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September 01, 2017, 07:51:07 PM
#53
Both of us are using each other. We used their service to invest or to transact money. And also they used us to be their client. But they are more binificiary compared to us. The more the client is the more they will earn.

Maybe we became there sock puppet or shall we say a milking cow for them to get a huge benifits from us but there's a good factor about getting some money on each people leave in there state since government need some funds just to have money to used on there good platforms and projects. And I don't know how things work in the bank since the one I know there is we can make our money more safer but in return. And surely they can get more benefit to us and just don't think about it since its so normal in this society today.
Yeah, we cant change the things that reality says about. Thats life. Everyone is struggling in this challenging world. If you want to be success in your goals I you should go with the flow and grab the oppotunity if there is. If everyone is competing try to make a way the they cant let you down.
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September 01, 2017, 12:40:00 AM
#52
Governments and banks were using each and every one's earnings directly or indirectly, at the same time there are governments and banks that are serving the people and making them grow financially and in terms of technology. This gives the government a combined growth along with the people who are into it.
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September 01, 2017, 12:35:37 AM
#51
Another conspiracy about bitcoin when it comes to Governments and Banks about using people, we all know that government and banks are really uses people to function because without them they are nothing and will not function as they should be.

It is a matter of choices though if you really think that way then don't invest with bitcoin or any other kind of crypto. But at the end of the day there is winners and losers, people who is in power really controls the world but if you just keep on ranting about the government it is your choice whether it is true or not.
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September 01, 2017, 12:05:28 AM
#50
Backed by fiat currency.

Lack of patent.

What do you mean by these two comments? You're listing mistakes cryptocurrencies have made and these two are on that list.

Bitcoin is backed by fiat currency? Since when?

Bitcoin lacks a patent? Why does it need to be registered as an invention with a company?

I think you may misunderstand a bit how Bitcoin works (and call me out if necessary).

Bitcoin isn't backed by fiat currency. The reason people refer to the value in terms of fiat is because that's the currency that people use to buy and sell it. Bitcoin isn't backed or pegged or hinged to the value of a fiat currency. It's performance or existence isn't dependent on fiat currency.

Bitcoin is a project, creation, invention that isn't bound by any government. A founding principle is that it fills a void in the money system that's been lacking free access, support, and market. For Bitcoin to be registered for a patent would completely and directly undermine what Bitcoin is meant to be. It's meant to operate independent from any central entity (especially government). Trying to gain approval and protection to exist from a government would be the single greatest irony Bitcoin could achieve (and not for the better.)

If I've misunderstood you, please let me know.



I stringly agree. And even if the government and their banks build a new crypto currency that they might think is flawless, they will not get people to move from bitcoins to their own crypto currency. Because the main reason as to why people went to bitcoins(other than greedy fcktards that only want profit) is to be freed from all the chains of the governments and their banks. They want to lose all of those watchful eyes that wants to know everything they do and about everything they have and tax on everything they can. Fcking hate how the system today works.
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August 31, 2017, 11:58:16 PM
#49

Everyone that is currently "investing" in BTC and other cryptos are the "crash test dummies" of the future.

Most major banks and many large/wealthy governments are coming up with their own cryptocurrencies.

Why have these entities not released them yet?  Because they are watching, waiting, and learning from all of the mistakes that other cryptos are making.

High fees.

Slow transactions.

Volatility.

Insecurity of wallets and exchanges.

Public distrust.

Reactions to media attention.

Criminality/money laundering.

Backed by fiat currency.

Lack of patent.

And on and on.

I've been reading this forum for days and I don't see this big picture addressed except in rare cases.  Almost everyone making predictions truly believes that BTC will be around for 50-100 years let alone 2-3.  Every day that goes by is just one more day that forces and entities with far bigger market caps than $100 billion are learning from all of the mistakes and problems plaguing the existing paradigm.

If one is to make a wise investment, they need to be aware of how quickly these markets can change...and literally overnight.  I don't expect much from the fanatics other than irrational reasons why my train of thought is flawed, but I do hope I see some of those individuals that are usually silent come out of the woodwork to offer solutions.  In other words, BTC can only survive if its community takes a mostly pragmatic point of view.  Otherwise it is doomed to be raped and discarded in a way that will leave most reliving their failure to act like that will leave permanent emotional scars like that of PTSD.




I get where you are going at op, but the thing is, only careless investors invest without understanding how markets work or the dact that these markets really does change fast. But i highly doubt anyone is stupid enough to let go of their money on silly things they hardly even know about. Plus, if banks do release a crypto currency of their own, then ok. It doesn't bother me at all. Because even if banks learn a lot on all the crypto currencies out there, people will still choose bitcoin because even with its flaws, it fills out the bigger flaws in this world. If you know what i mean.
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August 31, 2017, 11:51:37 PM
#48
I'd like to read what you are reading, to gain morw knowledge in bitcoin. What took them so long. It has been years since crypto has been made. Are there speculations, not yet made?

Anybody who has invested in crypto during the last couple of years will know that the market can move overnight. It is okay if banks and governments learn from the problems faced by Bitcoin. They will not be able to introduce a coin with Bitcoin's biggest advantage - decentralization.
They might be, oh they can. Yet that will not be as popular than bitcoin.
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August 31, 2017, 11:46:03 PM
#47
Both of us are using each other. We used their service to invest or to transact money. And also they used us to be their client. But they are more binificiary compared to us. The more the client is the more they will earn.

Maybe we became there sock puppet or shall we say a milking cow for them to get a huge benifits from us but there's a good factor about getting some money on each people leave in there state since government need some funds just to have money to used on there good platforms and projects. And I don't know how things work in the bank since the one I know there is we can make our money more safer but in return. And surely they can get more benefit to us and just don't think about it since its so normal in this society today.
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August 31, 2017, 11:38:06 PM
#46
Both of us are using each other. We used their service to invest or to transact money. And also they used us to be their client. But they are more binificiary compared to us. The more the client is the more they will earn.
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August 31, 2017, 11:30:23 PM
#45

Oh come on that no way is true. That is far fetched topic you have written. Bitcoin no matter what his many cons you give about it, it will always be best currency to trade and invest. Whatever you speak negative about it, but you will find the craziness and popularity of bitcoin growing daily and that's not gonna stop any time. Have you seen the price, how it keeps growing and growing and sometimes you see your wallet is all filled with money that you earned from the interest of bitcoin. There is lot more to study about bitcoin and government, banks they are just scared of the bitcoin economy growth.

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August 31, 2017, 08:40:49 PM
#44
yes, banks and governments have unlimited access to us so there is no secret. I think the government should immediately change this is the time for them to maintain privacy. bitcoin and cryptocurrency can be used to keep our secrets.
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August 31, 2017, 05:06:30 PM
#43
Bitcoin is a freedom of transaction that uses crypto. Of course this does not have kaitanya with the government or the bank. the bank is just a tool where we can transfer the bitcoin we have. And could someday the government will work with banks to create crypto for its customers. If this really happened then there is no freedom gained by customers like in bitcoin. And I'm not sure that people will switch from bitcoin, and follow the crypto made by the government. Maybe only a few people will use it.
People are found of bitcoins just because they provide complete freedom to the users and they have a full liberty of spending their money the way they want to without paying heavy taxes. Yeah! Even if the banks and governments create their own crypto currencies, no one is going to use them.
Crypto currencies of banks and governments will not be tax free like bitcoins and now even completely decentralized. We will be again charged with high transaction fees etc. Definitely no one is going to use them in the presences of bitcoins. That’s why banks hate bitcoins to bits.

I am not into that speculations right now and I don't think that banks now hate bitcoins, because the bank right now in my country accepted bitcoin payments transactions like those exchanging btc to fiat currency. The online wallet I had was been affiliated to the central bank of the country, and I believed that it's part of their business platform that allowing this type of transactions can make them earn the biggest profit ever. So never think of any idea about banks were using us, and in fact banks were most important for us in any exchanges of our bitcoin to become spendable in the country we live while bitcoin payments isn't yet available.
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August 31, 2017, 04:38:26 PM
#42
Bitcoin is a freedom of transaction that uses crypto. Of course this does not have kaitanya with the government or the bank. the bank is just a tool where we can transfer the bitcoin we have. And could someday the government will work with banks to create crypto for its customers. If this really happened then there is no freedom gained by customers like in bitcoin. And I'm not sure that people will switch from bitcoin, and follow the crypto made by the government. Maybe only a few people will use it.
People are found of bitcoins just because they provide complete freedom to the users and they have a full liberty of spending their money the way they want to without paying heavy taxes. Yeah! Even if the banks and governments create their own crypto currencies, no one is going to use them.
Crypto currencies of banks and governments will not be tax free like bitcoins and now even completely decentralized. We will be again charged with high transaction fees etc. Definitely no one is going to use them in the presences of bitcoins. That’s why banks hate bitcoins to bits.
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August 30, 2017, 07:10:51 AM
#41
Bitcoin is a freedom of transaction that uses crypto. Of course this does not have kaitanya with the government or the bank. the bank is just a tool where we can transfer the bitcoin we have. And could someday the government will work with banks to create crypto for its customers. If this really happened then there is no freedom gained by customers like in bitcoin. And I'm not sure that people will switch from bitcoin, and follow the crypto made by the government. Maybe only a few people will use it.
People are found of bitcoins just because they provide complete freedom to the users and they have a full liberty of spending their money the way they want to without paying heavy taxes. Yeah! Even if the banks and governments create their own crypto currencies, no one is going to use them.
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August 29, 2017, 09:21:17 AM
#40

Everyone that is currently "investing" in BTC and other cryptos are the "crash test dummies" of the future.

Most major banks and many large/wealthy governments are coming up with their own cryptocurrencies.

Why have these entities not released them yet?  Because they are watching, waiting, and learning from all of the mistakes that other cryptos are making.

High fees.

Slow transactions.

Volatility.

Insecurity of wallets and exchanges.

Public distrust.

Reactions to media attention.

Criminality/money laundering.

Backed by fiat currency.

Lack of patent.

And on and on.

I've been reading this forum for days and I don't see this big picture addressed except in rare cases.  Almost everyone making predictions truly believes that BTC will be around for 50-100 years let alone 2-3.  Every day that goes by is just one more day that forces and entities with far bigger market caps than $100 billion are learning from all of the mistakes and problems plaguing the existing paradigm.

If one is to make a wise investment, they need to be aware of how quickly these markets can change...and literally overnight.  I don't expect much from the fanatics other than irrational reasons why my train of thought is flawed, but I do hope I see some of those individuals that are usually silent come out of the woodwork to offer solutions.  In other words, BTC can only survive if its community takes a mostly pragmatic point of view.  Otherwise it is doomed to be raped and discarded in a way that will leave most reliving their failure to act like that will leave permanent emotional scars like that of PTSD.

Government and banks could not succeed if they launch cryptocurrencies; most of the people are using the bitcoins because it is decentralized digital currency. If government involved, then there will be authorities who will watch and monitor each and every activity related to that currency and it will also end the freedom of the cryptocurrencies.
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August 29, 2017, 08:56:59 AM
#39
We've been used by banks and government in ages now, we just accept it for we are govern by them. But that doesn't we just need to follow what they want us to know or to do. We have the freedom to choose from what or when we love bitcoin. Banks can't stop us but if thinks go wrong we can stop them.
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August 29, 2017, 08:50:32 AM
#38
I think that in the future banks will include bitcoins into their system or create a more sophisticated crypto currency. Crypto-currencies have made a serious competition to banks and they think what to do with them.
The spread of crypto currency is death to the banking system. Bitcoin destroyed all the foundations on which the banking system. If we do not destroy bitcoin, he will destroy the banks. This is a war and I'm on the side of bitcoin.

I'm afraid this isn't true. We still have to go through the banking system to buy stuff. And that is because merchants won't accept bitcoin without some sort of banking intermediary like bitpay which converts money immediately into fiat. And that in turn is because bitcoin fees are so high they can't accept bitcoin directly.

We are now further away from being independent of the banking system than we were back in 2015.
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August 29, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
#37
I think that in the future banks will include bitcoins into their system or create a more sophisticated crypto currency. Crypto-currencies have made a serious competition to banks and they think what to do with them.
The spread of crypto currency is death to the banking system. Bitcoin destroyed all the foundations on which the banking system. If we do not destroy bitcoin, he will destroy the banks. This is a war and I'm on the side of bitcoin.
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August 29, 2017, 08:32:49 AM
#36
I think that in the future banks will include bitcoins into their system or create a more sophisticated crypto currency. Crypto-currencies have made a serious competition to banks and they think what to do with them.
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August 29, 2017, 08:13:16 AM
#35
Anybody who has invested in crypto during the last couple of years will know that the market can move overnight. It is okay if banks and governments learn from the problems faced by Bitcoin. They will not be able to introduce a coin with Bitcoin's biggest advantage - decentralization.
Yes, they can copy anything but the decentralized thing would be the unique thing on which we can find on bitcoin knowing that government doesnt really like that thing. It might really have some flaws and it cant really be avoided since theres no perfect thing on this world but i dont think that government is just using us and they are keeping an eye on this crpytoworld. If they would decide to make their own coin then its their decision because the decision would be still on community itself.
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August 29, 2017, 07:58:42 AM
#34
those who invest in bitcoin knows the risk, its crypto without stable price but has great future thats why many bitcoiner believe in it.
Its still in its early stage, making changes and addressing eror but its certainly has future.
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