 3038
Merit: 617
Right now, consumers give away their (extremely profitable) personal data to Google in exchange for fast, reliable search results. Dapp browsers open up the possibility for blockchain-based competitors that allow for more equitable arrangements between advertisers and consumers. Eventually, you could even be paid tokenized ad revenue for viewing search results -- rather than Google pocketing that revenue. And you probably would if the search results were good enough, right?


Right now I'm using Brave browser which pays BAT (Basic Attention Token) revenue if end users have ads enabled. There definitely are emerging platforms utilizing crypto with the potential to compete with google for ad revenue.

The reason I question the idea of google opposing decentralized apps involves crypto not being necessary for this.

A tech startup could rollout a proprietary, centralized, app that pays users to view ads via paypal. A platform wouldn't need to be decentralized or utilize crypto / token based payment, to compete with google for advertisement based market share.

There are many platforms like: https://www.usertesting.com/

Which harvest user data without utilizing decentralization, blockchain or anything crypto related. One could make the argument that any token based, decentralized, ad competitor to google could do the same job utilizing fiat based payment networks.

There's no real motive in google targeting decentralized apps as all of them could be monetized using apple pay, paypal and other 3rd party apps.

Hard to convince anyone to use different browser or even another search engine like Duckduckgo when they are so used to google. I myself have been using the brave browser for a longtime but since I have my gmail registered to my accounts that had been there long before I discover what google is doing, I'm still using my gmail. Its a slow transition I guess until we can kill the monopoly of Google.

full member
Activity: 1204
Merit: 104


A personal blog could possibly a solution to create contents that you really want you, and only you could modify, add, and delete. Basically a forum could be a good way, but we have moderators here that make sure the contents we are posting aren't breaking any rules, so, aside from posting about a pump and dump of a cryptocurrency, we need to align our idea for the greater good, basically considering the utilitarian approach to help people make decision freely, and to deliver them with information that are useful.
You are absolutely right about the words about the Supreme Good.  After all, what the owner of a personal blog can write may not be allowed at the forum with great activity, where Everyone has the right to print information and Everyone has the right to use this information, because in this case the administration monitors risks and general mood.  A lot of cryptocurrency users inadequately respond to this or that information, which is very often used as manipulations by cryptocurrency users.  I understand that the bitcointalk forum is designed to popularize cryptocurrency in society and to improve the knowledge of cryptocurrency among users and therefore Moderators very often delete negative information so as not to mislead users of the forum.
legendary
Activity: 2562
Merit: 1441
Right now, consumers give away their (extremely profitable) personal data to Google in exchange for fast, reliable search results. Dapp browsers open up the possibility for blockchain-based competitors that allow for more equitable arrangements between advertisers and consumers. Eventually, you could even be paid tokenized ad revenue for viewing search results -- rather than Google pocketing that revenue. And you probably would if the search results were good enough, right?


Right now I'm using Brave browser which pays BAT (Basic Attention Token) revenue if end users have ads enabled. There definitely are emerging platforms utilizing crypto with the potential to compete with google for ad revenue.

The reason I question the idea of google opposing decentralized apps involves crypto not being necessary for this.

A tech startup could rollout a proprietary, centralized, app that pays users to view ads via paypal. A platform wouldn't need to be decentralized or utilize crypto / token based payment, to compete with google for advertisement based market share.

There are many platforms like: https://www.usertesting.com/

Which harvest user data without utilizing decentralization, blockchain or anything crypto related. One could make the argument that any token based, decentralized, ad competitor to google could do the same job utilizing fiat based payment networks.

There's no real motive in google targeting decentralized apps as all of them could be monetized using apple pay, paypal and other 3rd party apps.
hero member
Activity: 1328
Merit: 563
MintDice.com | TG: t.me/MintDice
BitCoinTalk.org Censorship goes way beyond anything Google has ever done  🤐🤐🤐🤐   This forum has Censored posts of mine that should have never been censored.  They have an interest in pumping up the price of Bitcoin and do their best to eliminate discussion that is a threat to this goal.    This forum started out with the right intentions, but has gone very corrupt.

If you value freedom, demand better. 

Hard Facts

That's the nature of private platforms. As annoying as it is, you kind of have to accept it. If you are against this kind of censorship, maybe you should try going to SteemIt or something like that.

A personal blog could possibly a solution to create contents that you really want you, and only you could modify, add, and delete. Basically a forum could be a good way, but we have moderators here that make sure the contents we are posting aren't breaking any rules, so, aside from posting about a pump and dump of a cryptocurrency, we need to align our idea for the greater good, basically considering the utilitarian approach to help people make decision freely, and to deliver them with information that are useful.

BitcoinTalk is relatively free, but they also have a lot of strict rules.

The only way to stop this kind of thing from happening but still achieve a wide user base is to go on any of the blockchain mediums. There's a few of them out there, like SteemIt. Minds, possibly. There's other alternatives. But really, you are going to really be trading out some benefits/cons for other benefits/cons since SteemIt has it's own set of problems (although I do think it's a decent platform overall).
legendary
Activity: 1568
Merit: 6660
bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
I heard that Google Play Store has reinstated MetaMask and it is now available again.

To avoid issues with Google Play (and Apple) not approving crypto wallets and dapps, developers should consider providing a web based wallet and web3 browser for dapps which can be accessed from any device with an Internet connection without having to download anything to their device.



There's a little problem with that, because having the crypto wallet as an app is the only thing that sets it apart from all of the online wallets on the internet. It would open MetaMask up to getting hacked, which is not possible in its current state because it runs fully on the device. Also if the functionality for discovering all of the dapps were put in a website then it would feel clunky at best, since that would make it centralized.
hero member
Activity: 1120
Merit: 553
Filipino Translator 🇵🇭
BitCoinTalk.org Censorship goes way beyond anything Google has ever done  🤐🤐🤐🤐   This forum has Censored posts of mine that should have never been censored.  They have an interest in pumping up the price of Bitcoin and do their best to eliminate discussion that is a threat to this goal.    This forum started out with the right intentions, but has gone very corrupt.

If you value freedom, demand better. 

Hard Facts

That's the nature of private platforms. As annoying as it is, you kind of have to accept it. If you are against this kind of censorship, maybe you should try going to SteemIt or something like that.

A personal blog could possibly a solution to create contents that you really want you, and only you could modify, add, and delete. Basically a forum could be a good way, but we have moderators here that make sure the contents we are posting aren't breaking any rules, so, aside from posting about a pump and dump of a cryptocurrency, we need to align our idea for the greater good, basically considering the utilitarian approach to help people make decision freely, and to deliver them with information that are useful.
hero member
Activity: 1328
Merit: 563
MintDice.com | TG: t.me/MintDice
BitCoinTalk.org Censorship goes way beyond anything Google has ever done  🤐🤐🤐🤐   This forum has Censored posts of mine that should have never been censored.  They have an interest in pumping up the price of Bitcoin and do their best to eliminate discussion that is a threat to this goal.    This forum started out with the right intentions, but has gone very corrupt.

If you value freedom, demand better. 

Hard Facts

That's the nature of private platforms. As annoying as it is, you kind of have to accept it. If you are against this kind of censorship, maybe you should try going to SteemIt or something like that.
member
Activity: 434
Merit: 29
BitCoinTalk.org Censorship goes way beyond anything Google has ever done  🤐🤐🤐🤐   This forum has Censored posts of mine that should have never been censored.  They have an interest in pumping up the price of Bitcoin and do their best to eliminate discussion that is a threat to this goal.    This forum started out with the right intentions, but has gone very corrupt.

If you value freedom, demand better. 

Hard Facts
hero member
Activity: 3010
Merit: 538
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
I heard that Google Play Store has reinstated MetaMask and it is now available again.

To avoid issues with Google Play (and Apple) not approving crypto wallets and dapps, developers should consider providing a web based wallet and web3 browser for dapps which can be accessed from any device with an Internet connection without having to download anything to their device.


Or the users could simply download app from the developers' official website becase mobile browser currently lacking extension to install wallet and the only other way other than using app in mobile is through using exchange.
Google have some reason for not approving metamask and it's more likely that they are concerned about the security of that apps or maybe the developers is taking it down themselves.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1196
STOP SNITCHIN'
I don't think this is about banks. It's not even so much about cryptocurrencies.

Google is much more threatened by decentralized apps like MetaMask and DTube than anything else. That's the primary takeaway for me. Google's entire model is to monetize the underlying internet infrastructure. Now, the infrastructure is being built to make Google obsolete.
It could help to remember bittorrent is one of the oldest and largest decentralized apps of all time. 30% of total internet bandwidth was credited as being bittorrent traffic in past years. I don't remember google ever waging a war against them.

The question to ask is: How do torrents threaten Google's business model, and to what extent?

Google's primary revenue stream is derived from search engine advertisement income (adsense). Which decentralized apps pose no threat to.

Years from now, that may not be true. Right now, consumers give away their (extremely profitable) personal data to Google in exchange for fast, reliable search results. Dapp browsers open up the possibility for blockchain-based competitors that allow for more equitable arrangements between advertisers and consumers. Eventually, you could even be paid tokenized ad revenue for viewing search results -- rather than Google pocketing that revenue. And you probably would if the search results were good enough, right?

Google created Chrome for the same reason. With Safari and Mozilla searches, Google needed to pay out a portion of ad revenue to third parties. Chrome allowed them to keep everything for themselves.

Dapp browsers do the exact opposite. They allow for a world that cuts Google out entirely -- and it can be done by incentivizing consumers with tokenized blockchain rewards. This logic can be applied to Google's other revenue sources like YouTube and the Play Store. These platforms become unattractive in a robust Dapp economy that better compensates end users for their patronage.

Granted, we are years away from this stuff coming to fruition, but I suspect both Google and Apple see the incoming threat. That's why I believe they are both removing Dapp browsers from their app stores.
newbie
Activity: 8
Merit: 1
I heard that Google Play Store has reinstated MetaMask and it is now available again.

To avoid issues with Google Play (and Apple) not approving crypto wallets and dapps, developers should consider providing a web based wallet and web3 browser for dapps which can be accessed from any device with an Internet connection without having to download anything to their device.

legendary
Activity: 3332
Merit: 1404
Join the world-leading crypto sportsbook NOW!
I agree, it's a good article. I knew about the bans and restrictions mentioned there before reading, though. Perhaps the situation isn't that bad. For one, I don't think of Google and Facebook as very different companies. And since Facebook is exploring crypto technology, it might be only a matter of time until Google does. Moreover, like the article said some of the people very close to the top of the company acknowledge cryptos and even use them. I think that this also gives hope. Then again, perhaps someone will manage to succeed globally with decentralised platforms, and current tech giants will adapt or die.
legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 1387
This is all true, and while there isn't much people can do as individuals, there are some things you can do.

Use Firefox/Brave instead of Chrome.
Use a high quality e-mail address instead of gmail.
Use DuckDuckGo or other high quality search engines instead of google, change your defaults.

There are other things as well. Ultimately, if you complain about Google but continue using their products, that is mostly on you as a walking and talking contradiction.

Be the change you want to see. Will this change the world if you change your stuff? No. But it is one small piece to a huge puzzle and I'd highly suggest anyone reading this take action.

Done some if it already!

I stopped using Gmail back in November, I changed to ProtonMail.
I never used Chrome, I despise it, I have always used Firefox as a browser.
Never a massive fan of Youtube, too addictive but handy for repair work on the car!

Will check out DuckDuckGo

I enjoyed that OP, anyone got suggestions for an alternative to android?

Awesome! Smiley

There's many quality search engines to choose from depending how far down the rabbit hole you want to go.
Examples: https://www.privacytools.io/providers/search-engines/


When it comes to cell phones, the best technology out there that I'm aware of is this company:
https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

If you simply want to change your OS on the phone you already own to something new, I'd suggest looking here:
https://www.privacytools.io/operating-systems/#mobile_os
There's a few to pick from depending on your tastes/needs.


And full disclosure: I don't have any affiliation with the above websites, I'm simply trying to give you the best advice. Privacy tools is a 100% affiliate-free and donation supported website.

If you or anyone else needs help to stray away from the dark side over to the light simply reply here and I'll let you know if I can help in any way.

Thank you for those links, its something I am going to have to put
some research into for changing from android.

But it dies go to show that even google's android can be swapped
for a more privacy related option.

I have come across 'Cyanogen' being mentioned before, never looked
into it though.

"LineageOS is a free and open-source operating system for smartphones and tablets, based on the official releases of the Android Open Source Project. It is the continuation of the CyanogenMod project."
legendary
Activity: 2562
Merit: 1441
I don't think this is about banks. It's not even so much about cryptocurrencies.

Google is much more threatened by decentralized apps like MetaMask and DTube than anything else. That's the primary takeaway for me. Google's entire model is to monetize the underlying internet infrastructure. Now, the infrastructure is being built to make Google obsolete.


It could help to remember bittorrent is one of the oldest and largest decentralized apps of all time. 30% of total internet bandwidth was credited as being bittorrent traffic in past years. I don't remember google ever waging a war against them. Google's primary revenue stream is derived from search engine advertisement income (adsense). Which decentralized apps pose no threat to.

Digging a little beneath the surface, we might identify reasons the "google hates decentralized apps" rhetoric could fail to pan out.

One might say the underlying motive for centralized markets and technology, parallel cashless society paradigms. Having centralized energy, food, financial, technology networks leaves markets easier to control for ruling elites.

Banks represent one of the primary impetus behind a push for a cashless society. Perhaps in google's opposition to decentralized technologies we see banker cartel motives being manifest. If you know that using banker owned and operated tax shelters as rich and wealthy CEOs typically do, come with certain strings attached.
hero member
Activity: 1328
Merit: 563
MintDice.com | TG: t.me/MintDice
This is all true, and while there isn't much people can do as individuals, there are some things you can do.

Use Firefox/Brave instead of Chrome.
Use a high quality e-mail address instead of gmail.
Use DuckDuckGo or other high quality search engines instead of google, change your defaults.

There are other things as well. Ultimately, if you complain about Google but continue using their products, that is mostly on you as a walking and talking contradiction.

Be the change you want to see. Will this change the world if you change your stuff? No. But it is one small piece to a huge puzzle and I'd highly suggest anyone reading this take action.

Done some if it already!

I stopped using Gmail back in November, I changed to ProtonMail.
I never used Chrome, I despise it, I have always used Firefox as a browser.
Never a massive fan of Youtube, too addictive but handy for repair work on the car!

Will check out DuckDuckGo

I enjoyed that OP, anyone got suggestions for an alternative to android?

Awesome! Smiley

There's many quality search engines to choose from depending how far down the rabbit hole you want to go.
Examples: https://www.privacytools.io/providers/search-engines/


When it comes to cell phones, the best technology out there that I'm aware of is this company:
https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

If you simply want to change your OS on the phone you already own to something new, I'd suggest looking here:
https://www.privacytools.io/operating-systems/#mobile_os
There's a few to pick from depending on your tastes/needs.


And full disclosure: I don't have any affiliation with the above websites, I'm simply trying to give you the best advice. Privacy tools is a 100% affiliate-free and donation supported website.

If you or anyone else needs help to stray away from the dark side over to the light simply reply here and I'll let you know if I can help in any way.
hero member
Activity: 1008
Merit: 531
Their stances are obviously in their own interests - otherwise, why take them out of ads that could be otherwise generating revenue for their company?

Expect other search engines (except for a few like Duckduckgo, who truly care about privacy and all that) to follow suit as a matter of time, in my opinion.

Google's censorship is honestly disgusting given the circumstances - and they call themselves innovative somehow.
legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 1387
This is all true, and while there isn't much people can do as individuals, there are some things you can do.

Use Firefox/Brave instead of Chrome.
Use a high quality e-mail address instead of gmail.
Use DuckDuckGo or other high quality search engines instead of google, change your defaults.

There are other things as well. Ultimately, if you complain about Google but continue using their products, that is mostly on you as a walking and talking contradiction.

Be the change you want to see. Will this change the world if you change your stuff? No. But it is one small piece to a huge puzzle and I'd highly suggest anyone reading this take action.

Done some if it already!

I stopped using Gmail back in November, I changed to ProtonMail.
I never used Chrome, I despise it, I have always used Firefox as a browser.
Never a massive fan of Youtube, too addictive but handy for repair work on the car!

Will check out DuckDuckGo

I enjoyed that OP, anyone got suggestions for an alternative to android?
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1196
STOP SNITCHIN'
Which could explain google and other private sector entities adopting repressive stances towards bitcoin, on behalf of banks who they rely upon to provide them with access to financial networks allowing them to exploit tax loopholes.

I don't think this is about banks. It's not even so much about cryptocurrencies.

Google is much more threatened by decentralized apps like MetaMask and DTube than anything else. That's the primary takeaway for me. Google's entire model is to monetize the underlying internet infrastructure. Now, the infrastructure is being built to make Google obsolete.

If dapps can keep building sleeker UI and building on their network effects, they are much more likely to give Google a run for their money than competitors like Microsoft.
legendary
Activity: 2562
Merit: 1441
I don't think a big company like google will look for tax loopholes. Don't they already have a lot of money? I do not understand if they want to do this. It seems impossible in my view.   Embarrassed


I tried to find you a source for that.   Smiley

Quote
Google reportedly has $60.7 billion in overseas revenue it has yet to repatriate for fears it would lose too much of it to US taxes, which are set at 35 percent for corporations. That means the money must stay overseas. That arrangement may change in the months and years to come, however, as the new tax bill passed by the House and Senate last month is aimed at pleasing corporations and the wealthy. The new law sets a more generous minimum tax rate on overseas profits and offers companies a less burdensome path toward bringing that money home on a regular basis at greatly reduced rates.

That means Apple, Google, and others may bring more money home, yet still enjoy many of the benefits these tax loopholes have afforded them for decades now. Of course, there is no clear indication that businesses will reinvest that money into domestic manufacturing, hiring, or any other of the intended recipients of the profit windfall being handed to corporate America. Some companies have made strategic use of the PR opportunity to publicly celebrate the tax bill with $1,000 bonuses to employees.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/2/16842876/google-double-irish-tax-loopholes-european-billions-ad-revenue


There's a school of thought which claims the wealthy and large corporations pay taxes: as long as tax rates are deemed as being fair.

The second taxes are deemed too high: tax evasion becomes the norm.

These observations run counter intuitive to how taxes are portrayed by the media. In that tax cuts could carry the potential to boost overall tax revenues via cutting down on overall cases of tax evasion.
Pages:
Jump to: